Any families "unschooling"?

Only at a second grade level? pffft.

Anyways, unschooling is a load of hogwash. While games, gaming and such do act as means to learning, they should be supplemental to lessons. Unschooling stomps on your child's potential. While the current systems are poor, compulsory school is unquestionably a need, and unschooling isn't a productive -let alone efficient- means of education. Instead of just focusing on games than actual learning, we should be molding the system to be centred around the child. For instance, school hours ought to be shifted so as to not accommodate work schedules, but the hours when a child can efficiently learn. That is to say, 10:00- 4:30.

Parents used to teach their children a Family Trade. Smiths would teach their children how to Smith metals. Today, a Programmer could teach their children how to Program. So its understandable that a Family that programs as their Family Trade would not have equal skills in working with metals, construction, cullinary arts, or dentistry. The idea of a Family Business supports the Family Model. The idea of Mandatory Public Schooling destroys the very foundation of the Family Business. You seem to also be suggesting that Homeschooling is nothing more than staying at home, doing literally nothing except watching tv and playing video games. In times of old, kids used to go to work with their parents at their place of business. Kids had summer vacation because at the time, many kids were the children of ranchers and farmers. No longer allowed to be a Family Business.

Public Schooling promotes Obedience over Thinking and Understanding.

That is part of Unschooling. Undoing the psychological damage that is done by public schools. Not only do the public schools completely fail to teach children how to do anything, they further the problem by creating a Classroom to Prison type of mentality. It is scary how eerily similar Prisons and Schools resemble each other. Security. Metal Detectors. Barb Wire Fences. Excessive Punishments for trying to escape the system.

We used to be a much stronger society. Now it seems that the Govt has the power to declare all parents to be unfit unless those parents meet the qualifications that they arbitrarily decree. Parents must have paid a bunch of money in order to teach their children how to do anything. this also suggests that Parents of children that attend public schools have absolutely no Right to teach their children how to do anything unless Permission is granted by a False Authority to teach a child how to do something. It is suggested that my background in film and broadcast is completely irrelevant if I were to teach my kid about the workings of those businesses. I'd also have zero authority or permission to teach my kid about Electronics. Programming. Mathematics. Computational Algebra. Why? Because apparently Im too dumb to teach my own child how to tie their shoes or brush their teeth.

By todays standards, every child in the 1950s was severely traumatized because Spanking was legal. Yes, there are abusive parents out there. There are also good parents. These good parents are unable to take responsiblity for what their child turns into as an adult because someone is claiming an Authority over both the children and the parents and denying the ability of a parent to be a parent.

To answer your question, I engage in Unschooling each and every day. Its not done by attacking an existing system. Its done by constant encouragement to understand everything about the world around them. This is why I do things this way, and explain that the same thing can be accomplished differently. I encourage to learn from mistakes by understanding that mistakes teach us how and why something does not work so that we may overcome those mistakes. I do everything I can to encourage the questioning mind to continue to question. I encourage the understanding of multiple different perspectives simultaneously. I encourage Self Esteem instead of Emotional Dependancy of Appraisal. I actually encourage Disobedience so that the lessons taught can be learned through experiences over obedience.

There are lot of things I dont do in Unschooling. Many of these things are in complete and total contradiction with the current educational model. I dont create a rigid structure of 9am to 9:35am reading will be the lesson. Instead, when they're interested in a certain subject, I stay with that subject. I focus on what they're interested in and expand their understanding by showing how Linguistics can relate to Math, and vice versa. I show how things in this subject directly relate to that subject. Then they become interested in those other related subjects. This arbitrary structure of organizing what a kid will learn based on the availability of the teacher of a specific subject creates confusion and a lack of interest. No one is going to learn anything that they are not interested in. Jobs may be mundane but because the job rewards the person for performing tasks, there is an interest in learning how to perform the task. Too often, when a person learns by that method, they learn only as much as they need to do to get by, but without a genuine interest, they will be severely hindered in gaining a greater understanding of any subject.

Learning happens only when a person is interested in a subject. And we cant really build any time tables around when a person is interested. The idea of only learning from this period of time to this period of time is hogwash. Its based on when interest is shown, and availability to satisfy that intellectual hunger.

Thus, it isnt the Unschooling that stomps on my childs potential. My childs potential is both my Responsibility, thus my Right to encourage them to reach the fullest form of that potential. I believe that it is Compulsory Regulated Mandated Public Schooling itself that has become a menace to the futures of our children, and is what is stomping on their potenial as well as their ability and interest of achieving that potential.
 
Misrepresent? How? I support it.

Comparing parents require their children be educated isn't equal to militarization. The parent sets their children on a path to sustain themselves and future generations, while militarization is just forcing them to potentially participate in violent acts against their will.

*shrug* I can compare you to Bolshevists, if you would prefer. It's all the same in the end.
Or maybe not - the socialists ended up murdering a lot more people than the fascists did ...

Pretty much, yes.

What else do you expect "the next day" to be like after you've arrogated to yourself the authority to dictate what is or is not "responsible" - and to use force to make others comply with your dictates?

There's a socially accepted standard of responsibility to not let your child fuck themselves over in life because they could not comprehend the consequences of not having an education. Parents are responsible for making sure that their child receives an education, and to keep their child from having one would be tantamount to neglect. Are you really going to try saying that my parents were abusive for making me go to school? That's laughable.
 
Are you really going to try saying that my parents were abusive for making me go to school? That's laughable.

Forced participation in psychological experiments is considered unethical. Compulsory education is a giant Solomon Asch social conformity experiment.

XNN
 
There's a socially accepted standard of responsibility to not let your child fuck themselves over in life because they could not comprehend the consequences of not having an education.

"There's a socially accepted standard ..." ... Well, then, in that case, there is no need for any compulsion, is there? QED.

Parents are responsible for making sure that their child receives an education, and to keep their child from having one would be tantamount to neglect. Are you really going to try saying that my parents were abusive for making me go to school? That's laughable.

No. I am saying that if YOU wish to forcibly compel other people to comply with YOUR self-righteous visions regarding how they ought to deal with the issue of their childrens' educations, then it is YOU who is being "abusive" (not to mention totalitarian). You can rant and rave and foam at the mouth all you like with pronouncements about "not letting people fuck themselves over" and other such crudities. The simple, incontrovertible fact remains: it is NOT your place to dictate that others comport themselves in a manner you deem best for them. Period.

The only thing that is "laughable" here is that you and every other (allegedly) "well-intentioned" paver of a certain proverbial road persist in deluding yourselves into imagining that you will end up anywhere but where that road always leads ...
 
Readin', Rightin' and 'Rithmitic brought forth some of the greatest thinkers and most productive men the world has ever seen.

State mandated "education" however............
 
"There's a socially accepted standard ..." ... Well, then, in that case, there is no need for any compulsion, is there? QED.

This is one of those rare proofs that, due to their compact elegance, one's left eye is moved to a tear.

Well done. Pony up the rep guys - he earned his today.

No. I am saying that if YOU wish to forcibly compel other people to comply with YOUR self-righteous visions regarding how they ought to deal with the issue of their childrens' educations, then it is YOU who is being "abusive" (not to mention totalitarian). You can rant and rave and foam at the mouth all you like with pronouncements about "not letting people fuck themselves over" and other such crudities. The simple, incontrovertible fact remains: it is NOT your place to dictate that others comport themselves in a manner you deem best for them. Period.

The only thing that is "laughable" here is that you and every other (allegedly) "well-intentioned" paver of a certain proverbial road persist in deluding yourselves into imagining that you will end up anywhere but where that road always leads ...

Very nicely done as well. You get a gold star.
 
Readin', Rightin' and 'Rithmitic brought forth some of the greatest thinkers and most productive men the world has ever seen.

State mandated "education" however............


Yes yes - so centrally noteworthy a truth that nobody notices.

The trivium is what we need to be teaching children up through sixth grade - then branch out - because without a solid foundation the rest is shaky at best.

The 4-Rs produced such brilliance even on the average when compared with what juvenile and adolescent intellect tends to be today, yet all they had were their source works from which to learn. No "textbook" to spoon feed them the answers and guide their thinking into hobbled "adult" intellect.

We are spending some $10K per student per year today - schools bursting at the seams with technology purchased with funds stolen from the "community", and this is all we can manage?

How can any nominally intelligent man claiming self-respect, dignity, and personal integrity look at what has transpired in public education over the past 50+ years and not call it a war against our issue? Such is not even remotely credible.

The more we force the issues and attempt to jam everyone into the same mold, the more sadly we fail. Just do a chronological examination and see for yourselves. It is horrible.
 
HuffPo: What Is It Like to Raise Unschooled Kids?

It's glorious, and at times frightening. It requires a relatively thick skin to stand up to critics (and, so called, authorities).

I unschool my son (now 13... would be 7th grade). He went to a few preschools and half of Kindergarten. I had no plans to take him out of school, but he had a major surgery (head/neck), so I pulled him out for the end of Kinder. I found it extremely enjoyable to NOT do the morning rush required to get a kid to school, so I figured I'd try homeschooling 1st grade. I could always put him back in after that.

XNN
 
I met someone who read about unschooling and thought it was a great idea. Ran into them recently. The oldest kid is 8, can't read, write or count. Also can't speak clearly enough for any adults to understand them.
 
I met someone who read about unschooling and thought it was a great idea. Ran into them recently. The oldest kid is 8, can't read, write or count. Also can't speak clearly enough for any adults to understand them.

Amazing! Most parents would be freaking out by now without understanding that full-on unschooling is sometimes socially uncomfortable. Maybe you can pass along these supportive links.

Unschooling: Legitimate pedagogy or foolish fad?

Sometimes unschooled kids don’t read or hit other major literacy and numeracy benchmarks until much later than the norm for their age, if they hit them at all. That doesn’t worry Kellie Rolstad and her husband Jeff MacSwann, both professors in the faculty of education at Arizona State University who are unschooling their three kids. Their son Skye, 11, didn’t learn to tie his shoes until just this year, has never written using a cursive style and recently asked for a refresher on writing a basic numeral. “This morning, he was writing a date and said to me, ‘Now, which way does a 2 go?’” says Dr. Rolstad, who has been a visiting professor at Harvard University.

“Some people would find that frightening – he’s 11 years old and doesn’t know how to make a 2. But I’m not frightened.” Echoing other unschooling parents, she says that’s because all of her kids are well-adjusted and flourish in whatever challenge, academic or otherwise, they choose to take on.

Children Teach Themselves to Read

But the story is entirely different for unschooled children. They may learn to read at any time, with no apparent negative consequences. The stories sent to me by readers of this blog include 21 separate cases of children learning to read in which the age of first real reading (reading and understanding of novel passages of text) was mentioned. Of these, two learned at age 4, seven learned at age 5 or 6, six learned at age 7 or 8, five learned at age 9 or 10, and one learned at age 11.

As research has shown, a supportive environment is a great incentive to learning. Take another kid in a great public school, but who has a family environment or community gangs that disincentivize learning, and you can still end up with an 18yo functional illiterate.

XNN
 
I met someone who read about unschooling and thought it was a great idea. Ran into them recently. The oldest kid is 8, can't read, write or count. Also can't speak clearly enough for any adults to understand them.

If a child of 8 cannot speak clearly enough to be understood, it has nothing whatsoever to do with schooling or unschooling. Either the child has a disability of some kind or is being raised in a closet. Children typically have mastered the basics of speech long before they get to school.
 
I'm not sure if it counts as unschooling... but I've begun to teach my 5 year old about government during our homeschooling sessions, so far we've covered:

They steal your money.
They shoot your dogs.
They're considering putting mommies and daddies in jail for possession of lightbulbs.


Have I missed anything?
 
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