Anyone voting for McCain?
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torchbearer
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Hell no.
I don't understand RP folks voting for her. She is a neocon Christian EXTREMIST. Having someone who thinks this war is a Holy War is bad enough. Add to that someone who thinks the US needs to be cleansed of demons? Have you been saved? Do you want the govt to ensure you have been?
What is the modern version of the Salem witch trials?
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I'm for the liberty movement. It's a good idea to continue and see if things get better in 2012. For now, I support Palin. That doesn't mean I wont continue to work for liberty. Ron Paul said it will take a long time and I believe him. I really like G. Edward Griffin's Freedom Force. I believe that these organizations, if they truly want to spread the message, will not demand money from the activists other than donations and maybe fundraisers. They should be GIVING the activists the needed tools to do this very important work. If you have to spend money for materials...I believe they are in it for money...not for the mission. I dislike that. Tones
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What would Jesus do Tones? Would Jesus vote for an angry, angry dude and his cute sidekick who are both all about war for pipelines, oil, etc. without any regard for human life? Jesus probably wouldn't vote at all, except maybe for Paul.
Isn't Jesus supposed to be the model in Christianity? All of this stuff about horsemen, apocalypse, tribulation, rapture, etc. makes absolutely no sense in light of the fact that people who call themselves Christians are often not at all like Christ. I just don't get it.
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I think your dad is putting a little too much faith on a elected McCain to get Wall Street back on track. But it does have a ring of truth.
I'm voting for Mccain, and I am not intimated by the people here when I admit that. I disagree with many of McCain's stances but I believe he will be solid on what he stated, (including psuedo amnesty, ugh!). I was on the fence on voting for McCain, and holding my nose on election day, but choosing Palin moved me to wanting to vote now.
I will remain a Republican and a conservative, and work within the party to address issues important to constitutional limited government conservatism.
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I stopped trying to reconcile the prince of peace with pro-war christians a long time ago.
Hmmm.. all good stuff and interesting. and entertaining...lol
did anyone see this? How a vote for baldwin (or 3rd party) would likely take votes away from Obama....and not McCain (if you are mccain supporter- may be of interest)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtxRU2QXJ8Q&NR=1
did anyone see this? How a vote for baldwin (or 3rd party) would likely take votes away from Obama....and not McCain (if you are mccain supporter- may be of interest)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtxRU2QXJ8Q&NR=1
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Probably wise. You'd think that they, along with the Buddhists, would be the most anti-war individuals. But then again, I guess it wouldn't be as big as it is today without all the warmongering/crusades.
Shame.
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Hard to believe when you are talking about supporting "the beast system"
"By their fruits ye shall know them"
Mat 7:15-20
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Here is an example of some of the early, pro-crusade/human butchering propaganda the church put out... its called Christ Pantocrator. (remember, only clergy could read, so Icon/pictures were for mass communication)
I call it bi-polar Jesus.
Here is what you do. Take a sheet of paper, and cover half of the picture. Where as, the paper cuts the figure of Jesus in half, and you only see one half of his body.
On the left side, is peace loving, caring Jesus.
On the right side is angry waring Jesus.
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Amy I certainly understand your point. Jesus woudln't join a political party...that's for sure. Humans with greedy intentions use religion for their own agenda. All religions it seems like. If we really followed Jesus ...we wouldn't be concerned so much with the physical world...we would be concerned with the spiritual world. I listen to a minister , Arnold Murray, Shepherds Chapel. That is who I do my bible study with. I don't go to any building...I order his cd's. He breaks scripture down to the root words. Most christians attend churches and listen to some bible thumper spout his or her personal opinion on what scripture says...and they quote very little of Gods word...it's all about them. This is what confuses Christians. These are called false prophets. Hagee , Faldwell, Robertson are PRIME examples of people who use religion for an agenda. Their agenda is zionism. They are EVIL. If you truly want to understand scripture...if you go to www.shepherdschapel.org you can send for Arnold Murray's cd "The Mark of the Beast" for free, no shipping etc. I think you will find it interesting. He is the ONLY minister I have ever heard talk about the "beast with 7 heads" being a political system, New World Order, and the 7 heads are the 7 continents. Another great Christian source who speaks reality is Ted Pike. www.truthtellers.org There are 4 documentaries you can watch for free ...a lot of truth is there also. Tones
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not voting for either one, though I honestly believe that McCain is going to win this election; I've thought that since the day we found out who both of the nominees would be.
Can you guys help me out again? I posted my response... this is what he said back. Probobly not worth arguing but i think hes watching too much fox 5. LOL. any comments....?
"Well That's the main area of disagreement I have with RP. I don't agree with his isolationist ideas. Sure it worked between 1776 and 1812 when the Atlantic ocean separated us from Europe. It bought us time, as a floundering newborn nation to survive long enough to gain enough prosperity and military strength to be able to win a war with a major foreign power. But that's not going to work any longer. War is bad, it's expensive, it costs human lives. BUT, there are many many people around the world, who for a variety of reasons and beliefs want to get us. If they don't have the means to do that right now, sooner or later they will, just like 9/11. You're probably a little too young to remember what 9/11 did to the US economy, but it took a couple of years to recover. If you're going to talk dollars, I would say the war is a bargain compared to what another attach would do to the US economy. The fact that we haven't had another attach, and the fact that it's been 7 years without one, have restored the faith of the American people and the world in the US economy, military and government. Another successful attach would bring that into question and we might recover and the financial costs would be staggering. What if the next attach is an actual nuclear weapon? You're talking about 100,000's dead and a whole city destroyed and uninhabitable a couple of generations. is that worth the risk. Are we better off going to fight over there, not here. I don't know, it's a tough question. The cost of doing it is huge. But what is the cost if we don't? "
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"Well That's the main area of disagreement I have with RP. I don't agree with his isolationist ideas. Sure it worked between 1776 and 1812 when the Atlantic ocean separated us from Europe. It bought us time, as a floundering newborn nation to survive long enough to gain enough prosperity and military strength to be able to win a war with a major foreign power. But that's not going to work any longer. War is bad, it's expensive, it costs human lives. BUT, there are many many people around the world, who for a variety of reasons and beliefs want to get us. If they don't have the means to do that right now, sooner or later they will, just like 9/11. You're probably a little too young to remember what 9/11 did to the US economy, but it took a couple of years to recover. If you're going to talk dollars, I would say the war is a bargain compared to what another attach would do to the US economy. The fact that we haven't had another attach, and the fact that it's been 7 years without one, have restored the faith of the American people and the world in the US economy, military and government. Another successful attach would bring that into question and we might recover and the financial costs would be staggering. What if the next attach is an actual nuclear weapon? You're talking about 100,000's dead and a whole city destroyed and uninhabitable a couple of generations. is that worth the risk. Are we better off going to fight over there, not here. I don't know, it's a tough question. The cost of doing it is huge. But what is the cost if we don't? "
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With all due respect, you're actually going with the fascists over the socialists.
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Ask him why he thinks we were attacked on 9/11? And the Twin Towers were attacked for the first time in Feb 1993. Second time September 2001. More than 8 years apart. So either Clinton also did a good job keeping us safe, or Bush is just making noise.
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I hope you are putting away dried beans and rice then. Tones
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The only thing that can be done is to continue to elect decent, moral ( YES I SAID MORAL) individuals to office. Ron Paul did make comments at his rally about morality. We live in an immoral society...it is Babylon. Tones
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A) Christianity has no monopoly on morality. Its morals are arbitrary (lord's name in vain, sex, etc.), and never take into account actual cases of harm done to human beings
B) The biggest warmongering demographic in this country is Christian. Not all Christians are warmongers, obviously, but nearly all warmongers are Christians
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