Anyone else feed their dog REAL food?

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Dog health freedom!?
I don't know where to put this thread. :D

I was curious if anyone fed their dogs or cats real food?
I feed my dog 12 ounces of raw beef a day and 3 raw bones a week, I have been doing it for over a year and her health has greatly improved, she does not beg for food much anymore, has more energy and she is just happier.

A week after I started this was when all those dog food problems arose that caused dogs to die - was lucky timing.

Dog food companies fund and run all the veterinarian schools and teach that dog food is needed when it is not. I was scared to try raw food on my dog at first but am glad I did. Dog food is a total scam and its disgusting.

Anyone here familiar with the subject? I just can not imagine now feeding my dog little hard balls of nasty fillers and waste after I actually sat down and thought about it/researched it. Its unnatural and dangerous just like prepackaged human food is.

Thoughts?
 
Even left over cooked meat with bones are good. The bones keep their teeth clean.
My vet is a big proponent of raw food. We don't feed ours any (yet) but from what I understand you should never feed dogs cooked bones of any kind, but especially pork and chicken bones. Apparently the structure changes from the heat and causes the bones to splinter which can cause internal injury.
 
My first post, but an important topic to me...

PLEASE consult a veterinarian before feeding a raw diet.

Yes, it's true that most veterinarians are NOT proponents of raw diets, because to do it RIGHT is a LOT of work. You're right that there are issues with premade dog food, but not all of them are crap. And veterinarians, for the most part, recommend packaged foods because they have undergone food trials and are required to meet certain levels of nutrients (although those are pretty flimsy rules, they're rules nontheless). Packaged diets are also "balanced bite-for-bite" which means that every bite of food that your pet takes (or every meal) will be contain all the same nutrients in all the same ratios. For the OP, if all you're feeding is raw beef and a few raw bones a week I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that you are feeding your dog a balanced diet and your dog is likely going to be facing dangerous nutritional deficits.

Nutritional problems are especially insidious because they don't present right away. If you are a little off one week but correct the next, you'll be fine (which is true for most humans' diets). But if you're off week after week after week...it can still take a months (!) to show that your dog is deficient in one area or another.

And DON'T feed cooked bones of ANY kind - they are very likely to splinter and you'll either be spending a lot of money at the vet to fix your dog...or euthanizing.
 
Benefits of having a dog:

1. She eats all the gross parts of the chicken that I won't eat: organs, skin, fat, gristle, etc. (But I always cook them for her.)

2. She's an excellent pre-wash for the dishes prior to going into the dishwasher. And no, I don't think that's gross, think of all the water I save not rinsing!

3. Have some lunch meat or leftovers that you're sick of and won't eat before they go bad? My dog just can't get sick of that stuff--at least it won't go to waste.

4. Get a little out of control during the stir-fry and there's moo goo all over the floor? Senorita puppykins is glad to help with the clean-up.

Other than that, just water and regular dry dog-food. The only time I've ever fed her a special diet is when she had diarrhea when I first got her (stress-induced) and Hill's Science Diet cleared it right up (sensitive stomach formulation.) Now I just feed her cheap stuff. Let's face it, even expensive dog food is made out of the scraps of human food, why wouldn't I feed her my leftovers?
 
Given the choice between real food and dog food, most dogs will choose the real food.
Try to supplement the diet with yogurt. The live cultures will aid the dog's digestion, and the dairy is a complete food in itself. Also, minerals are very important. Here is a link to a company in Minneapolis that has a great mineral formula.

www.rescueanimalproducts.com
 
Given the choice between real food and dog food, most dogs will choose the real food.

Yes, but given the choice between McDonald's french fries and a salad, most kids will pick the french fries. Doesn't mean it's the best or most balanced health choice. Same thing with homemade or packaged raw diets. Just because it's what your dog "wants" to eat doesn't mean it's the most healthy or balanced choice.

With the recent push for "natural" or "raw" or "homemade" diets has come an increase in the number of animals with nutrient imbalances as well. You NEED do your research and you NEED to work in concert with a veterinarian.
 
MsD feeds raw meat and bones, PLUS she grinds up a ton of vegetables for them.
 
I can't give my dog bones or rawhide or anything normally indestructible to normal dogs. I gave her a ham bone once and came back to pile of bloody bone pieces only moments later. She loves them but she will not stop until she destroys whatever it is we give her. We decided its not a good idea to give her anything like that because she fully intends to swallow whatever it is you give her just as soon as she breaks it into a size she can swallow and that can lead to serious digestive tract problems.
It makes me wonder if this dog could survive unsupervised in a natural environment very long with eating habits like that. I don't think she would make it.
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I feed my dachshunds regular dry dog food, and give them baby carrots and/or cans of mixed vegetables as treats (they practically inhale those veggies!). Good puppies!!
 
Yes, but given the choice between McDonald's french fries and a salad, most kids will pick the french fries. Doesn't mean it's the best or most balanced health choice. Same thing with homemade or packaged raw diets. Just because it's what your dog "wants" to eat doesn't mean it's the most healthy or balanced choice.

I am afraid comparing children and dogs is a little off. Children have marketing and peer pressure telling them what they like. Dogs have instincts. It is dogs' job to figure out what is good for them, and they are remarkably good at it. Dogs in the wild do not eat corn, rice, barley, potato chip waste, etc. and do just fine on nothing but raw meat.

The malnutrition that would occur when feeding domestic dogs raw meat stems from the mineral deficiencies in the feedlot animals that provide the meat--as well as the organ damage from eating corn that inhibits the animal from building essential fatty acids. If the meat producing animals have access to all the proper nutrition, then their meat should be healthful as food. (Something to consider when shopping for human food as well as pet food).
 
I can't give my dog bones or rawhide or anything normally indestructible to normal dogs.

My two Dobermans each get two rawhide bones per day and have been getting them for the past four years. They eat them in around fifteen minutes and they have never had any kind of problems.
 
My sister has been feeding her greyhound "human food" for quite sometime now. Mainly pasta, chicken, and greens. Ever since she's moved off of bagged dog food her dog is totally different in a very good way! :)
 
Some packaged foods are better than others and honestly, like Amy said, I think the cheaper foods are just as good in many ways.

I have stopped buying Beneful (not that it's some great quality brand to begin with) because my dog acts crazy after she eats it-- very restless and disobedient, abnormally thirsty... stuff like that.
 
I am afraid comparing children and dogs is a little off. Children have marketing and peer pressure telling them what they like. Dogs have instincts. It is dogs' job to figure out what is good for them, and they are remarkably good at it. Dogs in the wild do not eat corn, rice, barley, potato chip waste, etc. and do just fine on nothing but raw meat.

The malnutrition that would occur when feeding domestic dogs raw meat stems from the mineral deficiencies in the feedlot animals that provide the meat--as well as the organ damage from eating corn that inhibits the animal from building essential fatty acids. If the meat producing animals have access to all the proper nutrition, then their meat should be healthful as food. (Something to consider when shopping for human food as well as pet food).

My dog doesn't have marketing, but I imagine he'd go for the french fries first too, rather than the dog food.

Your dog, however, is not in the wild. Nor have any of its ancestors for hundreds or hundreds of years been in the wild. I don't understand why raw food proponents want to go back to what's "natural" as far as feeding is concerned...and then still take their dog to the vet, let it live in their house, place a collar on it, teach it tricks, etc. None of those things are NATURAL...and yet you'd be neglectful if you skipped many of those things.

And if you're going for "natural"...why are you feeding chicken, turkey, beef, etc. from the supermarket? Even if it's grass-raised that's still hardly "natural".

I'm not saying people SHOULDN'T do it...they just need to check their reasons and their knowledge. Decide on a SET raw food diet (or 2 or 3 varieties that you want to rotate), make a large batch, take it to your vet and get it sent to the lab. Have it tested. See what nutrients are there and at what levels and see if it is a good fit for your dog and its lifestyle, activity, breed, age, sex, etc. Don't just read online that something's "natural" and start giving your dog chicken instead of a commercial diet. You love your pet after all, it's worth it to take the time to do it right.
 
My dogs have been on a sort of BARF diet for about 4 years now.

I feed them raw chicken necks a few times a week. Sometimes they get raw turkey necks (but the rottie does not seem to like those as much).

A few times a week, I feed them raw boneless pork trimmings, and raw beef shanks with the bone in. The girls dig the marrow out and chow down on that, then they gnaw on the bones for a while...

I feed a mix of raw ground beef and finely chopped mixed veggies every now and then.

A few times a week, they get canned salmon/canned mackeral/canned sardines with finely chopped mixed veggies. In that mix, I add some Dinovite.

The vet wants me to add glucosimine/chondroitin to their routine, as the dogs are 12 now and the rottie seems to have some aging joint issues. I've not started them on it as of yet.

The rottie currently has some kind of problem with her left front leg. We've looked for a bite wound (she WILL go after any kind of snake that she comes across). We couldn't see any sign of a bite, neither did the vet.

The vet gave me 5 days of an NSAID, and said that if it does not clear in the next 3 - 5 days, we will need xrays.

Oh, and the vet got on me for overfeeding (June has gained about 20lbs in the past 3 years), he said to cut down the amount I'm giving them and up their veggie intake...

LE is relentlessly kidding me about having ... porker puppies... :D
 
I don't understand why raw food proponents want to go back to what's "natural" as far as feeding is concerned...

In many cases, we have noticed that the manufactured food is contributing to health problems. We are studying from nature, a system that has, and continues to work unassisted by man. We recognize the arrogance in believing that man has a complete understanding of the many biological functions that make up a healthy being. We also understand that modern domesticated life is not "natural" for our pets, however when we study the natural processes, we try to learn the most comprehensive ways to help our pets adapt.

I can very much agree with your points about being careful with a people food diet, however I apparently still harbor more distrust for manufactured food than you do.
 
I can very much agree with your points about being careful with a people food diet, however I apparently still harbor more distrust for manufactured food than you do.

I distrust quite a bit of manufactured food, actually, but I tend to mistrust over eager and under educated pet owners far more. All it takes is 15 minutes for someone online to read about all the glories of "raw" food and no veterinarian in the world can talk them out of it. Clients barely manage to follow directions on a pill bottle for 14 days and modify treatment plans ALL THE TIME. I have no faith in just telling the whole public that "raw food is the best" and then leave them to manage their dog's nutrition independently for the duration of their dog's life. It's a scary situation and dogs can and DO get hurt.

Not to mention the human health risks. Salmonella is NOT a natural component of canine gut flora. Feeding your dog raw chicken introduces that and while dogs typically do not get sick from salmonella, they can pass it in their feces and now you have a human health risk.

You're right that there's a lot wrong with the manufactured dog food industry, but there is EQUAL OR MORE RISK in the current uneducation and miseducation the predominates the raw food movement. It puts both dogs and humans at risk.
 
My first post, but an important topic to me...

PLEASE consult a veterinarian before feeding a raw diet.

Yes, it's true that most veterinarians are NOT proponents of raw diets, because to do it RIGHT is a LOT of work. You're right that there are issues with premade dog food, but not all of them are crap. And veterinarians, for the most part, recommend packaged foods because they have undergone food trials and are required to meet certain levels of nutrients (although those are pretty flimsy rules, they're rules nontheless). Packaged diets are also "balanced bite-for-bite" which means that every bite of food that your pet takes (or every meal) will be contain all the same nutrients in all the same ratios. For the OP, if all you're feeding is raw beef and a few raw bones a week I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that you are feeding your dog a balanced diet and your dog is likely going to be facing dangerous nutritional deficits.

Nutritional problems are especially insidious because they don't present right away. If you are a little off one week but correct the next, you'll be fine (which is true for most humans' diets). But if you're off week after week after week...it can still take a months (!) to show that your dog is deficient in one area or another.

And DON'T feed cooked bones of ANY kind - they are very likely to splinter and you'll either be spending a lot of money at the vet to fix your dog...or euthanizing.

I want to clear some thing up. I feed her other things also for variety, she gets pork on occasion and I also will cook her chicken sometime (she won't eat raw chicken) I also feed some table scraps and give her homemade treats once in awhile.
It IS more work. I spent about a month researching it every day before I started doing it. I certainly do not suggest jumping into it.
As far as balanced diets go every dog is different just like every person is different. A pit bull and a miniature pincher with varying energy and activity levels levels need different things - also just naturally all dogs are different. I did trial and error with my dog until I found out what she liked to eat, how much kept her weight steady and I paid attention to her poop to make sure it was solid.

As for it being natural - dogs digestive systems in the wild compared to dogs digestive systems that have been domesticated are the same. Dog food is a very new idea, only in the last 50 years or so has it been commonplace so dogs, even in captivity, have been eating raw and cooked diets for most of the time.
Their digestive system did not change or evolve in 50 years.
For instance, compare our digestive system with wild tribal people, they are the same. I want to say its not natural for humans to go to the doctor but it makes us live longer. It is natural for us to eat organic and raw foods (salads, fruits) these also make us live longer. We can improve on systems but whats good for us never changes.


If people do not want to do this feeding better made dog food is a good idea.
Almost every name brand is crap no matter how well it is marketed. Beneful is one of the worst for pretending to be top quality while being crap. (I always compare good marketing to how Budweiser calls itself the King of Beers and gets away with it :rolleyes: )
Look online for good brands and look for reviews. You can even make your own kibble that will last a long time.

I want to stress again. DO NOT jump into anything like this without research, you actually can hurt your dog.
Its my opinion that dogs do not need vegetables but some people think they do. Since there is no school or scientists that test these things it up to you to make the choice. Dogs can survive on almost any type of food, they are omnivores and can even live on a vegetarian diet although this is not recommended at all.
Cats, however, MUST have meat or they will die in no time. That is why cat food is more expensive.

Benefits I have noticed after switching: she gets fleas less often, she is better hydrated, her fur is softer, she begs for food less, she is not hungry as often, she has lost weight (she was overweight before), she has more energy, she seems happier, her mouth and teeth look much healthier and brighter, her breath no longer stinks, she has less waste coming out of her, her arthritis does not bother her as often + other things.
She is 10 years old.

How I prepare is a weigh out the ounces on a postal scale, stick them in plastic zip lock bags, put them all in the freezer. Everyday I take one and put it in the refrigerator to thaw out for the next day while giving her the already thawed one from the day before. Very easy if you buy for a few weeks at a time. I only buy beef that is under $2 a lb. She is old and picky and will not eat as much cheaper meat like chicken..remedy for hat would have been starting the diet at a young age.
 
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