Anita Andrews Campaign Claim- Verify and I'll Send RP a Check

[njjack]

I'm going to this thing tonight, so I'll see if she makes those sorts of claims. If she does, I'll get further information to back it up and permission to quell the rumors on here.

mdh, just make sure to wear a powerful amulet of protection. This anita person seems to have people hypnotized using some document they call a nda. Please if you can help it do not fall to the dark side, your our only hope.

 

[mdh]

mdh, just make sure to wear a powerful amulet of protection. This anita person seems to have people hypnotized using some document they call a nda. Please if you can help it do not fall to the dark side, your our only hope.

Well, I won't violate an NDA if I sign it, but I will certainly push her for permission to clear up any misunderstandings we have here, and I will certainly be more candid with everyone than others who have attended seem to be. I am adept at asking the tough questions.

 

[tmg19103]

Since the campaign backs Andrews I'm keeping an open mind. If anybody is uncomfortable with the non-disclosure, then don't go to her training.

However, I have no problem signing a non-disclosure to learn info that can help get RP elected. Will I take her word as gospel? No, but I will keep a very open mind and listen to what she has to say.

The key for Ron Paul right now is name recognition and for the grassroots to provide more of a mainstream America message. I know that flies in the face of many of our convictions, but do we want to get RP elected or not?

Nobody is saying you have to take her advice or sign her non-dislosure. You certainly don't have to, but since she has to the full backing of the camapign I'm not going to knock her and I am going to keep a very open mind with her suggestions.

The key is to get RP elected, and if some her ideas don't jibe with mine, but IF they will get RP more votes if I implement them in my grassroots efforts, then I am going to do so.

I see this as by no means as a sell out because I think RP is the last chance we have on having any form of government reform, and since RP backs her I will listen with a very open mind and I while I might not agree with everything she has to say, I am willing to do whatever it takes to get RP elected.

If some feel that she is not beneficial, that is fine. Do your own thing, but please don't tell others what to do. That is one of the big points of RP's campaign - personal responsibility and having the freedom to do what you want.

I'm keeping an open mind about Andrews, but that is me. If you are suspicious of her methods, that's fine. However, we should all keep an open mind and not pigeon hole her, or as RP says, close down the big tent.

My goal is to get RP elected and I'm putting my ego aside.

 

[angelatc]

No the controversy comes from her requiring people to sign no disclosuer agreements. With out that there probably wouldn't have been a problem. I can gaurantee that I will not go to one of her meeting under those kind of conditions. I would not go to a campaign meeting headed by Ron Paul under those kind of conditions.

Then you're acting like a 12 year old, and you're punishing nobody but yourself.

There's official campaign stuff in the packet that hasn't been released yet. She'd be retarded if she didn't insist on keeping it quashed until the right time.

Get over yourself.

 

[specsaregood]

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[njjack]

NJJACK, Why don't you go to her meeting in philly on Sunday?

I must say, I am intrigued by this mystery around her.

I'll be sitting in on the meeting this weekend, I'm very interested to find out if she has any info that can help grassroots efforts. I was half joking with my post, ala star wars princess lea

 

[Matt Collins]

She said she had 3 kids, and has been doing this for 30 years. She also wasn't wearing a wedding ring. So it is possible the reason we can't find any information on her is because she is either going under a pseudonym, or more likely, she is going by her maiden/married name etc..

 

[mdh]

She said she had 3 kids, and has been doing this for 30 years. She also wasn't wearing a wedding ring. So it is possible the reason we can't find any information on her is because she is either going under a pseudonym, or more likely, she is going by her maiden/married name etc..

Interesting point, and a very possible one.

 

[CMoore]

An interesting presentation

I attended her presentation and found it very interesting. Do not be put off by the NDA, however. I read every word of if and had no problem signing it. I believe the main reason she has the NDA is this: She has quite a bit of material and it is very useful and informative material. I learned a lot. She has a process for getting a candidate elected and it sounds pretty good to me. She does not want people just simply copying and distributing her stuff wholesale. She has a copywrite notice on her stuff. However in order to enforce her copywrite and prevent people from ripping her off, she has to take some steps to protect her intellectual property rights in her stuff. That way if someone rips her off and she wants to take them to court to enforce these rights, she can show she has taken some steps to protect her rights. Hence the NDA. It would be pointless for her to just sue people who have never tried to rip her off. Your defense would be, "I did not do it" and the burden would be on her to show that you had.

BTW, I believe she is right. I realize that we can't depend on "True Believers" to put Ron Paul in the White House. We are going to have to appeal to the masses who care more about American Idol than they do politics.

 

[catwoman]

This thread has gotten waaay off track. The OP simply wanted to know if anyone had information as to a specific campaign Ms. Andrews stated that she worked on. The OP further said if anyone could find that information he would donate $250 to the RP campaign. His post did mention the NDA at all.

 

[libertarian4321]

She said she had 3 kids, and has been doing this for 30 years. She also wasn't wearing a wedding ring. So it is possible the reason we can't find any information on her is because she is either going under a pseudonym, or more likely, she is going by her maiden/married name etc..

Oh come on, whats with the "cloak and dagger" stuff? She's a campaign consultant, she's not infiltrating the KGB.

Why can't she openly discuss her (alleged) experience? She has "30 years of experience, a 92% win rate, and the great $30million vs. $300k upset" and she can't give you ANY information about any of this (alleged) experience?

Don't give me the "because she did it for another party" crap- thats BS- political consultants switch teams all the time, and they aren't shy about crowing about their victories. This woman won't even tell anyone ANYTHING she's done "in 30 years"?

It smells BAD, folks.

To me it sounds like she's a BS artist who really DOES NOT HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE (or hasn't been very successful) and doesn't want us to know that she doesn't really know what she's doing.

You know what, I don't have a problem with working with someone who doesn't have the experience of a James Carville or Dick Morris- this campaign can't afford those kind of folks.

What I do have a problem with is DISHONESTY and unnecessary "secrets".

One of the reasons I support Ron Paul is because he isn't full of crap like the rest- I expect the same kind of openness and honesty from the people he hires.

I suspect I'm not the only one who feels this way.

If this woman is the super-experienced giant killer she claims to be, GIVE US SOMETHING TO PROVE IT, not just "believe me because I say its so"- I don't fall for that crap from used car salesmen, late-night "get rich" gurus, or the President of the United States, why should I believe it from some staffer?

 

[M.Bellmore]

You mean all those homes I bought for $1 aren't any good?

 

[Cowlesy]

I'm pumped for Anita. She seems like she is working her ass off for all of us. She is WVA today, NYC Saturday all day and then getting down to Philadelphia on Sunday.

She's all over the map and trying to help us, she sounds like a great dedicated consultant and judging by what a lot of folks have said about her presentation, it's going to be of great value to our team!

 

[american.swan]

I am sorry Sem, but that analogy does not work. Ron Paul is paying her. It is no longer her property but his. Ron Paul is not paying us. We are not working for anyone. In your analogy the owner owns the team, the coach, the players and the playbook.

Here is the main problem. If you sign a nondiscloser agreement it will open you up to all kinds of liability. The point of such an agreement is to derive a benefit from information but not to compromise the person giving it to you. We are recieving no benifit (the campaign is) and we are protecting Andrews, but putting our neck on the line in the form of liability. This is not a smart idea to me. (If you want to assume that liability for the information, then that is fine).

How can I as a meetup leader implement anything that she says if I can't tell my meetup members about it?

How can people who can't go get the information?

What if we are already doing or have thought of what she is telling us? Can we now not do those things or talk about them?

What if next year after this campaign cycle is all over and I want to help someone else run for political office? Can I not help them because I have signed some stupid agreement?

I highly doubt anything that she says will be beyond what most political strategist already know. So how is what she has to offer so special? Why would another campaign want to steal what they already know?

This agreement is a HUGE problem in my opininon. I will not ever sign one under these conditions.

--Dustan

BTW I have signed nondiscloseur agreements before when they were merited. For instance I worked as an Extra on a Tarantino movie and we had in our possesion parts of the script. In that instance I signed the agreement.

Good Post

 

[OURPLAN]

Please respect A, and do not discuss her anymore.
Loose lips, sink ships.
Just work on supporting Ron Paul!

Go Ron Paul!

 

[Nefertiti]

She said she had 3 kids, and has been doing this for 30 years. She also wasn't wearing a wedding ring. So it is possible the reason we can't find any information on her is because she is either going under a pseudonym, or more likely, she is going by her maiden/married name etc..

For God's sake, I don't wear my wedding ring most of the time! That's because I developed an allergy to the nickel content in the gold and I break out in a rash if I wear it over an extended period of time.

My husband doesn't wear his because when he wears silver it turns black in a week-some sort of chemical reaction.

You people sound like the idiot consular officer at the American Embassy in Cairo when we went for my husband's immigrant visa application. She was obsessed with the ring issue when we had already been married for nearly 5 years! As if rings would prove our marriage was real when there were plenty more substantial questions she could have asked.

 

[Matt Collins]

For God's sake, I don't wear my wedding ring most of the time! That's because I developed an allergy to the nickel content in the gold and I break out in a rash if I wear it over an extended period of time.

My husband doesn't wear his because when he wears silver it turns black in a week-some sort of chemical reaction.

You people sound like the idiot consular officer at the American Embassy in Cairo when we went for my husband's immigrant visa application. She was obsessed with the ring issue when we had already been married for nearly 5 years! As if rings would prove our marriage was real when there were plenty more substantial questions she could have asked.

It was just a guess... geeze... lay off. I was simply speculating as to why we couldn't find anything after Googling for "Anita Andrews". The only thing I can think of is that perhaps she is divorced or widowed because she wasn't wearing a wedding ring. That would make perfect sense. It's not proof, but it wouldfit with the facts.

 

[McDermit]

Missouri's Ammendment 2 Campaign might fit the bill?

 

[Nefertiti]

You won't find everyone's name on the internet, especially if they are older. Try Googling some high school classmates, even the males, and you may find nothing on them.

 

[Nefertiti]

It was just a guess... geeze... lay off.

Guess about what? What difference does it make whether she is married or has kids? How does it impact her doing her job? Why is it your business to know? I thought everyone here supported the idea of preserving people's privacy but you now are complaining you can't find enough private information about someone who works for Ron Paul and suggest that is a reason to be suspicious of her?