AP: Ted Cruz now mathematically eliminated from clinching GOP nomination

[TheUglyTruth]

there won't be a contested convention you fools. Trump can easily get to 1100 pledged delegates in the remaining contests, then get the rest he needs from the unpledged pool for a win on the first ballot.

Any talk of a contested convention at this point is a pipe dream, delusional, denial.

If he only gets 1100 he doesn't clinch the nomination on the first ballot.

 

[nikcers]

there won't be a contested convention you fools. Trump can easily get to 1100 pledged delegates in the remaining contests, then get the rest he needs from the unpledged pool for a win on the first ballot.

Any talk of a contested convention at this point is a pipe dream, delusional, denial.

They've never changed the rules right before the convention counts the delegates right?

 

[nikcers]

If he only gets 1100 he doesn't clinch the nomination on the first ballot.

Rand Paul: 'You Realize' the Convention Rules 'Haven't Been Written Yet'

 

[TheUglyTruth]

Rand Paul: 'You Realize' the Convention Rules 'Haven't Been Written Yet'

Rand is wrong. The convention is governed by the rules written at the 2012 RNC. They can, however, be changed by the rules committee once the convention opens.

 

[goldwater's ghost]

This isn't saying anything more then the subject of the thread - that Cruz can't clinch the nomination or win on the first ballot. There is no reason he would win on the second - he isn't that well liked - but that isn't the thread.

Nor is it saying anything new about a brokered convention. Although it may come as a surprise to hard core cruz supporters, most normal voters don't want a brokered convention. If that is the only way Cruz can possibly win, many people will not like the risk. Furthermore - anyone who only wants a brokered convention or are just never trump now have an incentive to vote against Cruz and for Kasich. They have more power at the convention that way.

Face it, Cruz is toast.

you have a poster of trump over your bed dont you. careful...it'll make your hands turn orange and tiny. cruz hasnt had a realistic chance of getting the 1200 plus delegates on round one since super tuesday. that has never been his strategy. he's using the ron paul strategy of 2012 all the way to the convention. the difference is its working and all because of your guy

 

[spudea]

If he only gets 1100 he doesn't clinch the nomination on the first ballot.

That's not what I said. DO you even know what unbound delegates are?

 

[TheUglyTruth]

That's not what I said. DO you even know what unbound delegates are?

Are they delegates that aren't bound?

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

you have a poster of trump over your bed dont you

I'm not for Trump. But I am now thoroughly #NeverCruz.

I've seen reporters who have never gotten angry in their life angry at this man for evading, spinning and lying about this question as well as many others. That alone, LACK OF ANY ABILITY TO BE TRUTHFUL would make me against him. I am thoroughly convinced now. I detest the man. I detest his lying, and his phony anti-dildo Christianity. I despise everything about him!

But there are many other reasons I could never support Cruz. And he isn't even eligible and he knows it.

Put me down as #nevercruz now.

 

[goldwater's ghost]

Are they delegates that aren't bound?

 

[nikcers]

Rand is wrong. The convention is governed by the rules written at the 2012 RNC. They can, however, be changed by the rules committee once the convention opens.

Source? I've seen people say that 2012 rules only counted during 2012 and even the Ron Paul rule wasn't in play this year, and before Rand said this I read multiple articles saying that they can and are planning on changing the 2016 rules. He could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Ron Paul campaign had several lawyers that were working for them in 2012, and Rand probably is the best source we have on this kind of information because he was at the last contested convention, this is why they keep having Ron Paul on the MSM even though he isn't even running.

 

[TheUglyTruth]

Source? I've seen people say that 2012 rules only counted during 2012 and even the Ron Paul rule wasn't in play this year, and before Rand said this I read multiple articles saying that they can and are planning on changing the 2016 rules. He could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Ron Paul campaign had several lawyers that were working for them in 2012, and Rand probably is the best source we have on this kind of information because he was at the last contested convention, this is why they keep having Ron Paul on the MSM even though he isn't even running.

The rules set by the 2012 Convention are still in force and can only be changed by the Rules Committee at the 2016 RNC. If they don't change anything, then the 2012 rules stand.

 

[nikcers]

The rules set by the 2012 Convention are still in force and can only be changed by the Rules Committee at the 2016 RNC. If they don't change anything, then the 2012 rules stand.

I was just wanting one source, I can give you plenty of sources that state differently but I wanted to know where you get your information from specifically.

 

[TheUglyTruth]

I was just wanting one source, I can give you plenty of sources that state differently but I wanted to know where you get your information from specifically.

Look it up on ballotpedia.

 

[nikcers]

I can't find the part where Rand is wrong, can I have a link please? https://ballotpedia.org/RNC_Rules_Committee,_2016

Look it up on ballotpedia.

What is the Rules Committee and what does it do?

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[TD]The Rules Committee has the power to create rules that could shape the outcome of the convention in July. It could, for example, remove or modify Rule 40(b), which requires candidates for the Republican nomination for president be able to demonstrate the support of a plurality of delegates from at least five individual states in order to be considered for the Republication nomination for president. It could also modify rules that bind delegates to specific candidates.[/TD]
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The committee formally begins its deliberations the week before the convention begins. On the first day of the convention, it proposes a rules package to the convention’s delegates, who, in turn, are responsible for approving the proposed rules by a majority vote The rules that the committee crafts apply specifically to that year’s convention.

 

[goldwater's ghost]

I'm not for Trump. But I am now thoroughly #NeverCruz.

I've seen reporters who have never gotten angry in their life angry at this man for evading, spinning and lying about this question as well as many others. That alone, LACK OF ANY ABILITY TO BE TRUTHFUL would make me against him. I am thoroughly convinced now. I detest the man. I detest his lying, and his phony anti-dildo Christianity. I despise everything about him!

But there are many other reasons I could never support Cruz. And he isn't even eligible and he knows it.

Put me down as #nevercruz now.

so you're pro dildo? out of all the positions thats the one you choose? i understand. you hate the guy. you get emotional and angry and even though you have a hundred reasons to be against the guy only a couple pop up in your head because of the hatred. personally i like the guy. he was my second choice after rand. the establishment hated him more than rand until he became the establishment's last hope which i find hysterical and utterly beautiful. the guy is for ending the IRS, taking us back to the gold standard, ending the federal ban on marijuana and leaving it to the states to decide, he wants a federal amendment to allow states to decide on gay marriage. i mean hell, he campaigned in iowa telling them he was against ethanol subsidies. that takes balls. he made money as a teenager giving speeches on von mises and hayek.

i disagree with him on his hyper pro israel policy and am not enthusiastic about spending another decade killing arabs but sometimes we cant get everything we want and hhe is against nation building. i'm willing to trade those if he gets me a balanced budget and starts to eliminate some of our debt

 

[younglibertarian]

Remember that foreign policy and economics go hand in hand. These wars are a major cause of debt.

 

[goldwater's ghost]

Remember that foreign policy and economics go hand in hand. These wars are a major cause of debt.

oh i agree. but before his presidential run, he was much closer to rand paul. he was against nation building. he wanted a strong defense but would spend on the military only after we fixed the budget. personally i think his instincts are non interventionist. I think the difference between him and rand is rand stood by his ideals and cruz saw the gop base as pro intervnetionist and gave them what they wanted to hear. how he would be in office is unclear to me other than he will be psychotically pro israel which i disagree with

 

[eleganz]

Source? I've seen people say that 2012 rules only counted during 2012 and even the Ron Paul rule wasn't in play this year, and before Rand said this I read multiple articles saying that they can and are planning on changing the 2016 rules. He could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Ron Paul campaign had several lawyers that were working for them in 2012, and Rand probably is the best source we have on this kind of information because he was at the last contested convention, this is why they keep having Ron Paul on the MSM even though he isn't even running.

Nah that guy is wrong.

The rules will be changed at this year's RNC just like they were changed as the RNC 2012 was commencing. Rand was right.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I've gone back and forth on this.

On the one hand, the best way to destroy the Trump "movement" is to let him win the nomination and then get destroyed by Hillary.

...as will happen, sure as the day is long.

On the other hand, this chimp is really going to be the GOP nominee?

He'll destroy he party as an instrument for, well, anything, including libertarian activity, for many years.

I'm at a loss.

So, by default, my position will be whatever most irritates the Trumpanzees.

Therefore, Go Cruz.

Let's have a brokered convention, with Trump losing in public due to his own electoral incompetence re delegate selection.

Let him be revealed for the imbecile he is.

...Oh, and if anyone challenges the logic of this plan, my retort shall be: "burn it all down," or sumpin.

 

[silverhandorder]

Insulting shows the shallowness of your position.