Another $17 trillion surprise found in Obamacare

[Dr.3D]

I already know what you are going to say before you say it. My free healthcare is funded from private donations so nobody is getting screwed... except you when somebody who has a lot more money than you walks right in front of you in line and gets quality care while you get his leftovers. Do you really think the measly amount of money you paid your doctor covered his nurse or his receptionist, or lab testing, or meds? Yeah probably not... so what will happen is that doctor will be nonexistent because he can no longer survive. I guess the only option is to not get sick?

If you mean the $100 dollar office call I had to pay even before my insurance started covering anything while I only spent 15 minutes talking to the physician, that coming to around $400 per hour they make in just office calls, won't cover the nurse and receptionist you have to be kidding me. The lab testing and med are mostly covered by my insurance, but still I'm pretty sure the physician and his help are getting paid enough.

Perhaps it's been so long since you actually paid for your healthcare, you have lost touch as to how much they are charging for just an office call.

 

[puppetmaster]

I already know what you are going to say before you say it. My free healthcare is funded from private donations so nobody is getting screwed... except you when somebody who has a lot more money than you walks right in front of you in line and gets quality care while you get his leftovers. Do you really think the measly amount of money you paid your doctor covered his nurse or his receptionist, or lab testing, or meds? Yeah probably not... so what will happen is that doctor will be nonexistent because he can no longer survive. I guess the only option is to not get sick?

watch the video....Dr. Paul is surviving well I am sure.

The fix is not simple and it will involve a many pronged attack. From medical schools to getting the the FDA in check.
The bottom line is the is no right to force someone to perform or pay for someone elses personal services. Does not matter what you feel is moral or just.

 

[angelatc]

I already know what you are going to say before you say it. My free healthcare is funded from private donations so nobody is getting screwed... except you when somebody who has a lot more money than you walks right in front of you in line and gets quality care while you get his leftovers. Do you really think the measly amount of money you paid your doctor covered his nurse or his receptionist, or lab testing, or meds? Yeah probably not... so what will happen is that doctor will be nonexistent because he can no longer survive. I guess the only option is to not get sick?

YOu really have no idea how much things cost, or how markets work, do you?

 

[maskander]

If you mean the $100 dollar office call I had to pay even before my insurance started covering anything while I only spent 15 minutes talking to the physician, that coming to around $400 per hour they make in just office calls, won't cover the nurse and receptionist you have to be kidding me. The lab testing and med are mostly covered by my insurance, but still I'm pretty sure the physician and his help are getting paid enough.

Perhaps it's been so long since you actually paid for your healthcare, you have lost touch as to how much they are charging for just an office call.

I went to the doctor from age 1-18 maybe 5 times? and trust me we paid our dues, the insurance companies sure made a hell of a lot of money off my dad. Prices are high right now for sure but that doesn't directly correlate to free healthcare. People aren't getting cancer more because of free healthcare, it's less people are dying/suffering now because of free healthcare.

 

[puppetmaster]

defunding isn't enough. There are things in it that are unacceptable they don't spend money on -- like the national sales tax of 3% if you sell your home -- just tons of stuff.

cmon that sounds fair...../s

 

[sailingaway]

I went to the doctor from age 1-18 maybe 5 times? and trust me we paid our dues, the insurance companies sure made a hell of a lot of money off my dad. Prices are high right now for sure but that doesn't directly correlate to free healthcare. People aren't getting cancer more because of free healthcare, it's less people are dying/suffering now because of free healthcare.

Since you have no idea of how the market works it is difficult to persuade you, but those who know how prices work know that when the person using the service doesn't care how much it costs, there is no incentive to the provider to keep costs down and prices go up -- dramatically. Even if you love 'free' health care that should worry you since it means whatever pot of money is set aside for it will run out sooner and sooner and cover less and less.

 

[puppetmaster]

I went to the doctor from age 1-18 maybe 5 times? and trust me we paid our dues, the insurance companies sure made a hell of a lot of money off my dad. Prices are high right now for sure but that doesn't directly correlate to free healthcare. People aren't getting cancer more because of free healthcare, it's less people are dying/suffering now because of free healthcare.

you really make no sense and probably in the wrong forum to sell your bill of goods. You are blaming others for your personal situation, from the insurance carriers, to doctors that charge for their services, to the customer who can afford their own healthcare. You need to look in the mirror and figure out your own personal path to freedom.

 

[maskander]

The fix is not simple and it will involve a many pronged attack. From medical schools to getting the the FDA in check.
The bottom line is the is no right to force someone to perform or pay for someone elses personal services. Does not matter what you feel is moral or just.

Agreed and agreed, but I think you are talking about a more broad issue and that is if it's legal to not pay your taxes if you don't agree how it is being spent. Not a history buff, but I assume there were movements like this in the past, civil war maybe, I don't know.

Since you have no idea of how the market works it is difficult to persuade you, but those who know how prices work know that when the person using the service doesn't care how much it costs, there is no incentive to the provider to keep costs down and prices go up -- dramatically. Even if you love 'free' health care that should worry you since it means whatever pot of money is set aside for it will run out sooner and sooner and cover less and less.

I do know the prices go up because more people need the drugs because more people are now covered to receive those drugs, so in order for the insurance companies to still make a profit they must raise fees that normal people pay in order to balance out the free stuff that is being given out... I understand that.

It's just kinda pulling the rug from underneath people who really need that care. So what healthcare costs are up 600%. It goes back to the main point of the thread, if there is 17 trillion dollars in Obamacare, then where was the supreme court hearings when we had Bush and then Bush again, and then Bush v3 spending trillions on war? and as an aside I do not want free healthcare, I'm fine taking care of myself through alternative medicine, but if the situation arises it is there. That safety net that romney was talking about.

you really make no sense and probably in the wrong forum to sell your bill of goods. You are blaming others for your personal situation, from the insurance carriers, to doctors that charge for their services, to the customer who can afford their own healthcare. You need to look in the mirror and figure out your own personal path to freedom.

Just stating my opinion is all, no need to be hostile.

 

[angelatc]

I went to the doctor from age 1-18 maybe 5 times? and trust me we paid our dues, the insurance companies sure made a hell of a lot of money off my dad. Prices are high right now for sure but that doesn't directly correlate to free healthcare.

First of all there's no such thing as free health care in this context. You're talking about 3rd party payer. And you're absolutely wrong when you assert that it does nothing to drive prices up.

Again, you really have no idea how markets work, do you?

 

[maskander]

First of all there's no such thing as free health care in this context. You're talking about 3rd party payer. And you're absolutely wrong when you assert that it does nothing to drive prices up.

Again, you really have no idea how markets work, do you?

I addressed that in my above post.

 

[Lucille]

How many gov't-run medical care programs does one country need? For crying out loud, we're lousy with them, and even so they're insufficient to meet the needs of the poor, which speaks volumes about the govt's ability to provide it for anyone and, furthermore, they have done nothing but drive costs up for everyone. It's a vicious circle, is what. The more gov't gets itself involved the higher the costs go, fewer that can afford coverage, and then gov't gets itself involved even more. The progs are evil geniuses.

"Are the needy to vote themselves whatever they want? Are the humanitarians, the third group, to vote themselves control of both the producers and the needy? (That is what they have done.)"
--Isabel Paterson

 

[Zippyjuan]

Looks like the $17 trillion figure comes from making assumptions which include that nothing changes over the next 75 YEARS.

 

[amonasro]

Looks like the $17 trillion figure comes from making assumptions which include that nothing changes over the next 75 YEARS.

So it will be more than $17 trillion then.

 

[angelatc]

I addressed that in my above post.

Fair enough. Now explain how unlimited government spending puts any downward pressure on prices. And remember these points:

Price caps create shortages, while price floors create surpluses.

Legitimate profit is the only real measure of the value of a product in a market. Government interference in markets distorts profits.

 

[TC95]

lets take care of these wars first before we take care of stopping taking care of american citizens?

that's my opinion anyway

Yeah, they're taking care of us alright. LOL

 

[PierzStyx]

lets take care of these wars first before we take care of stopping taking care of american citizens?

that's my opinion anyway

Making me unable to take care of myself, reducing my fellow citizens to the point to where they HAVE to rely on big government, through taxation and currency devaluation, is about taking care of Americans in the most important ways.

 

[oyarde]

Meh , I love private charities , hate taxes , I donate to People . I donate to my local food bank , building is funded by a church , church is paid for voluntarily by parishoners , food is given , voluntarily , by people and business in the community , staffed by volunteers , retired people , and people giving time on day off ... I have a Foundation , all driven from donations .. I explained this to one of my beloved daughters , when they were all teenagers . Works like this , I give a dollar , to , say , my Church , they give a dollar to someone and they get the whole dollar . The Evil Govt. , steals an illegal , UnConstitutional dollar from me , to gives to someone , who , they feel , is more worthy than MY children , and ... that person , may recieve nineteen cents of that stolen dollar . The remainder goes to pay for the million dollar building and 60 k govt employee to distribute what was stolen from my table . I , feel ( and know ) this is wrong . I care not , any longer , if people are really so stupid they cannot understand . I will defend what is mine when it is time , .....

 

[puppetmaster]

Meh , I love private charities , hate taxes , I donate to People . I donate to my local food bank , building is funded by a church , church is paid for voluntarily by parishoners , food is given , voluntarily , by people and business in the community , staffed by volunteers , retired people , and people giving time on day off ... I have a Foundation , all driven from donations .. I explained this to one of my beloved daughters , when she was a teenager . Works like this , I give a dollar , to , say , my Church , they give a dollar to someone and they get the whole dollar . The Evil Govt. , steals an illegal , UnConstitutional dollar from me , to gives to someone , who , they feel , is more worthy than MY children , and ... that person , may recieve nineteen cents of that stolen dollar . The remainder goes to pay for the million dollar building and 60 k govt employee to distribute what was stolen from my table . I , feel ( and know ) this is wrong . I care not , any longer , if people are really so stupid they cannot understand . I will defend what is mine when it is time , .....

perfectly said

 

[oyarde]

perfectly said

Thank you kind puppet Master.

 

[randomname]

Obama, 2010: "Obamacare will not cost a penny over $1 trillion and not add a dime to the debt."

A bit optimistic there!

Also how did this take 2 years to come out?