Another Venezuela Thread :)

[juleswin]

Spin again... You are reading, injecting, and taking out of context a concept totally false from what I just said. And the concept that there is even such a thing as an armed insurrection is absolutely 180 from the liberty movement that I have known for the last 10 years. You spout government control over the people rather than people control over the government.

ABSOLUTELY 180 FROM THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT...

Nice try though, not going to fly.

You are the one who said Invisible's definition labelled Ron Paul as treasonous when that wasn't the case. Also, the concept of armed insurrection is not always compatible with liberty especially when that insurrection is trying to subjugate the nation to foreign colonial masters.

Lovely, just funny seeing you pretend that somehow treasonous Guido is the people while the Maduro is the govt. Newsflash, both sides are the govt. One is backed by world govt and the other by democratic govt representing the people of Venezuela. You can try your bizarre logic somewhere else cos it won't fly with me

 

[juleswin]

WHAT ARMED INSURRECTION? They were disarmed and rendered as neutered or this would NEVER have happened in the first place. Fact.

Attempted, thank God the military did not respond and squashed it immediately. Any independent nation that is not threatened by the US govt would have jailed or killed everyone involved in this plot. I would expect nothing short of a death sentence if I tried to do that to the Trump administration.

 

[RonZeplin]

sparse. Caracas... about an hr ago.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_sZ3PZzT_Y&feature=player_embedded

Guaido starts off with, Si se puede (Yes, We Can)? That's the chant of the illegal alien invaders of the USA too. Heard it many times.

Plenty of Venezuelan "refugees" headed this way if Donnell's democratic rebels get their way.
Stop the invasions, of Venezuela & the USA.

 

[ATruepatriot]

You are the one who said Invisible's definition labelled Ron Paul as treasonous when that wasn't the case. Also, the concept of armed insurrection is not always compatible with liberty especially when that insurrection is trying to subjugate the nation to foreign colonial masters.

Lovely, just funny seeing you pretend that somehow treasonous Guido is the people while the Maduro is the govt. Newsflash, both sides are the govt. One is backed by world govt and the other by democratic govt representing the people of Venezuela. You can try your bizarre logic somewhere else cos it won't fly with me

Please Stop... Try to fool someone else... I am way past the semantics and on top of the root cause and effect in the bigger picture. Was before you were born into this current psyop mess. Watched it all come about play by play.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Attempted, thank God the military did not respond and squashed it immediately. Any independent nation that is not threatened by the US govt would have jailed or killed everyone involved in this plot. I would expect nothing short of a death sentence if I tried to do that to the Trump administration.

Pro government anti people...

 

[juleswin]

Please Stop... Try to fool someone else... I am way past the semantics and on top of the root cause and effect in the bigger picture. Was before you were born into this current psyop mess. Watched it all come about play by play.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Psyop clip...

 

[Swordsmyth]

Pro government anti people...

That's exactly what the leftarians allow themselves to be manipulated into supporting, no regime that denies guns to its people can ever be the "Good Guy" and you can oppose US intervention without supporting the regime but leftarians are so used to hating America that they automatically side with any enemy of the US as part of opposing intervention no matter how evil and repressive that enemy is.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Plotting a coup or plotting their independence? The armed insurrection was used to fight for our independence and every single one of those involved knew that they would be jailed or killed if their plot failed. But the Venezuelan George Washington who is not a traitor btw has no fear of being jailed because his CIA handler who are trying to make Venezuela a colony will attack the country if the people via their leader did anything to him.

So yea, I can see the similarities between Guido's coup attempt and the fight for our independence

We are forgetting about the French intervention?

 

[ATruepatriot]

We are forgetting about the French intervention?

To be fair... Jules either does not have that history in the toolbox or has listened to the wrong side of history.

 

[Swordsmyth]

To be fair... Jules either does not have that history in the toolbox or has listened to the wrong side of history.

Yes, he is a foreigner (and a good example of why allowing too many immigrants is a bad idea), that's why I didn't -Rep him for his ignorance/purposeful omission.

 

[JoshLowry]

but leftarians are so used to hating America that they automatically side with any enemy of the US as part of opposing intervention no matter how evil and repressive that enemy is.

That's because the US doesn't ever actually declare war through any semblance of a representative government.

They are as corrupt as the dictators they are ousting.

 

[ATruepatriot]

Yes, he is a foreigner (and a good example of why allowing too many immigrants is a bad idea), that's why I didn't -Rep him for his ignorance/purposeful omission.

I have nothing against Jules not being from here and that there may be a lacking of historical fact. What bothers me is the unwillingness to be object and learn the historical facts. Human nature dictates reality in every fallacy of ideology. First one must truly understand human nature and what the real cause and effect will be.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's because the US doesn't ever actually declare war through any semblance of a representative government.

They are as corrupt as the dictators they are ousting.

I agree but you can oppose the actions of the US without canonizing or cheering for the targets.

 

[JoshLowry]

I agree but you can oppose the actions of the US without canonizing or cheering for the targets.

Everyone likes to see the big bully get btfo by the little bully. That's just some physics or something...

 

[juleswin]

We are forgetting about the French intervention?

Who said I forgot about the French's very little assistance to the revolutionaries? I have never said that I was against all and every intervention, I have supported the Russian intervention in Syria, Che's interventions in the many countries he came to fight the imperialists. The problem I have is when foreign powers with help of native puppets intervene to colonize an independent state.

Also, the difference between the revolutionary war and Venezuela is that the war was going to happen and possible succeed with or without the French help, the plot to revolt wasn't planned in Paris and the Americans were actually fighting a foreign govt(The English) occupying their country.

 

[juleswin]

That's exactly what the leftarians allow themselves to be manipulated into supporting, no regime that denies guns to its people can ever be the "Good Guy" and you can oppose US intervention without supporting the regime but leftarians are so used to hating America that they automatically side with any enemy of the US as part of opposing intervention no matter how evil and repressive that enemy is.

That's exactly right, the Trumptards allow themselves to be manipulated into supporting, a regime that tries to further regulate gun ownership of its people, a regime that bombs and kills innocent people abroad because the globalists tell him to, a regime that spies on its citizens etc etc can ever be the "Good Guy" and you can oppose socialism without supporting the Trump regime but Trumptards are so used to hating free men that they automatically support the subjugation and oppression of any enemy of Trump as part of their support for anything Trump no matter how evil and repressive their policy is

Also, I only support Maduro's effort to fight off her foreign aggression. That is it

 

[devil21]

It is disgusting just how easy it is to get some people to fervently support a communist dictator like Maduro, all you have to do is portray him as a "victim" of America and they will not only oppose American intervention but grant him sainthood.

Or perhaps it is that Venezuela's resources are intentionally being turned over to the Chinese. Let's not forget that Guaido himself is a socialist, so it's not exactly like his taking of power would change the country structurally much and they are already pretty well situated to be a Chinese vassal state. It's not a far-fetched theory when one considers the "China trade talks" between high level Chinese officials and Trump cabinet members that never seem to come to any particular resolution. Surely no one really believes that it takes the better part of 2 years to work out some trade pact. There must be a lot of other agenda topics being worked out. Part of unwinding the petrodollar global reserve standard is settling outstanding debts....some of which may include using our own military, intel agencies, etc for the benefit of a creditor.

Everyone likes to see the big bully get btfo by the little bully. That's just some physics or something...

Do my eyes deceive me? The Lowry returns???

 

[juleswin]

Or perhaps it is that Venezuela's resources are intentionally being turned over to the Chinese. Let's not forget that Guaido himself is a socialist, so it's not exactly like his taking of power would change the country structurally much and they are already pretty well situated to be a Chinese vassal state. It's not a far-fetched theory when one considers the "China trade talks" between high level Chinese officials and Trump cabinet members that never seem to come to any particular resolution. Surely no one really believes that it takes the better part of 2 years to work out some trade pact. There must be a lot of other agenda topics being worked out. Part of unwinding the petrodollar global reserve standard is settling outstanding debts....some of which may include using our own military, intel agencies, etc for the benefit of a creditor.



Do my eyes deceive me? The Lowry returns???

Intentionally being turned over to the Chinese? by whom exactly? the US are in real competition with the Chinese and its the US actions that is pushing them closer and closer to Russia and China. Ofc they don't want this, that is why Guaido is scaring the Chinese by telling that that contracts made with the usurper Maduro will not be honored when he eventually takes power.

 

[devil21]

Intentionally being turned over to the Chinese? by whom exactly?

I thought my explanation was pretty clear when I said that resources of the debtor nation can be used to the benefit of the creditor nation.

the US are in real competition with the Chinese and its the US actions that is pushing them closer and closer to Russia and China.

The average Joe is in competition with the Chinese. I posit that US government hierarchy is, in fact, not in real competition with the Chinese. If you'd been paying attention to global economic news for the last 10+ years like I have, you'd know that the dumping of dollar denominated trade has been in the works for at least that long. It's been put into effect by the G20, IMF, etc. The stories we're told about economic developments by the media and talking heads in DC are never the truth.

Ofc they don't want this, that is why Guaido is scaring the Chinese by telling that that contracts made with the usurper Maduro will not be honored when he eventually takes power.

Who told you that Guaido scares the Chinese and the story about contracts? USA Today? Guaido is a socialist himself so why would he go against fellow communists?

Do yourself a favor and read these two threads:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...urt-ruling-in-Canada-debt-based-money-is-done

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?215160-Destruction-of-the-US-dollar