Another Venezuela Thread :)

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled!

The least they can do, is come up with something new!
For years now the Maduro government, that keeps exporting oil while Venezuelans are generally poor, has been supported by all of the adverse publicity.

goldenequity said:
US ‘blitzkrieg’ to replace Venezuela govt. has failed - Lavrov
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-blitzkrieg-to-replace-venezuela-govt-has-failed-lavrov/
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Have you heard the “news”?
The US government has supposedly staged a coup, which has once again boosted the popularity of Maduro!

I was prepared to give Hugo Chavez the benefit of the doubt. But maybe he was as dirty as Nicolas Maduro...

When in April 2002, a coup was staged in Venezuela, in support of Hugo Chavez´s government, conveniently Irish filmmakers Kim Bartley and Donnacha Ó Briain where present.
They made it into a real propaganda piece, even insinuating CIA involvement without any proof.

Bizarrely they called the 2003 documentary “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised” (a.k.a Chávez: Inside the Coup): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_Will_Not_Be_Televised_(film)

 
Swordsmyth said:
That's exactly what the leftarians allow themselves to be manipulated into supporting, no regime that denies guns to its people can ever be the "Good Guy" and you can oppose US intervention without supporting the regime but leftarians are so used to hating America that they automatically side with any enemy of the US as part of opposing intervention no matter how evil and repressive that enemy is.
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Guaido supported taking the guns too, in 2012.

Of course, if you knew anything about the man you claim is better than Maduro, you would have already known that.
 
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Firestarter said:
For years now the Maduro government, that keeps exporting oil while Venezuelans are generally poor, has been supported by all of the adverse publicity.

Have you heard the “news”?
The US government has supposedly staged a coup, which has once again boosted the popularity of Maduro!
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For a while I've been on the fence about the whole Venezuela thing, whether there's something else going or is it really a standard regime change operation. Now, I'm getting off the fence. There are a lot of things that the US government does poorly. Regime change operations are clearly not one of them and have been deadly effective. This one has appeared very "Keystone Cops", however, so I must look at what other aims it could have. The appearance of Chinese military in VZ, at the invitation of Maduro, is a big clue and fits with the ongoing narrative of "Trump" driving other countries into the arms of China, which is also a key point toward perception management of how the dollar loses global reserve standard. IOW, the people of VZ embrace the Chinese as their savior from the big bad US that's hell bent on toppling their beloved Maduro. Regime change ops are really much more about controlling the perceptions of the populations of those countries via control of the leaders. Topple the leader, replace with a puppet, then have puppet sell the new paradigm to the population...important since the oil ain't gonna pump itself or the gold won't dig itself out of the mine. In the instance of VZ, the proposed puppet isn't ideologically different than the current leader so one must ask what the point is?
 
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Guaido supported taking the guns too, in 2012.

Of course, if you knew anything about the man you claim is better than Maduro, you would have already known that.
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That is bad and another reason the US should stay out of it and the Venezuelan people should choose someone other than Guaido but Guaido wouldn't have such a secure grip on power and would be easier to replace than Maduro.
 
devil21 said:
For a while I've been on the fence about the whole Venezuela thing, whether there's something else going or is it really a standard regime change operation. Now, I'm getting off the fence. There are a lot of things that the US government does poorly. Regime change operations are clearly not one of them and have been deadly effective. This one has appeared very "Keystone Cops", however, so I must look at what other aims it could have. The appearance of Chinese military in VZ, at the invitation of Maduro, is a big clue and fits with the ongoing narrative of "Trump" driving other countries into the arms of China, which is also a key point toward perception management of how the dollar loses global reserve standard. IOW, the people of VZ embrace the Chinese as their savior from the big bad US that's hell bent on toppling their beloved Maduro. Regime change ops are really much more about controlling the perceptions of the populations of those countries via control of the leaders. Topple the leader, replace with a puppet, then have puppet sell the new paradigm to the population...important since the oil ain't gonna pump itself or the gold won't dig itself out of the mine. In the instance of VZ, the proposed puppet isn't ideologically different than the current leader so one must ask what the point is?
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I know one thing... The idea that we created their issues is false. They did it to themselves before we got involved. Important to note the timeline with it all.

Amid Food Shortages, Severe Rationing Has Been Mandated In Communist/Socialist-Run Countries - Americans Need To Learn From These Examples

"Too many Americans seem to think that for a thriving nation to reach the status of crisis, suffering from shortages of food, medical supplies and basics including toilet paper, it would take decades of failed policies, but Venezuela teaches us that a nation considered to be the "richest nation in South America" can fall so hard and so fast that in a matter just a few short years, they are in full crisis mode.

The political unrest in Venezuela aside, in 2014 Venezuela was considered one of Latin America’s fastest-rising economies, as shown the screen shot graph below from the World Bank group."

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"Note - While many of the blame America first crowd claims their troubles began when the U.S. sanctioned them, so it is Americas fault, that is a revisionist history, because the first sanctions against Venezuela were announced against individual persons, not the nation as a whole, and that wasn't until the end of 2014, after the catastrophic collapse had already begun.

See full list of Venezuela sanctions here. https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/venezuela/#

How does a thriving nation collapse that fast? In 1998 Hugo Chavez was elected and over the next decade went on a massive "social spending" spree, redirecting oil profits "To finance educational, health, food, and housing programs for a population of over 30 million, the government redirected oil profits to address pressing social inequality," according to Miguel R. Tinker Salas, professor of Latin American studies and history at Pomona College in California."

http://allnewspipeline.com/Food_Shortages_Rationing_Cuba_NK_VZ.php


Venezuela-Related Sanctions
https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/venezuela/#



Venezuela-Related Sanctions, Department of the Treasury

Remarks and Releases
05/10/19 The United States Sanctions Venezuela's Defense and Security Sector; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
05/10/19 Treasury Identifies the Venezuelan Defense and Security Sector as Subject to Sanctions and Further Targets Venezuelan Oil Moving to Cuba
04/26/19 The United States Sanctions Maduro-Aligned Individuals; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
04/26/19 Treasury Sanctions Venezuelan Minister of Foreign Affairs
04/17/19 Treasury Sanctions Central Bank of Venezuela and Director of the Central Bank of Venezuela
04/17/19 The United States Sanctions the Central Bank of Venezuela; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
04/12/19 The United States Takes Action To End Cuba's Malign Influence on Venezuela; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
04/12/19 Treasury Increases Pressure on Cuba to End Support to Maduro by Imposing Further Oil Sector Sanctions
04/05/19 The United States Sanctions Companies Enabling Shipment of Venezuelan Oil to Cuba; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
04/05/19 Treasury Sanctions Companies Operating in the Oil Sector of the Venezuelan Economy and Transporting Oil to Cuba
03/22/19 Treasury Sanctions BANDES, Venezuela's National Development Bank, and Subsidiaries, in Response to Illegal Arrest of Guaido Aide
03/22/19 The United States Sanctions Venezuela's State-affiliated Bank; Deputy Spokesperson Robert Palladino; Washington, DC
03/19/19 Sanctions Against Venezuelan Gold Sector; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
03/19/19 Treasury Sanctions Venezuela's State Gold Mining Company and its President for Propping Up Illegitimate Maduro Regime
03/11/19 The United States Tightens Sanctions on Venezuela by Targeting Russia-Based Bank; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
03/11/19 Treasury Sanctions Russia-based Bank Attempting to Circumvent U.S. Sanctions on Venezuela
03/06/19 White House Statement from the National Security Advisor Ambassador John Bolton
03/01/19 The United States Sanctions Illegitimate Maduro Regime Security Officials Associated With Violence and Obstruction of International Humanitarian Assistance; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
03/01/19 Briefing on Venezuela; U.S. Special Representative for Venezuela Elliott Abrams; Washington, DC
03/01/19 The United States Revokes U.S. Entry of Maduro-Aligned Individuals and Family; Deputy Spokesperson Robert Palladino; Washington, DC
03/01/19 Treasury Sanctions Security Officials Associated with Violence and Obstruction of Humanitarian Aid Delivery
02/23/19 Let Humanitarian Aid Into Venezuela; Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo; Washington, DC
02/22/19 The United States Pre-Positions Aid for Venezuelans on the Brazil-Venezuela Border; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
02/25/19 The United States Sanctions Governors of Venezuelan States Aligned With Maduro; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
02/25/19 Treasury Sanctions Governors of Venezuelan States Aligned with Maduro
02/15/19 U.S. Sanctions on Venezuelan Individuals and Entities; Deputy Spokesperson Robert Palladino; Washington, DC
02/15/19 Treasury Sanctions Officials Aligned with Former President Nicolas Maduro and Involved in Repression and Corruption
01/29/19 White House Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Supports the Venezuelan People's Efforts to Restore Democracy in Their Country
01/28/19 Sanctions Against PDVSA and Venezuela Oil Sector; Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo; Washington, DC
01/28/19 Treasury Sanctions Venezuela's State-Owned Oil Company Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A.
01/23/19 White House Statement From President Donald J. Trump Recognizing Venezuelan National Assembly President Juan Guaido as the Interim President of Venezuela
01/12/19 Ensuring Venezuela's Constitutional Order and Safety of Elected Officials; Deputy Spokesperson Robert Palladino; Washington, DC
01/08/19 Treasury Targets Venezuela Currency Exchange Network Scheme Generating Billions of Dollars for Corrupt Regime Insiders
12/18/18 Venezuela Fact Sheet
11/02/18 Remarks by National Security Advisor Ambassador John R. Bolton on the Administration's Policies in Latin America
09/25/18 The United States Imposes Sanctions on Venezuelan Individuals and Entities; Office of the Spokesperson; Washington, DC
09/25/18 Treasury Targets Venezuelan President Maduro's Inner Circle and Proceeds of Corruption in the United States
05/18/18 Treasury Targets Influential Former Venezuelan Official and His Corruption Network
03/19/18 Treasury Sanctions Four Current or Former Venezuelan Officials Associated with Economic Mismanagement and Corruption
01/05/18 Treasury Sanctions Four Venezuelan Government Officials Associated with Corruption and Oppression
11/09/17 Treasury Sanctions Ten Venezuelan Government Officials
08/09/17 Treasury Sanctions Eight Individuals Involved in Venezuela's Illegitimate Constituent Assembly
07/31/17 Treasury Sanctions the President of Venezuela
07/26/17 Treasury Sanctions 13 Current and Former Senior Officials of the Government of Venezuela
07/17/17 Statement from President Donald J. Trump
05/18/17 Treasury Sanctions Eight Members of Venezuela's Supreme Court of Justice
03/09/15 Statement by the White House Press Secretary on Venezuela
03/09/15 White House Fact Sheet: Venezuela Executive Order
12/18/14 Statement by the White House Press Secretary: Bills Signed into Law

Executive Orders

Executive Order 13850 of November 1, 2018 "Blocking Property of Additional Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela"
Executive Order 13835 of May 21, 2018 "Prohibiting Certain Additional Transactions with Respect to Venezuela"
Executive Order 13827 of March 19, 2018 "Taking Additional Steps to Address the Situation in Venezuela"
Executive Order 13808 of August 24, 2017 "Imposing Additional Sanctions with Respect to the Situation in Venezuela"
Executive Order 13692 of March 8, 2015 "Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela"

Executive Order 13857 of January 28, 2019 "Taking Additional Steps to Address the National Emergency With Respect to Venezuela"

Executive Order 13692 declares a national emergency with respect to the situation in Venezuela. The targeted sanctions in this Executive Order (E.O.) implement relevant provisions of the Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014 signed into law on December 18, 2014, and also provide sanctions authority that goes beyond the requirements of the legislation. The E.O. provides authority to target persons involved in or responsible for the erosion of human rights guarantees, persecution of political opponents, curtailment of press freedoms, use of violence and human rights violations and abuses in response to antigovernment protests, and arbitrary arrest and detention of antigovernment protestors, as well as significant public corruption by senior government officials in the country. E.O. 13692 does not target the people or economy of Venezuela.

Executive Order 13808, among other things, prohibits transactions by a United States person or within the United States related to: certain new debt of Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA); certain new debt or new equity of the Government of Venezuela; existing bonds issued by the Government of Venezuela prior to August 25, 2017; and dividend payments or other distributions of profits to the Government of Venezuela from any entity owned or controlled by the Government of Venezuela. In addition, E.O. 13808 prohibits the purchase by a U.S. person or within the United States of most securities from the Government of Venezuela.

Executive Order 13827 prohibits all transactions related to, provision of financing for, and other dealings in any digital currency, digital coin, or digital token issued by, for, or on behalf of the Government of Venezuela on or after January 9, 2018 wherein U.S. jurisdiction is implicated. The Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) simultaneously issued frequently asked questions (#559-563) clarifying that compliance obligations are the same, regardless of whether a transaction is denominated in digital currency or a traditional fiat currency. OFAC also clarified that U.S. persons and persons otherwise subject to OFAC jurisdiction that facilitate or engage in online commerce or process transactions using digital currency are responsible for ensuring that they do not engage in unauthorized transactions prohibited by U.S. sanctions.

Executive Order 13835, among other things, prohibits transactions by a United States person or within the United States related to: the purchase of any debt owed to the Government of Venezuela (including PDVSA), such as but not limited to accounts receivable; any debt owed to the Government of Venezuela that is pledged as collateral after May 21, 2018; and the sale, transfer, assignment, or pledging as collateral by the Government of Venezuela of any equity interest in any entity in which it has a 50 percent or greater ownership interest. E.O. 13835 closes another avenue for corruption by denying the Venezuelan regime the ability to earn money by selling off public assets at “fire sale” prices at the expense of the Venezuelan people.

Executive Order 13850, among other things, authorizes the imposition of blocking sanctions on persons determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary, to operate in the gold sector of the Venezuelan economy or in any other sector of the Venezuelan economy as may be determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State. Moreover, it authorizes the imposition of blocking sanctions on persons determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have directly or indirectly engaged in, any transactions involving deceptive practices or corruption and the Government of Venezuela or projects or programs administered by the Government of Venezuela, or to be an immediate adult family member of such a person. On January 28, 2019, the Treasury Department, following from consultation with the Department of State, determined that persons operating in Venezuela’s oil sector may now be subject to sanctions pursuant to E.O. 13850. As of January 28, Treasury has designated PDVSA for operating within this sector. This action extends to entities that are majority (50% or greater) owned by PDVSA.

Executive Order 13857 recognizes the swearing-in of interim President Juan Guaido and amends the above-mentioned E.O.s to define “Government of Venezuela” to ensure that the Maduro regime remains the focus of our sanctions measures. The new definition includes the state and Government of Venezuela, any political subdivision, agency, or instrumentality thereof, including the Central Bank, PDVSA, and any person who has acted for or purported to act on behalf of, any of the foregoing, including as a member of the Maduro regime.

Legislation

7/15/2016 Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Extension Act of 2016
12/18/2014 Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014
 
Embassy Protection Collective Releases Statement on 34th Day of Venezuelan Embassy Standoff

“The Embassy Protectors will not barricade ourselves, or hide in the embassy in the event of an unlawful entry by police. We will gather together and peacefully assert our rights to remain in the building and uphold international law.”

The Embassy Protection Collective is a group of activists and journalists living in the Venezuelan embassy in Washington, DC at the invitation of the Venezuelan government. The following is a statement released by the Embassy Protection Collective to MintPress News and other media:

This is the 34th day of our living in the Venezuelan embassy in Washington, DC. We are prepared to stay another 34 days, or however long is needed to resolve the embassy dispute in a peaceful way consistent with international law.
This memo is being sent to the US and Venezuela as well as members of our Collective and allies. We are encouraging people to publish this memo as a transparent process is needed to prevent the US from making a unilateral decision that could impact the security of embassies around the world and lead to military conflict.

There are two ways to resolve the issues around the Venezuelan embassy in DC, which we will explain.

Before doing so, we reiterate that our collective is one of independent people and organizations not affiliated with any government. While we are all US citizens, we are not agents of the United States. While we are here with permission of the Venezuelan government, we are not their agents or representatives.

We are here in the embassy lawfully. We are breaking no laws. We did not unlawfully enter and we are not trespassing.

1. Exiting with a Protecting Power Agreement
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The exit from the embassy that best resolves issues to the benefit of the United States and Venezuela is a mutual Protecting Power Agreement. The United States wants a Protecting Power for its embassy in Caracas. Venezuela wants a Protecting Power for its embassy in DC. Such agreements are not uncommon when diplomatic relations are severed.

A Protecting Power Agreement would avoid a military conflict that could lead to war. A war in Venezuela would be catastrophic for Venezuela, the United States, and for the region. It would lead to lives lost and mass migration from the chaos and conflict of war. It would cost the United States trillions of dollars and become a quagmire involving allied countries around the world.

We are serving as interim protectors in the hope that the two nations can negotiate this resolution. If this occurs we will take the banners off the building, pack our materials, and leave voluntarily. The electricity could be turned on and we will drive out.

We suggest a video walk-through with embassy officials to show that the Embassy Protection Collective did not damage the building. The only damage to the building has been inflicted by coup supporters in the course of their unprosecuted break-ins.

2. The United States violates the Vienna Convention, makes an illegal eviction and unlawful arrests
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This approach will violate international law and is fraught with risks. The United States would have to cut the chains in the front door put up by embassy staff and violate the embassy. We have put up barriers there and at other entrances to protect us from constant break-ins and threats from the trespassers whom the police are permitting outside the embassy. The police’s failure to protect the embassy and the US citizens inside has forced us to take these actions.

The Embassy Protectors will not barricade ourselves, or hide in the embassy in the event of an unlawful entry by police. We will gather together and peacefully assert our rights to remain in the building and uphold international law.

Any order to vacate based on a request by coup conspirators that lack governing authority will not be a lawful order. The coup has failed multiple times in Venezuela. The elected government is recognized by the Venezuelan courts under Venezuelan law and by the United Nations under international law. An order by the US-appointed coup plotters would not be legal.

Such an entry would put embassies around the world and in the United States at risk. We are concerned about US embassies and personnel around the world if the Vienna Convention is violated at this embassy. It would set a dangerous precedent that would likely be used against US embassies.

If an illegal eviction and unlawful arrests are made, we will hold all decision-makers in the chain of command and all officers who enforce unlawful orders accountable.
If there is a notice that we are trespassing and need to vacate the premises, please provide it to our attorney Mara Verhayden-Hilliard, copied on this memo.

We have taken care of this embassy and request a video tour of the building before any arrests.

We hope a wise and calm solution to this issue can be achieved so escalation of this conflict can avoided.

There is no need for the United States and Venezuela to be enemies. Resolving this embassy dispute diplomatically should lead to negotiations over other issues between the nations.

The Embassy Protection Collective
May 13, 2019
 
‘Illegal seizure’: US police raid Venezuelan embassy in DC to evict pro-Maduro activists

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Activists occupying the Venezuelan embassy in Washington are refusing to vacate the premises in defiance of a notice threatening them with arrest for refusing to turn over the building to representatives of Juan Guaido.

“We are expecting the police to come in and violate the Vienna convention with their fictional government, nongovernment claiming that we should leave,” the so-called Embassy Civilian Protection Collective said in a video message.

"We’re going to be prepared to be arrested. We’re not going to leave voluntarily."

https://www.rt.com/news/459260-venezuela-embassy-washington-seizure


https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1128069567367077895




'Raid' backed down (upheld the law... defied Trump/WH 'orders'. good.)


https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1128111489376759810
 
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For a while I've been on the fence about the whole Venezuela thing, whether there's something else going or is it really a standard regime change operation. Now, I'm getting off the fence. There are a lot of things that the US government does poorly. Regime change operations are clearly not one of them and have been deadly effective. This one has appeared very "Keystone Cops", however, so I must look at what other aims it could have. The appearance of Chinese military in VZ, at the invitation of Maduro, is a big clue and fits with the ongoing narrative of "Trump" driving other countries into the arms of China, which is also a key point toward perception management of how the dollar loses global reserve standard. IOW, the people of VZ embrace the Chinese as their savior from the big bad US that's hell bent on toppling their beloved Maduro. Regime change ops are really much more about controlling the perceptions of the populations of those countries via control of the leaders. Topple the leader, replace with a puppet, then have puppet sell the new paradigm to the population...important since the oil ain't gonna pump itself or the gold won't dig itself out of the mine. In the instance of VZ, the proposed puppet isn't ideologically different than the current leader so one must ask what the point is?
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You're no dummy, what's going on here is obvious to anyone with a brain. There were a couple articles a few days ago claiming that the coup was set in motion prematurely because the head of the intelligence service was to be arrested for treason later that morning, and had gotten wind of it. Yes, it's a standard NWO regime change operation (with the additional motive of oil, as bolton admits), but the playbook has been updated to include cyber warfare, attacks on civilian infrastructure, and a more comprehensive propaganda campaign.

But here is where the mask comes off, leaving no doubt as to what the propagandists here are shylling for. This is about trump's NWO foreign policy, and nothing else, it is not about socialism, Maduro, or whatever. Note the tactics of the shylls. They attempt to use the standard tactic of arguing the meanings of words whose definitions are self evident, such as traitor. They argue that this is not an NWO agenda, despite the people involved that trump hired, can fire at will, and whose every action is signed off on by trump. The claim here is that only bankers are the NWO, and that it doesn't include political figures, despite many various political figures attending their little globalist meetings alongside the bankers and CEO's. abrams, bolton, hello? And of course the biggest instigator in the Senate is mister "New American Century" himself, The Rube. Hello? How many ways can you spell NWO? The shylls even use The Ghoul's argument that to support Ron Paul on foreign policy is somehow blaming America first and being in favor of socialism! Then there's the claim that a foreign head of state that was fairly elected and re-elected is a dictator who must be overthrown (again, standard NWO playbook), but dictatorships like Saudi Arabia are our good buddies and helping them attack their neighbors is no big deal (not to mention other oppressive elected regeimes such as Israel).

What's so amusing is that the shylls will claim that they somehow don't support this NWO regime change foreign policy, then go on to openly oppose Ron Paul and cheerlead for it and their Authoritarian Idol. Ron Paul has clearly and repeatedly mentioned that sanctions are an act of war, yet it is argued that trump continuing obomba's NWO foreign policy in Velezuela is somehow ok because of socialism, even complete with a chart worthy of zip. Again, it's obvious to anyone with a brain that socialist and communist economies with too much central planning will collapse on their own, and there are many historical examples of that (USSR empire, Vietnam, etc, etc), in addition to comparative economic conditions in countries with "softer" socialism such as Canada and France. Central economic planning is bad and always fails, so what? Some other country's economy failing is no excuse for trump's NWO foreign policy, and no excuse to directly oppose Ron Paul. Ron Paul says that foreign policy should be according to the Golden Rule, yet the shylls will cheerlead for kicking someone when they're down, then claim that opposing this is to support socialism or blaming America (complete with a chart worthy of zippy, lol).

Then there's the shylls' obsession with immigrants. They claim that trump is doing such a wonderful job by expanding the big government police state under the guise of keeping immigrants out, then turn around and shyll for trump's NWO foreign policy that creates more immigrants, that the trump administration openly states that they then want to give "economic aid" to! In their direct opposition to Ron Paul and shylling for trump, it's impossible for them to not contradict themselves at every turn. If they are against immigration (never mind giving "economic aid" to immigrants) as they claim, and are against trump's NWO foreign policy as they claim, then they can either prove it by stopping the shylling and directly denouncing their Authoritarian Idol, or continue to directly oppose Ron Paul. They also claim to be against asset forfeiture, but say nothing about trump attempting to seize the assets of an entire foreign government and their administration officials. But of course they will never denounce their Authoritarian Idol, since they're obviously being paid to shyll for him with their 34+ posts here per day. They will only continue attempting to argue over the definitions of common words and accuse genuine Ron Paul supporters of somehow supporting socialism. They will continue to directly oppose Ron Paul by cheerleading for that long list of sanctions (acts of war), executive orders (hey, trump has a pen and a phone, just like obomba!), and trump's NWO regime change foreign policy. In doing so, they finally drop their mask, and their direct and open opposition to Ron Paul becomes obvious. Again, it's not about socialism. It's not about Maduro. It's about trump's NWO foreign policy of regime change, and nothing more. Trying to make it about anything else is only yet another attempt to sell us their turd sandwich.

ETA: here's a good read for some background information on obomba and trump's NWO foreign policy in Venezuela
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/01/29/the-making-of-juan-guaido-how-the-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader/
 
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And here comes the seizure of the embassy

https://www.rt.com/news/459260-venezuela-embassy-washington-seizure/
Pro-Maduro activists occupying the Venezuelan embassy in Washington have refused to vacate the premises in defiance of a notice threatening them with arrest and police entering the building but stopping short of evicting everyone.
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At least four embassy ‘protectors’ have remained inside the building and could be seen through the windows – even after police entered and left, apparently stopping short of forcefully evicting everyone - for now.
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http://www.radiohc.cu/en/noticias/internacionales/190582-caracas-blasts-us-attempt-to-dislodge-activists-from-washington-dc-embassy -building
Earlier on Monday evening, Washington D.C. police broke the padlocks to the main entrance of the embassy to deliver an eviction notice.

The four US pro-Venezuela activists inside the building have not acknowledged receipt of the notice.
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devil21 said:
The appearance of Chinese military in VZ, at the invitation of Maduro, is a big clue and fits with the ongoing narrative of "Trump" driving other countries into the arms of China, which is also a key point toward perception management of how the dollar loses global reserve standard. IOW, the people of VZ embrace the Chinese as their savior from the big bad US that's hell bent on toppling their beloved Maduro.
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Do you know that even Erik Prince of Blackwater notoriety (brother of Trump´s Education Secretary Betsy DeVos) is building a training camp in China (for a nice price I presume).
This is sort of controversial as China has been ruthlessly assaulting some minorities in the area: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...nce-to-build-training-camp-in-chinas-xinjiang
 
goldenequity said:

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1128111489376759810
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Please not this Max Blumenthal again?!?
Blumenthal has worked as a reporter for The Daily Beast, AlterNet, Al Akhbar (an Islamic website that partners with CIA-front Wikileaks), and Media Matters for America (founded by David Brock, once a fellow of the Heritage Foundation).

In one of those strange coincidences, his writer father Sidney Blumenthal was an aide to the drug trafficking, money laundering Bush cronies, President Bill Clinton and his wife Secretary of State Hillary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal


One of the “reputable” writers for The Daily Beast is the long-time friend of Donald Trump lady Forester de Rothschild: https://www.inc-cap.com/participant/lady-lynn-forester-de-rothschild/
 
Guaido/Trump claim-jumpers making their move

invisible said:
And here comes the seizure of the embassy

https://www.rt.com/news/459260-venezuela-embassy-washington-seizure/



http://www.radiohc.cu/en/noticias/i...activists-from-washington-dc-embassy-building
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Well they never claimed to be Ambassadors, they're more like security & maintenance volunteers for the owner, Venezuelan president Maduro.

“Article 45 of the Vienna Convention stipulates that even in the case that diplomatic relations are broken off, the venue of diplomatic mission is unchallengeable and its immunity remains,” added the diplomat, who recalled, however, that U.S. authorities are well known for their total disregard for international law.
http://www.radiohc.cu/en/noticias/i...activists-from-washington-dc-embassy-building
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They don't really even need diplomatic protections to just live there and take care of the place on the owners behalf, do they? Someone's got to hold the property so that the Guaido/Trump claim-jumpers don't just move in. :handpeace:
 
Firestarter said:
Please not this Max Blumenthal again?!?
Blumenthal has worked as a reporter for The Daily Beast, AlterNet, Al Akhbar (an Islamic website that partners with CIA-front Wikileaks), and Media Matters for America (founded by David Brock, once a fellow of the Heritage Foundation).

In one of those strange coincidences, his writer father Sidney Blumenthal was an aide to the drug trafficking, money laundering Bush cronies, President Bill Clinton and his wife Secretary of State Hillary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal


One of the “reputable” writers for The Daily Beast is the long-time friend of Donald Trump lady Forester de Rothschild: https://www.inc-cap.com/participant/lady-lynn-forester-de-rothschild/
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yes. Blumenthal... his 'laundry list' sounds like he likes to get paid. He has spanned the infiltrated media spectrum. so what?
I'll use my OWN filters thanks. message/messenger. thanks 4 the warning.
 
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You're no dummy, what's going on here is obvious to anyone with a brain. There were a couple articles a few days ago claiming that the coup was set in motion prematurely because the head of the intelligence service was to be arrested for treason later that morning, and had gotten wind of it. Yes, it's a standard NWO regime change operation (with the additional motive of oil, as bolton admits), but the playbook has been updated to include cyber warfare, attacks on civilian infrastructure, and a more comprehensive propaganda campaign.

But here is where the mask comes off, leaving no doubt as to what the propagandists here are shylling for. This is about trump's NWO foreign policy, and nothing else, it is not about socialism, Maduro, or whatever. Note the tactics of the shylls. They attempt to use the standard tactic of arguing the meanings of words whose definitions are self evident, such as traitor. They argue that this is not an NWO agenda, despite the people involved that trump hired, can fire at will, and whose every action is signed off on by trump. The claim here is that only bankers are the NWO, and that it doesn't include political figures, despite many various political figures attending their little globalist meetings alongside the bankers and CEO's. abrams, bolton, hello? And of course the biggest instigator in the Senate is mister "New American Century" himself, The Rube. Hello? How many ways can you spell NWO? The shylls even use The Ghoul's argument that to support Ron Paul on foreign policy is somehow blaming America first and being in favor of socialism! Then there's the claim that a foreign head of state that was fairly elected and re-elected is a dictator who must be overthrown (again, standard NWO playbook), but dictatorships like Saudi Arabia are our good buddies and helping them attack their neighbors is no big deal (not to mention other oppressive elected regeimes such as Israel).

What's so amusing is that the shylls will claim that they somehow don't support this NWO regime change foreign policy, then go on to openly oppose Ron Paul and cheerlead for it and their Authoritarian Idol. Ron Paul has clearly and repeatedly mentioned that sanctions are an act of war, yet it is argued that trump continuing obomba's NWO foreign policy in Velezuela is somehow ok because of socialism, even complete with a chart worthy of zip. Again, it's obvious to anyone with a brain that socialist and communist economies with too much central planning will collapse on their own, and there are many historical examples of that (USSR empire, Vietnam, etc, etc), in addition to comparative economic conditions in countries with "softer" socialism such as Canada and France. Central economic planning is bad and always fails, so what? Some other country's economy failing is no excuse for trump's NWO foreign policy, and no excuse to directly oppose Ron Paul. Ron Paul says that foreign policy should be according to the Golden Rule, yet the shylls will cheerlead for kicking someone when they're down, then claim that opposing this is to support socialism or blaming America (complete with a chart worthy of zippy, lol).

Then there's the shylls' obsession with immigrants. They claim that trump is doing such a wonderful job by expanding the big government police state under the guise of keeping immigrants out, then turn around and shyll for trump's NWO foreign policy that creates more immigrants, that the trump administration openly states that they then want to give "economic aid" to! In their direct opposition to Ron Paul and shylling for trump, it's impossible for them to not contradict themselves at every turn. If they are against immigration (never mind giving "economic aid" to immigrants) as they claim, and are against trump's NWO foreign policy as they claim, then they can either prove it by stopping the shylling and directly denouncing their Authoritarian Idol, or continue to directly oppose Ron Paul. They also claim to be against asset forfeiture, but say nothing about trump attempting to seize the assets of an entire foreign government and their administration officials. But of course they will never denounce their Authoritarian Idol, since they're obviously being paid to shyll for him with their 34+ posts here per day. They will only continue attempting to argue over the definitions of common words and accuse genuine Ron Paul supporters of somehow supporting socialism. They will continue to directly oppose Ron Paul by cheerleading for that long list of sanctions (acts of war), executive orders (hey, trump has a pen and a phone, just like obomba!), and trump's NWO regime change foreign policy. In doing so, they finally drop their mask, and their direct and open opposition to Ron Paul becomes obvious. Again, it's not about socialism. It's not about Maduro. It's about trump's NWO foreign policy of regime change, and nothing more. Trying to make it about anything else is only yet another attempt to sell us their turd sandwich.

ETA: here's a good read for some background information on obomba and trump's NWO foreign policy in Venezuela
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/01/29/the-making-of-juan-guaido-how-the-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader/
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What must be understood is that the "New World Order" calls for China and Russia to be higher on the totem pole than the US. The US (financially and militarily...but the former begets the latter) has mainly been a tool for advancing that agenda. The bankers and their controllers are not American nor do they care one iota about Americans.
 
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devil21 said:
What must be understood is that the "New World Order" calls for China and Russia to be higher on the totem pole than the US. The US (financially and militarily...but the former begets the latter) has mainly been a tool for advancing that agenda. The bankers and their controllers are not American nor do they care one iota about Americans.
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It's a good thing Trump is collapsing China by fighting back in the trade war then.
 
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