Another 1990's Hollywood-9/11 foreshadowing

[MelissaWV]

By that logic the human race turning into zombies and eating each other is entirely predictable. Not to mention a T-Rex on a deserted island or snakes on a plane.

Ignore the movies for a moment, as the movies make a great deal of money out of what seem like crazy things. After all, there are movies about aliens, and there are movies about nuclear fallout, and there are movies about massive earthquakes, and there are movies that include advanced technology that doesn't come about for decades later.

What is predictable, though, is that planes and skyscrapers have come into contact in the past... and it didn't end well.

On the foggy morning of Saturday, July 28, 1945, Lt. Colonel William Smith was piloting a U.S. Army B-25 bomber through New York City. He was on his way to Newark Airport to pick up his commanding officer, but for some reason he showed up over LaGuardia Airport and asked for a weather report. Because of the poor visibility, the LaGuardia tower wanted to him to land, but Smith requested and received permission from the military to continue on to Newark. The last transmission from the LaGuardia tower to the plane was a foreboding warning: "From where I'm sitting, I can't see the top of the Empire State Building."

Avoiding Skyscrapers
Confronted with dense fog, Smith dropped the bomber low to regain visibility, where he found himself in the middle of Manhattan, surrounded by skyscrapers. At first, the bomber was headed directly for the New York Central Building but at the last minute, Smith was able to bank west and miss it. Unfortunately, this put him in line for another skyscraper. Smith managed to miss several skyscrapers until he was headed for the Empire State Building. At the last minute, Smith tried to get the bomber to climb and twist away, but it was too late.

The Crash
At 9:49 a.m., the ten-ton, B-25 bomber smashed into the north side of the Empire State Building. The majority of the plane hit the 79th floor, creating a hole in the building eighteen feet wide and twenty feet high. The plane's high-octane fuel exploded, hurtling flames down the side of the building and inside through hallways and stairwells all the way down to the 75th floor.

World War II had caused many to shift to a six-day work week; thus there were many people at work in the Empire State Building that Saturday. The plane crashed into the offices of the War Relief Services of the National Catholic Welfare Conference. Catherine O'Connor described the crash: The plane exploded within the building. There were five or six seconds - I was tottering on my feet trying to keep my balance - and three-quarters of the office was instantaneously consumed in this sheet of flame. One man was standing inside the flame. I could see him. It was a co-worker, Joe Fountain. His whole body was on fire. I kept calling to him, "Come on, Joe; come on, Joe." He walked out of it.2

Joe Fountain died several days later. Eleven of the office workers were burned to death, some still sitting at their desks, others while trying to run from the flames.
One of the engines and part of the landing gear hurtled across the 79th floor, through wall partitions and two fire walls, and out the south wall's windows to fall onto a twelve-story building across 33rd Street. The other engine flew into an elevator shaft and landed on an elevator car. The car began to plummet, slowed somewhat by emergency safety devices. Miraculously, when help arrived at the remains of the elevator car in the basement, the two women inside the car were still alive.

Some debris from the crash fell to the streets below, sending pedestrians scurrying for cover, but most fell onto the buildings setbacks at the fifth floor. Still, a bulk of the wreckage remained stuck in the side of the building. After the flames were extinguished and the remains of the victims removed, the rest of the wreckage was removed through the building.

The plane crash killed 14 people (11 office workers and the three crewmen) plus injured 26 others. Though the integrity of the Empire State Building was not affected, the cost of the damage done by the crash was $1 million.

This happened on a Saturday and, while there were still people working on a Saturday, there was a considerable amount of damage done to the building, loss of life, a total loss of the plane involved (so you could see that a passenger plane would cause casualties to go up if it were used), debris that fell to the streets below, and fire that raged through the building and caused additional damage. The Empire State Building did not collapse, but that wasn't the claim that was broadcast by the Government. The claim was that no one could have foreseen planes crashing into buildings as a weapon. In reality, the fact that it had accidentally happened in the past meant that it could happen on purpose, and the Government indeed had contingency plans in place for hijackings... this was a matter of putting two and two together (a hijacking and a plane crashing into a building).

What could have been done about it, assuming the Government's timeline is true? I mean, would shooting down a passenger plane been well-received? Would shooting down four of them have been a good idea? (We're assuming there were only four; in reality no one knows whether other planes had hijackers aboard who decided to abort when the planes were later grounded....) I submit that we'd still be on these boards talking about conspiracies, and the Government would still have gone to war. Not much would have changed, other than the number of lives lost would have been a bit smaller and the "quality" of the dead would have been different. After all, part of the "Patriotic" aspect of 9/11 is that so many firemen and police officers died.

But that's off the main path. The point is that there were many clues that made what happened a distinct possibility, years before it happened.

 

[sratiug]

I didn't say they did. Here is the CBS news video on the FBI informant's audio tape discussing the bombing with an FBI agent. This has been posted here many times.

YouTube - Evidence FBI Involvement in 1993 World Trade Center Bombing Dan Rather

.............reposted it so maybe BlackTerrel will see it this time.

 

[BlackTerrel]

.............reposted it so maybe BlackTerrel will see it this time.

There's a lot of mights, buts, and allegeds in there. But I didn't see the government saying they provided the bomb. I didn't even see that "alleged". Did I miss it?

I also wonder why the MSM is never a credible source... except when it is.

 

[BlackTerrel]

What logic?
and by what kind of weird mental gymnastics do you get there?

Mental gymnastics? You said because there was a movie where something similar happened 9/11 should not have been a surprise.

By that logic when someone brings 20,000 poisonous snakes on a plane we shouldn't be surprised either.

 

[MelissaWV]

Mental gymnastics? You said because there was a movie where something similar happened 9/11 should not have been a surprise.

By that logic when someone brings 20,000 poisonous snakes on a plane we shouldn't be surprised either.

If that *did* happen, do you think the media would play clips from the movie and say it was similar?

Anyhow, read the earlier post of mine. This had already happened... in real life. A real plane had hit the Empire State Building, causing quite a bit of damage, killing people both in the plane and in the building, sending debris down to the streets below, causing a fire in the building, etc.. Other planes have hit buildings, too, but they were non-passenger planes, mostly private types with seating for a few people.

 

[pcosmar]

Mental gymnastics? You said because there was a movie where something similar happened 9/11 should not have been a surprise.

By that logic when someone brings 20,000 poisonous snakes on a plane we shouldn't be surprised either.

NO, I said that because the US government planed just such a scenario and because others have predicted such a scenario,
And still others had warned that our actions could produce an attack, (including Ron Paul) ,
That it was entirely predictable. Almost expected.

It should not have come as a surprise or a shock.
It was not Inconceivable, and had been conceived,,,several times.

 

[Slutter McGee]

I saw a B action movie where terrorists took over an oil rig. Think it was called "Blast". Obviously the producer knew what would happen with the oil spill and that it would be covered up by the government.

It was a warning we should have taken.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

 

[MelissaWV]

I saw a B action movie where terrorists took over an oil rig. Think it was called "Blast". Obviously the producer knew what would happen with the oil spill and that it would be covered up by the government.

It was a warning we should have taken.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

If an oil rig exploded in 50 years, and an even larger spill happened, would you accept the owners of the rig telling you it was "inconceivable"?