Are Truthers a liability?

[Revolution9]

WOW!!!!!!

Theres a buttload of posts in this thread for it being so new. Whats the argument all about anyway?

Argument??.. I thought it was a signal for another free for all Three Stooges styled cream pie throwing barroom brawl pier sixer kinda thread

Best
Randy

 

[SeanEdwards]

They probably are, but the legalize pot people probably are too. Then there's the white supremacist people, and tax protestors. All of them liabilities. What can you do?

The worst liability is probably Paul himself and his intollerable truths that cause the media to relentlessly try to ice him out.

 

[hard@work]

They probably are, but the legalize pot people probably are too. Then there's the white supremacist people, and tax protestors. All of them liabilities. What can you do?

protest the tax on pot supremacists?

Seriously though would help if people like yourself and Randy buried the hatchet and got down to discussing how we should get them investigations we all want going yeah?


Just sayin', again.

 

[max]

Argument??.. I thought it was a signal for another free for all Three Stooges styled cream pie throwing barroom brawl pier sixer kinda thread

Best
Randy

Like Clemenza said in The Godfather...these things need to happen once in a while...gets rid of the bad blood

 

[hard@work]

I think we need an off topic forum where we can get to know each other outside of our political views. It is easier to agree to disagree when we have that. Community depends on this type of conversation as well. What do I care what one person thinks about the tax code if I think he's the greatest person alive for understanding that the mexican food in San Diego is the best in the whole frikkin universe?

Instead, we bicker like children mistrusting each other over a sad event that launched our nation into an uneccessary war. Personally, I think it's time to talk about tacos.

 

[rich34]

No, so long as they don't push their own personal agendas in the name of Ron Paul. Lets get him elected first then worry about the government transparancy part.

 

[Geronimo]

Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.

Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?

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IMHO the New World Order isn't nonsense. The average Joe might not be too receptive to the notion, but the truth of the matter is that the New World Order is well in motion. Not that I'm an advocate for the NWO, but when you know more about the NWO, and it's agenda, you know what to look for, and you'll be able to see signs of it just about everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Thanks to the internet, the agenda of the NWO isn't a the great secret that it once was.

The Skull and Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, and all that stuff do exist, and like it or not, those scum bags are rapidly taking over.

 

[Jojo]

In all the perhaps hundreds of Ron Paul videos I've watched, I've never seen any Ron Paul supporters that seemed like "raving lunatics"or "nuts".
Where does this concern that "truthers" might be a liability come from? From Michelle Malkin and O'Reilly? Get over it already. It's getting old.

 

[AFTFNJ]

NWO Does not exist huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Ron Paul on NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DpKKSmaa8

Also the average American thinks 9/11 truthers are nut jobs because there is a massive psy ops campaigns by the government / MSM to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
110+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
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WAKE UP!!!

I did post that before...& watch RP on NWO too...

 

[V-rod]

The problem with many truthers is that many of them believe the NWO people to be some secret powerful cabal willing to commit terrorist acts to further their goals.

Intelligent people like Ron Paul label the New World Order as a state of mind of many neo-cons and liberals who want to move to a unified global government as soon as possible.

There is a difference between the two!

 

[The Good Doctor]

No they are just as passionate as Ron Paulers. And I heard the truth from Alex Jones - I would not be here if it wasn't for Alex Jones. I knew of Ron Paul long before he announced his candidacy - through Alex Jones.

Alex Jones is partially responsible for the Ron Paul movement.

Truthers use the same debate tactics that Ron Paulers use to convince others of their position.

We all question bullshit.

If you want to exclude or say that Truthers are not worthwhile to the cause you are sadly wrong and are missing the point of Ron Paul's message of unity.

Why does Alex say to copy his DVD's and give them away then? He knows not everyone can afford them. I have bought every one of his films sans the last one. Each one has valuable information that everyone here should hear.

Everything he speaks of is documented. The man is a walking encyclopedia. If you did what he did and knew as much as him you might start getting a little crazy when the dots get connected.

Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.

Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?

Yes the average American has some questions about 9/11, but I also think that the average American views that the "9/11 was an inside job" truthers as nut jobs.

I also think that if Paul were to get the nomination, he should stop giving interviews with people like Alex Jones. Jones, while probably sincere, is also a business man making money off of Truther's fears.... It really isn't a whole lot different than Giuliani being a 9/11 profiteer


I personally share Ron Paul's official position on 9/11.

 

[The Good Doctor]

Follow the money on the "puts' in the stock market against the airlines and businesses in the WTC and you will find your answers. Why haven't they done this yet?

Why haven't they released a full video of the "plane" that hit the Pentagon? There are literally hundreds of video cameras in that area.

One more person agreeing that the 911 Truth evidence is refutable. So much of the evidence is hokey at best. There is some stuff that seems suspicious, but nothing incriminating. The sad part is even if there is some truth to some of it, it is blanketed with all this other crap that is laughable.

Now, as for Ron Paul, the 911 Truther movement does scare people away. I know because I know people when asked about Ron Paul have responded that he is one of those "tin foil hat guys who think 9/11 was an inside job". I doubt he got that label on his own..

FWIW and I am sure you truthers will like this: some Lebanese and Palestinian acquaintances last night got very offensive with me about how muslims were blamed for 9/11 and they too think it was an inside job..

 

[ape]

Mike told me they were yelling 9/11 truth loud enough so everyone can hear. Why are the truthers making this a 9/11 truth campaign? Yes, if they keep this shit up they are a liability. Not very smart IMO.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Mike told me they were yelling 9/11 truth loud enough so everyone can hear. Why are the truthers making this a 9/11 truth campaign? Yes, if they keep this shit up they are a liability. Not very smart IMO.

Are you talking about at the Ft. Worth rally?

 

[ape]

Are you talking about at the Ft. Worth rally?

quickmike told me this:

Oh they yelled 911 truth nice and loud so everyone could hear it. I wonder how many delegates that were undecided showed up to listen to Ron Paul speak and were turned off? Hard to say for sure, but if I was one of those people I might have second thoughts about casting my vote for Ron, especially if I didnt know much about him. Its different when you know Rons stance on the subject, but if you dont, you might get the wrong idea about him.

Oh well, its a free country so you cant stop someone from possibly turning off potential supporters. Maybe thats what they wanted all along, who knows.

it's on this thread: http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=15115&page=7


Were they chanting it?

 

[The Good Doctor]

Well these people could be infilitrators. I would gather that Truthers know not to bring this agenda to a Ron Paul event. Their not stupid.

Mike told me they were yelling 9/11 truth loud enough so everyone can hear. Why are the truthers making this a 9/11 truth campaign? Yes, if they keep this shit up they are a liability. Not very smart IMO.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Phew, and I read the whole thread.

The points were mostly all made that I wanted to make, except these.

My wife and I, two "truthers", beyond any shadow of doubt.

You know what?

We drop the topic in unknown territory, when trying to spread the message of Ron Paul.

We both realize that the MSM and TPTB would just love to tag the "9/11 kook krowd" label on Dr. Paul and by G-d, no matter how strongly we feel about that issue, we are NOT going to give the Hannity's and O'Reilly's of the world that ammunition.

Most "truthers", Alex Jones included, act the same way. As many times as he has been on the show, and Dr. Paul knows that just being on the show is enough to make the neocons screech, and he doesn't press the issue, sticking to more general government corruption and war issues.

So "cool off" non-truthers, we'll settle all this after Dr. Paul wins.

Right now, you need us and we need you and the good doctor needs every single one of us.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That's fine, anti federalist. Just please watch your own.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That's fine, anti federalist. Just please watch your own.

If by that you mean fellow travelers in the 9/11 truth movement, I am watching.

I made the point to a small group just tonight.

 

[cjhowe]

The problem with many truthers is that many of them believe the NWO people to be some secret powerful cabal willing to commit terrorist acts to further their goals.

Intelligent people like Ron Paul label the New World Order as a state of mind of many neo-cons and liberals who want to move to a unified global government as soon as possible.

There is a difference between the two!

Exactly. Alex Jones has propagated this cloak and dagger vision of the new world order when in reality the new world order is what Dinesh D'Souza discussed in his debate with Ron Paul at Freedom Fest. The vision that all men are created equal and their liberties should be protected, that these liberties are not uniquely American. This is a noble vision, to be sure, which is why you have so many smart and influential people in organizations like the CFR and those pushing for a government where the U.N. is able to pursue its peace keeping mandate. However, as noble as this vision is, there is a fatal flaw. Man cannot create freedom. Man cannot create liberty. Man can only protect it or destroy it.

When we look at another nation and determine that they aren't recognizing the unalienable rights of its citizens, we fail to recognize that as hellish as something may look to us, certain liberties are indeed being protected. When we go in those nations with force to liberate people, all we do is destroy the liberties that were being protected. We don't create any liberties, we don't posses the capabilities to create liberty.

Since we cannot create liberty, all we can do is recognize where we can protect liberty. The easiest place to recognize where we can protect liberty is at our borders, where we can assert our sovereignty. When we can protect within our borders all freedoms and all liberties of those within it, a by-product of that will be enormous prosperity. A prosperity that other nations will not be able to ignore. Leaders of those nations will recognize that they too can achieve prosperity when they cease to destroy the liberties within their sovereign border.

This is why sovereignty is important and respecting other's sovereignty is important. If you wish to delusion yourself into the cloak and dagger view of the world or you wish to delusion yourself into believing that you are able to manufacture freedom and liberty, there will be no change. There will be no improvement.