Anti-Science Bills Weighed in Four States

Yes. Half the population does not accept evolution, or regards it as debunked, and these have been the poll results for decades. At some point, even government school curriculums have to accept and reflect there is a controversy among reasonable people about whether the evolution of life is true or false. At the very least, the fact that there are scientific problems with evolution should be disclosed, regardless of whether special creation or intelligent design is brought up as a positive alternative.

Thankfully, scientific facts remain facts whether the public agrees or not. And I think it odd you appeal to the majority opinion. Would you do so if 'half the population' supported torture, gun restrictions, and the police state? Does public support legitimize any of these things?

The only reason controversy exists is because many Americans cling to the notion of a 6000-year-old Earth (which isn't even in the Bible, but whatever). That and people like Richard Dawkins give evolution a bad name amongst the general public. There are plenty of Christians who accept evolution.

Can you identify some of these scientific problems. And please, no links to a personal blog or website. Either explain your ideas in full or link to a peer-reviewed article from a reputable journal.
 
Help! Help! The scientific Establishment's orthodoxy is under attack! If we allow people to hear unapproved scientific viewpoints, pretty soon people might reject scientific facts like man-made global warming too!
 
I didn't see anything anti-science in the descriptions of these bills in the OP.

What exactly in any of them is anti-science?
 
"backdoor way of questioning the theory of evolution"

Oh the horror! We can't question the theory of evolution!

Exactly.

What shocks me is that evolution is the protected theory by the state and no libertarian atheists stops to question this. Evolution is the favorite theory of the state! Why shouldn't we challenge these protected theories? What is there to hide?
 
“It’s ironic that creationist strategies continue to evolve,” Eugenie C. Scott of the National Center for Scientific Education said. “At first, creationists tried to ban the teaching of evolution in the public schools altogether. When they were no longer able to do so, they tried to ‘balance’ it with the teaching of Biblical creationism, or scientific creationism, or intelligent design.

Seems she is the one who only wants her religion in the classroom.
 
Exactly.

What shocks me is that evolution is the protected theory by the state and no libertarian atheists stops to question this. Evolution is the favorite theory of the state! Why shouldn't we challenge these protected theories? What is there to hide?

It not protected by the state it is protected by EVIDENCE. Evidence you don't care to review.
 
It not protected by the state it is protected by EVIDENCE. Evidence you don't care to review.

If the state is requiring teachers to claim that the evidence proves evolution, and prohibiting them from saying anything to the contrary, which seems to be the case, then the state is protecting it. If evolutionists are so confident in the theory to stand on its own without the state's help, they should welcome these bills.
 
It is if the differing viewpoint isn't scientific. That's why a bill that would require the teaching of astrology, phrenology, and the four bodily humors would be anti-scientific. By its very nature, creationism isn't scientific.

Very few people, as exemplified in your post, understand what science actually is. It is this widespread and stupefying ignorance that perpetuates numbskulls like you spewing your pseudo-scientific opinions about the meaning of science.

Science means every belief, no matter how "scientific" the current theory is perceived to be, is questionable. I don't expect you to be able to comprehend that, though. Keep bleating.
 
"Anti-science"? What was anti-science about anything in the OP? Why is anything that is not Darwinism "anti-science"?

This is nothing but an attempt to frame the debate in terms only favorable to one side. Everyone can see through this.
 
Nobody gets force fed anything. They choose to sit in front of the tv and listen to the media feed the narrative from the people who are actually literate in the field. And the narrative is political. That audience doesn't generally look at the facts through a scientific lens because they can't. Most are a product of the very infrastructure that helped create the problems. So they don't "question"nything at all. They recite the narrative. It's their livelihood. So they take what the media feeds them and run with it and the whole time removing themselves from the actual democratic process without even knowing they are doing it to themselves. That's political science 101, Jmdrake. How can you not understand that?

Cripes. I know for a fact I've told you how I felt about the entire global warming narrative.

Of course, I'm not excusing reckless infrastructure either. If you can move beyond what you're being fed from "the news" sometime maybe we can discuss that.

And what they've been fed by the media happens to be evolution. When is the last time you've actually seen a variance in opinion on this from anyone on TV?

As I've said before, what shocks me is that none of the supposedly libertarian atheists here question what is going on with evolution and just accept that the state is doing the right thing this time, despite all those other times where it tried to subvert the public with rhetoric that supports its own agenda.
 

The already debunked theory of evolution that people like you hold on to because it's in your own best interest. Of course, you still think the theory is alive and well because the media hasn't ceased to spew propaganda in favor of the theory of evolution, so your confusion is understandable.
 
It not protected by the state it is protected by EVIDENCE. Evidence you don't care to review.

Maybe you haven't heard about the state-run education system and how that same state-run system only supports the teaching of the theory of evolution. Ergo, the theory of evolution is protected by the state. The mere fact that you even have the gall to say it's not protected by the state shows the extent of your cognitive dissonance.
 
Nobody gets force fed anything. They choose to sit in front of the tv and listen to the media feed the narrative from the people who are actually literate in the field.

Ummm...you realize that we're talking about public schools right? You realize that going to school is compulsory? And if you believe that the media actually picks the most "literate in the field" to talk about science.....well you have far too much faith in the media. Seriously. There are people who are extremely literate when it comes to science who reject AGW and evolution as the origin of species just like there are people who are scientifically literate who reject the idea that deficit spending got us out of the great depression. Economics, by the way, is considered a "science." So if you believe that only the "literate" scientific viewpoints get into the media...then why are you a part of a movement that rejects conventional wisdom on economics? Seriously?

Are you aware that the founder of the weather channel wanted to sue Al Gore for fraud over Gore's global warming claims? Do you think the founder of the weather channel is not "scientifically literate?"



And the narrative is political. That audience doesn't generally look at the facts through a scientific lens because they can't. Most are a product of the very infrastructure that helped create the problems. So they don't "question"nything at all. They recite the narrative. It's their livelihood. So they take what the media feeds them and run with it and the whole time removing themselves from the actual democratic process without even knowing they are doing it to themselves. That's political science 101, Jmdrake. How can you not understand that?

How can I not understand what? What you just wrote has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, or anything to do with your own thread for that matter. Again, we are talking about what will or will not go into a state funded public school curriculum and whether said curriculum "dare" question the dogma of Al Gore and the liars who said they needed to "hide the decline." Did you know that Al Gore's movie "an inconvenient truth" is barred from public school in England unless it

Cripes. I know for a fact I've told you how I felt about the entire global warming narrative.

Yes. That's why I brought it up. I'm calling you out. You think that people "don't understand" science or your position when we simply disagree with both your "science" and your position. Trust me. I have a fantastic memory. If I bring something up I've most likely done that on purpose.

Of course, I'm not excusing reckless infrastructure either. If you can move beyond what you're being fed from "the news" sometime maybe we can discuss that.

Again, this is not about the news. It's about the public school system which largely has a captive audience. Yes there are ways around that captivity. Ron Paul's homeschool curriculum, as flawed as it may be, is one attempt around that. I welcome others. I also welcome moves by state legislatures to at least put some limits on the blanket indoctrination that's being pumped into innocent children. I was all for fighting global warming back in the 80s before most people had even heard of the term. I changed my mind after looking at the science. So frankly I find it insulting that you or anyone else would claim it is "anti-science" to question conventional views pushed about science. Do you realize that at one point the "climate science" community was pushing "global cooling?"

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Oh yeah, and they blamed cars for global cooling.
 
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Science means every belief, no matter how "scientific" the current theory is perceived to be, is questionable.

Indeed it does. A scientific theorem can never be proven in the same way that a mathematical theorem can. But they can be falsified, which is why no one in his right mind would insist that the weaknesses of the germ theory of disease should be taught along side the theory of the four bodily humors.

But the bills referred to in the original post are nothing more than lame attempts to introduce intelligent design into the science curriculum, where it does not belong.
 
Indeed it does. A scientific theorem can never be proven in the same way that a mathematical theorem can. But they can be falsified, which is why no one in his right mind would insist that the weaknesses of the germ theory of disease should be taught along side the theory of the four bodily humors.
I don't see anything in these bills analogous to that. Nobody is insisting that anything be taught alongside anything.

But the bills referred to in the original post are nothing more than lame attempts to introduce intelligent design into the science curriculum, where it does not belong.
Let's say the bills do that. And let's say you don't think intelligent design should be mentioned in any scientific context. Why should you impose that conviction of yours on others?
 
Indeed it does. A scientific theorem can never be proven in the same way that a mathematical theorem can. But they can be falsified, which is why no one in his right mind would insist that the weaknesses of the germ theory of disease should be taught along side the theory of the four bodily humors.

But the bills referred to in the original post are nothing more than lame attempts to introduce intelligent design into the science curriculum, where it does not belong.

Do you think questioning of AGW belongs in a science curriculum? Yes or no?
 
Government has no place in education. I don't see how these are anti-science though. Requiring different viewpoints be covered is not anti-science. That's the same kind of hysteria they give you when they call you anti-America for wanting to stop bombing Muslims.

The problem is that the liberals won't allow different viewpoints to be covered.
 
It is if the differing viewpoint isn't scientific. That's why a bill that would require the teaching of astrology, phrenology, and the four bodily humors would be anti-scientific. By its very nature, creationism isn't scientific.


It's pretty easy to see who went to public schools, isn't it?
 
Why should you impose that conviction of yours on others?

And that brings us back again to the actual solution to this problem: get government out of education.

But people just can't help but be drawn into the argument that can never be resolved.
 
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