Any other carnivores still here?

[fisharmor]

It is highly restrictive to eat only animal products. But I sincerely doubt this practice cannot sustain humans. If animal products provide all essential nutrients, then how does one go about concluding otherwise?

TBH I do have some unanswered questions. Stuff like 'why do I now have to wake up and pee four times in a night'.
This topic neatly matches one of my universal axioms in life: There is never intermediate documentation.
If we had something between "just eat ground beef and eggs all the time" and "here are the long term studies that are all over the map on this" that would be nice. Like, I had to figure out for myself why I was so pissed on days 3-4. I had to put the pieces together and figure out what symptoms were getting handled by the electrolyte drinks everyone was recommending.
Maybe after a year or so I'll think about creating the intermediate documentation on this. I used to look down on communications majors until I realized how hopelessly terrible most people are at conveying important information. This is certainly no exception, and that's probably why people get so worked up about it.

 

[buenijo]

It takes several weeks, and often several months for most to adapt to a carnivore diet. The most common problems I am aware of are electrolyte imbalances leading to fatigue, headaches, and cramps. The best advice is to salt your food heavily with SEA SALT. Magnesium Citrate is also useful. Incidentally, I understand the loss of electrolytes are associated with a loss of water previously retained in the body (most of it lost with urination - hence, peeing multiple times during the night). It's all part of adaptation. Also, many experience soft stools or constipation. This is normally resolved in a few weeks.

 

[buenijo]

I doubt that tallow is any better for you than seed oils. They ought to just switch to baked potatoes, or air-fry them.

What reason do you have to doubt this? After all, humans have been consuming animal fats for millenia.

"For a modern disease to be related to an old-fashioned food is one of the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard". Dr. Thomas Cleave

 

[Suzu]

humans have been consuming animal fats for millenia.

Fats consumed in the context of whole foods are fine, but when you remove the fat and eat it alone, you create imbalance.

 

[buenijo]

Fats consumed in the context of whole foods are fine, but when you remove the fat and eat it alone, you create imbalance.

Is this something you know, or merely something that you believe? What evidence can you offer for this claim? Also, what precisely constitutes an "imbalance" in this context? After all, the rendering of animal fat has been practiced for millenia. Therefore, there were opportunities to consume animal fat directly. Furthermore, animal fat was regularly consumed by the Inuit peoples (whale and seal blubber, etc.).

 

[Suzu]

Is this something you know, or merely something that you believe? What evidence can you offer for this claim? Also, what precisely constitutes an "imbalance" in this context? After all, the rendering of animal fat has been practiced for millenia. Therefore, there were opportunities to consume animal fat directly. Furthermore, animal fat was regularly consumed by the Inuit peoples (whale and seal blubber, etc.).

Indigenous people didn't just eat the fat and toss away the rest of the animal. Neither did our distant ancestors. They ate the WHOLE food. Don't even talk about butter, dairy products (aside from mother's milk) are not meant to be food for human beings (least of all human beings who are old enough to have teeth) but rather for the young of the same mammalian species.

 

[Suzu]

It is highly restrictive to eat only animal products. But I sincerely doubt this practice cannot sustain humans. If animal products provide all essential nutrients, then how does one go about concluding otherwise?

You might be able to get "all essential nutrients" by eating only animal products, but when you try to apply this diet to the whole of humanity, it just doesn't work due to the number of people on the planet and the amount of land required to raise feed for the animals. Pastured animals also required significant areas of land. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but we are not set up for it presently.

 

[fisharmor]

You might be able to get "all essential nutrients" by eating only animal products, but when you try to apply this diet to the whole of humanity, it just doesn't work due to the number of people on the planet and the amount of land required to raise feed for the animals. Pastured animals also required significant areas of land. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but we are not set up for it presently.

Part of what my avatar pic is about is rejecting the universal statist doctrine that we can never change anything without first coming up with a concrete and detailed plan for how the entire globe is going to be organized once the change is effected.

 

[fisharmor]

Indigenous people didn't just eat the fat and toss away the rest of the animal. Neither did our distant ancestors. They ate the WHOLE food. Don't even talk about butter, dairy products (aside from mother's milk) are not meant to be food for human beings (least of all human beings who are old enough to have teeth) but rather for the young of the same mammalian species.

If that's your reasoning then there are actually way more reasons to eat dairy than there are reasons to eat grains. There's at least a tangential connection between humans and dairy. There's zero evidence our systems are supposed to be taking in wheat.

 

[Working Poor]

Even as a vegetarian I avoided carbs and sugar. After 50+ years I am now a carnivore. I do feel better. Less joint pain is the biggest benefit. I have lost more weight than I wanted to. I am trying to eat more and have gained a little. I was not really over weight when I started but I guess I have lost inflammation that I wasn't paying attention to. I am glad I am carnivore.

 

[buenijo]

Suzu, both your previous posts that quoted my posts are non-sequiturs. You're going off the reservation, and I have no interest to follow you into the wilderness.