Announcing: Rick Williams For US Senate In California

[Brian4Liberty]

Get rid of the welfare state first. More amnesty is not the answer, it's been done before and was a miserable failure. The amount of legal immigration should be based on unemployment numbers, and a need for additional workers, not just a desire for cheap, easily intimidated labor.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Sorry, man, I dig most of your platform, but I just can't support or vote for someone who advocates such a tyrannical and draconian policy of deportation for immigrants. If you do this to win the primary and then ditch that platform ASAP, I'll consider it a wash.

If you ditch it now, PM me and we'll talk about what I can do to help you in your election efforts. I live in Riverside County.

You prefer a neo-conservative or Dianne Feinstein over a fellow Ron Paul supporter who doesn't agree with you completely on a single issue?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

On second thought, we have had hundreds of threads debating the nuances of immigration. Probably best not to derail this thread.

 

[Suzu]

This topic belongs in the "Liberty Candidates" sub-forum. Good luck with the campaign!

 

[truthsaga]

Get rid of the welfare state first. More amnesty is not the answer, it's been done before and was a miserable failure. The amount of legal immigration should be based on unemployment numbers, and a need for additional workers, not just a desire for cheap, easily intimidated labor.

It would be hard for a fellow RP supporter to win with that message. In our local groups here in San Jose we see the removal of "illegals" unnecessary to fix the problems and a dangerous tool for government to have. Imagine a large scale deportation plan being carried out by state, national guard, or who ever - going house to house, new necessary power for removal, and think about the accidental police killings of innocent people on the couch when they pick the wrong house.

We all know why our employment situations sucks; monetary policy, unions power, regulations, lack of education of Americans in desired tech fields. Ending all of the incentives is immediately necessary, but moving to kick people who have lived here for 1yr to generations is unnecessary. I am not saying they should get voting rights, social security, just to be able to operate within the state. It was bad government policy that created the immigration mess and I doubt they will do much better in patrolling the streets looking for terrorists... oh, illegals.

 

[singe22]

Think thats where your getting it wrong. Its more of we should ENFORCE the law. If someone gets arrested, goes to apply for some Federal or state programs and they come up on the radar as a illegal or unknown status then a investigation with ICE should be done.

Nowhere does he state wanting to have governement assest actively knocking on doors and patrolling streets to deport people. Part of fixing the problem is showing illegals that we will enforce laws on our books.

We need to apply the rule on how we support Ron Pauls foreign policy of what would we feel like if others did that to us. Go overstay time in a another country, they will have no problem rounding you up and escorting you to the airport.

 

[giovannile07]

Two other OUTSTANDING liberty candidates in California are running parallel campaigns with my Senate race. Christopher David for Congress in California 33rd District (Beverly Hills, Malibu, South Bay coastal); and Jenny Worman for Congress in California 28th District (Hollywood, Burbank, Glendale). Chris and Jenny are the real deal-- the three of us are running together; all operating out of the grassroots Ron Paul Headquarters office in Venice where Paul supporters are making phone calls and organizing Central Committee races for LAGOP seats every day. Southern California has become a major focal point for RP activism. Check out Chris and Jenny websites-- you'll see why I'm proud to be campaigning with them.

Oh Burbank! I have some friends in Burbank. Do you know anyone in the 42nd District who has a potential to run, my district is ran by a neoconservative Congressman Gary Miller.

 

[truthsaga]

I cannot in good conscious see the reasoning of removing non-violent offenders that were lured here by bad government policy. If we were a thriving economy all these workers would be welcomed with open arms, but since we are in the midst of a government / fed cause financial crises they have become the scape goat. We should cut are losses with bad policy and the handouts, but we should secure up the border and leave what we have as is. I have more faith in the market clearing out the productive and unproductive once we do this.

Libertad Por Todo's

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

You prefer a neo-conservative or Dianne Feinstein over a fellow Ron Paul supporter who doesn't agree with you completely on a single issue?

As if I'd vote for Feinstein or a neo-con from the Republican party. Absurd.

I'm not going to volunteer my time and energy for someone who supports a government so huge and tyrannical that it would have the tools necessary to round up and deport 15+ million people. Such a massive government would assuredly require a national ID card, additional taxing and spending to appropriately equip federal police forces to do this job, and clamp down on the contractual rights of individuals to employ anyone they so choose.

Remind me how any of this supports limited government, again?

To commenters who think my immigration policy is too harsh-- I understand your view. But I'm a lawyer, and I believe rule of law (not rule of man) is the single most significant aspect of a free society. When I say "rule of law" I mean principles that will apply with equal force to our highest elected officials and bankers; just as it does to "ordinary" citizens. I don't see how we can then turn around and say we won't apply rule of law to illegal immigrants. Rule of law means nothing if it doesn't apply to all. Guest workers-- for sure; legal immigration-- yes. But defacto amnesty for illegal immigrants? I simply can't support that concept. Over time, we need to move away from the illegal immigration culture that has gained so much prominence in the last few decades.

Seriously? You're a lawyer, and you can't see that the rules we have now are, in every sense of the word, the rule of man?

If you want to talk about principles, enforcing the policies I stated above would trample on the natural rights each and every one of us possesses. There is nothing limited government about advocating or agitating for a massive police state. Papers, please?

The correct position is to oppose mandates from the federal government that states and localities must provide government services to anyone. The goal is to reduce government involvement in our lives, not increase it. We don't trust the government to run healthcare, but we're going to equip hundreds of thousands of federal agents with more weapons and the power to point them in our faces and determine if the whims of our wise overlords are such that we are allowed us to grace their presence with our residency?

 

[Canderson]

Well we seem to be putting together a nice slate of Liberty Candidates:

Rick Williams for California Senator
Christopher David for the 33rd Congressional District
Jenny Worman for the 28th Congressional District
John Dennis for the 8th Congressional District
Gary Clift for the 10th Congressional District

am I missing any? too bad Peter Thiel isn't running, hopefully he'll be funding the above candidates though

 

[singe22]

Again i ask where does Mr Williams write anything saying he would support a Army of Feds going door to door? Troops on our borders, hmmm Ron Paul supports that. Somone with illegal status getting caught breaking the law? What dont deport them because government hasnt been doing their job?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Again i ask where does Mr Williams write anything saying he would support a Army of Feds going door to door? Troops on our borders, hmmm Ron Paul supports that. Somone with illegal status getting caught breaking the law? What dont deport them because government hasnt been doing their job?

1. How else are you to round up and deport illegal immigrants without an army of Feds and corresponding police state measures? You can't sprinkle pixie dust and make them disappear.

2. Ron Paul has rejected the idea of troops on the border several times during this campaign. He supports improving the immigration service to allow immigrants easier access to come here and work.

 

[singe22]

And again nowhere does he state he would support or attempt to start a active force going around rounding up people. He will support upholding the law of the land. Meening if someone illegal does something wrong or basically comes up on the radar , ICE will be informed instead turning a blind eye.

Using the National Guard to support border efforts to help crackdown is not a bad idea. And thats who would be supporting immigration service along with the hiring of more border patrol agents.

I know someone who is here in California illegal. And i urge her everytime to get some kind of legal status so she doesnt have to deal with the shady employment of working under the table. But she wont as long as they keep allowing her to get government aid with food stamps, social security(wtf?) and section 8.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

IMMIGRATION

The contentious issues involving legal and illegal immigration are actually quite simple to resolve if we look to rule of law as our guideline. We should protect our border; send home all immigrants who are illegally in this country; and welcome legal immigrants under programs which offer value to the American people as a whole. Once we create a renewed entrepreneurial spirit in this country by ending the Federal Reserve and utilizing sound money, a fresh America as the Great Shining City on the Hill will quickly emerge. Value–add immigrant investors and skilled workers will want to be part of it.

Doesn't get much clearer than that. If he wanted to say "send home all immigrants who have committed crimes," he could have done so.

He also said this:

Guest workers-- for sure; legal immigration-- yes. But defacto amnesty for illegal immigrants?

If illegal immigrants are living here and don't commit crimes, but are allowed to stay, Rick Williams describes this as "defacto amnesty for illegal immigrants" and refuses to accept it. What else is he suggesting than rounding them up and deporting them? How else do you round up and deport peaceful, non-criminal immigrants other than erecting a massive surveillance state with armed federal agents?

And if you want to use personal anecdotes as the basis for an illegal immigration opinion, I also live in California, and know and have worked with several illegal immigrants; none of which received welfare, and all of them and their spouses worked hard to provide for their children (if they had any).

 

[bluesc]

Let's not derail the thread. If anyone did this to a Thomas Massie thread (over him disagreeing with Paul's foreign policy) they would be banned immediately and the thread would be cleaned up.

Take debates on immigration elsewhere.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Let's not derail the thread. If anyone did this to a Thomas Massie thread (over him disagreeing with Paul's foreign policy) they would be banned immediately and the thread would be cleaned up.

Take debates on immigration elsewhere.

It's a grassroots forum thread, and I'm explaining why, as a member of the grassroots, I will not volunteer my time and energy to someone who holds certain policies. I've even explained a way to improve his platform so that I, a member of the grassroots, would then volunteer time and energy to his campaign. All of this in response to a candidate starting the thread and requesting the support of myself, other Californians, and anyone else willing to contribute. If that's not the function of the grassroots subforum, there's no reason for it to exist.

 

[singe22]

Lets not clutter his thread with this. We beg to differ. I dont want no authorities going door to door. But i'm tired of the law being ignored just because someone looks or acts harmless. Thats basically saying its ok to steal food from a grocery store because you needed to feed kids. Or a pregnant woman to hail a taxi for a ride across town, gets the ride and turns out she has no money and cant pay. The law is the law. If your status is illegal and you have a run in with any law enforcement you should be processed and setup for deportation in a respectful way.

 

[bluesc]

It's a grassroots forum thread, and I'm explaining why, as a member of the grassroots, I will not volunteer my time and energy to someone who holds certain policies. I've even explained a way to improve his platform so that I, a member of the grassroots, would then volunteer time and energy to his campaign. All of this in response to a candidate starting the thread and requesting the support of myself, other Californians, and anyone else willing to contribute. If that's not the function of the grassroots subforum, there's no reason for it to exist.

So it should become a 20 page mess because you can't support him?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

So it should become a 20 page mess because you can't support him?

Why not? The grassroots forum is so we can exchange ideas and find ways to rally support around Ron Paul and Ron Paul supporting candidates, is it not? If the mods want to split this discussion and put it in Hot Topics or the Philosophy subforums while moving the initial thread into the California subforum, so be it.

Lets not clutter his thread with this. We beg to differ. I dont want no authorities going door to door. But i'm tired of the law being ignored just because someone looks or acts harmless. Thats basically saying its ok to steal food from a grocery store because you needed to feed kids. Or a pregnant woman to hail a taxi for a ride across town, gets the ride and turns out she has no money and cant pay. The law is the law. If your status is illegal and you have a run in with any law enforcement you should be processed and setup for deportation in a respectful way.

Opposing massive surveillance measures and supporting voluntary, peaceful interaction is not in any way comparable to suggesting that it is okay to steal from another person. I understand your frustration, and propose a way to move forward while achieving both of our objectives:

Remove the welfare state, which would eliminate SS fraud, section 8 fraud, etc.

 

[truthsaga]

Who cares if it is a 20 page thread. Feeding and I both live in CA and I have first hand experience on the immigration issue. We are just trying to get a clearer picture of Williams position, but everyone assumes just because someone say's they are a RP Republican we need to give blind support or be banned?

Your tired of the law being ignored? I am tired of people ignoring what causes the problem and the economic arguments. You don't want troops in Iran, but your tired of international law being ignored as well?