Are Truthers a liability?

[MikeKey.com]

We all need to support Ron Paul. Because all of us support this nations founding ideals, the CONSITIUTION

 

[ghemminger]

We all need to support Ron Paul. Because all of us support this nations founding ideals, the CONSITIUTION

Stop arguing and just do something were all in this together!

 

[CJP]

We should be able to agree that it's counterproductive to inject agendas that contradict Ron Paul's own beliefs. Counterproductive to electing Ron Paul, that is. If their real agenda is something else, then the actions of the parasites will speak for where they really stand.

Easy, tiger. Congressman Paul himself goes on Alex Jones's show all the time (most recently earlier this week) and Jesse Benton (Paul's press secretary) was on today. So the "parasitism" evidently goes all the way to the top if we're using strokes that broad.

Touche! Is RP a parasite on the truthers? Hahaha! Interesting.

I know Ron and Alex are friends, but I think he's opening up a box of ammo for his opponents by being on that show. So let's stop "parasitism" all the way 'round before we experience "blowback".

Seriously, we all need to evaluate our actions honestly and ask ourselves if we're (a) advancing the cause or (b) glomming onto it for some other purpose. If (b), then continue supporting Ron Paul and your other agenda, just please do it separately. Just my $.02.

 

[paulitics]

personal observation:

The number of divisive treads made by "nontruthers" far outweigh those who call themselves truthers. This has been true for a long time and am reminded of this almost every day.

 

[ghemminger]

personal observation:

The number of divisive treads made by "nontruthers" far outweigh those who call themselves truthers. This has been true for a long time and am reminded of this almost every day.

Neutrualize a truther = agree with said truther

 

[trispear]

Truthers are a liability when they push their beliefs using Ron Paul's name or alongside Ron Paul.

Please leave the non-RP agendas at home and for another, different rally.

 

[ghemminger]

Truthers are a liability when they push their beliefs using Ron Paul's name or alongside Ron Paul.

Please leave the non-RP agendas at home and for another, different rally.

This is the source of the conflict - and I aggree - just act like you sympathize with them more and they wouldn't get all addamant about the re beliefs

 

[libertarian4321]

If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.

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The important thing is to NOT alienate voters. I don't care how strong your belief in "truth" or "libertarianism" or whatever is, if you come off as a raving lunatic, you will have FAILED your mission, no matter how "right" you think you are.

If you get in someones face, yelling and spitting, I GUARANTEE you will create a voter who won't even consider Ron Paul as a candidate.

When talking to a potential Ron Paul voter, the key is to ADDRESS THAT VOTERS CONCERNS as best you can. As an example, if you are at an anti war rally, don't start ranting about 9-11 Truth or excessive taxation, talk about what those folks are mostly likely to be receptive too- ending the war.

If you are at a strippers convention, don't rant about 9-11 truth/taxation, talk about how Ron Paul is the candidate most likely to let them continue their profession without interference.

Conversely, if you are at a 9-11 truth meetup, feel free to discuss 9-11 truth all day.

If you are at a libertarian meeting, open up the tax issue.

Tailor your discussion to your audience. Its not about what YOUR favorite issue is, its about what THEIR favorite issue is. And don't rant or get in people's faces if they disagree with you. "Winning the argument" isn't the point here folks (and, btw, if you have to "get in someone's face", you will NEVER convince them).

The important thing is to get Ron Paul elected first.

I'll be at the Texas straw poll this weekend- I'll wander over to the peace rally nearby at some point during the day. If someone at that rally asks "who is ron paul", I guarantee "9-11 truth" "high taxes" or "CFR" won't be the topic I will be discussing- I'll be talking about how President Paul will BRING THE TROOPS HOME!

 

[Colleen]

If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.


If you insist on burying your head in the sand about 9/11, thats your right. But where do you get off labeling us as "nuts" when I guaran-damn-tee you that you havent done any research into the matter yourself.

has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!


try and refute this... www.911truthvirus.com

I do agree that there needs to be - as Ron Paul wishes - an independent inquiry into this whole mess. One thing I love about our Ron...he has the guts to speak the courage of his convictions. I love him for this. I seek to emulate him and this - in my view - includes free speech.

And no one in the msm has done anything other than a hack-job on sorting out the inconsistencies of this story. Especially building 7. But we do need to remember who the MSM actually is, lest we forget:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php

And I do agree with your assertion that Ron Paul is being intentionally censored. It is beyond obvious, to me.

 

[ghemminger]

The important thing is to NOT alienate voters. I don't care how strong your belief in "truth" or "libertarianism" or whatever is, if you come off as a raving lunatic, you will have FAILED your mission, no matter how "right" you think you are.

If you get in someones face, yelling and spitting, I GUARANTEE you will create a voter who won't even consider Ron Paul as a candidate.

When talking to a potential Ron Paul voter, the key is to ADDRESS THAT VOTERS CONCERNS as best you can. As an example, if you are at an anti war rally, don't start ranting about 9-11 Truth or excessive taxation, talk about what those folks are mostly likely to be receptive too- ending the war.

If you are at a strippers convention, don't rant about 9-11 truth/taxation, talk about how Ron Paul is the candidate most likely to let them continue their profession without interference.

Conversely, if you are at a 9-11 truth meetup, feel free to discuss 9-11 truth all day.

If you are at a libertarian meeting, open up the tax issue.

Tailor your discussion to your audience. Its not about what YOUR favorite issue is, its about what THEIR favorite issue is. And don't rant or get in people's faces if they disagree with you. "Winning the argument" isn't the point here folks (and, btw, if you have to "get in someone's face", you will NEVER convince them).

The important thing is to get Ron Paul elected first.

I aggree!

 

[mdh]

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR! Asked and answered. Over and over again. I protest this attempt to start another truther war.

 

[ghemminger]

yes - Doth too protest

 

[hard@work]

The important thing is to NOT alienate voters. I don't care how strong your belief in "truth" or "libertarianism" or whatever is, if you come off as a raving lunatic, you will have FAILED your mission, no matter how "right" you think you are.

Hey, I'm an enemy operative according to some (which I accuse of the same).


coo coo!

 

[CJP]

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR! Asked and answered. Over and over again. I protest this attempt to start another truther war.

Maybe we need a FAQ for this forum that includes mention of such battles that have already been fought to a stalemate.

I'd also like to put in a plug for the idea that Hot Topics not show up on the main New Posts link. That should help the truthers and non-truthers stay out of each others' hair.

 

[Shink]

everyone stop asking about liabilities

POST OF THE DECADE.

 

[max]

It is refutable, its been done multiple times by legitimate sources. And if 8 years studying engineering and construction isn't enough research id like to know where you get your facts.

(9/11 truth has NEVER been refuted, unless you consider the hit and run, straw man , pot shots of government/MSM "experts" to be legitimate refutatation.

It is interesting to note that the "experts" who defend the Bin Laden fairy tale have REFUSED...time and time again to debate the physicists, scholars, engineers, intelliegnce people etc who are 9/11 truthers.

I wish that those of you who call us "nuts" would actually dedicate some time to researching the facts before you ridicule us. But before you do any research, you need to understand that the biggest barrioer to understanding the truth is not intellectual...it is PSYCHOLOGICAL.

Read the allegory of the cave by Plato...then study 911truthvirus.com in depth...

take small bites....it took me 2 years to deprogram myself. But if u stick with it, I promise that the truth will eventually hit you right between the eyes.

And though I agree that 9/11 activities should not be directly linked with Ron paul campaigning...keep in mind that once a person is turned on to 9/11 truth...HE AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES A RON PAUL SUPPORTER because he understand that the same forces who are blacklisting RP are the ones who did 9/11

These bastards murdered 3000 Americans in order to get us into war, set up the PATRIOT Act and Homeland security.

 

[Revolution9]

They have the right to believe whatever they want. But it is they that got Paul associated with the "tin foil hat", not the moderate republicans, rational libertarians and convert dems.

Alright drooldonkey. I was awaiting your tinfoil hat remark that places you squarely in the camp of the brainwashed collectivists wh have the bizzarre notion that the truth is something to slander and those who research and draw comclusions from such are to be shunned. Frankly..we don't heed low IQ'ed, paranoia projecting flamewar firing misfits walltzing insensibly through the campaign stirring up antagonism.

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That being said.. go piss up a rope shortstop.

Randy

 

[lost_in_samoa]

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[Revolution9]

Wake up the Sheeple all you want. It is your right. But just don't mix that agenda with Paul's.

STFU control freak..

Randy

 

[Revolution9]

Amen. Folks, this is not a divisive sentiment.

Yer right. It is a statement by a control freaking drooldonkey who deems themselves more intelligent than everybody but s afraid of the truth.

Randy