Angry Mob of Racist Extremists Beats Black Man at Town Hall Meeting

[InterestedParticipant]

At the point, a small minority's mere non-participation in Hegelian dialectics is too little, too late. We need a way of reaching other people.

Good luck running in circles and chasing your tail, because that's exactly what you'll be doing until you collapse from exhaustion.

You know, you'd be much better off taking a year off and actually reading the works of the planners, then you might actually have a chance of fending off their techniques.

But I assume you'll never do that, nor will you ever listen to anyone who has. They got you right where they want you, and you won't even invest the time to stop and see it.

 

[Mini-Me]

Good luck running in circles and chasing your tail, because that's exactly what you'll be doing until you collapse from exhaustion.

You know, you'd be much better off taking a year off and actually reading the works of the planners, then you might actually have a chance of fending off their techniques.

But I assume you'll never do that, nor will you ever listen to anyone who has. They got you right where they want you, and you won't even invest the time to stop and see it.

Au contraire, they have both of us right where they want us: In the extreme minority. Do you honestly think it makes a difference if you or I alone are able to "fend off their techniques?"

You seem to think you alone have it figured out, but since it's just you by yourself...how is that working out for you? Are you able to live completely free and conduct your business entirely out in the open, without giving the government a hefty cut or worrying about retribution if you don't? The very fact that you're posting here indicates that you're obviously still not 100% satisfied with the world you live in, and you're wanting to reach more people. Since that's exactly the kind of thing I suggested we need to do before you shot it down, wouldn't that mean you're "running in circles and chasing your tail" as well?

Hey, here's another Hegelian dialectic for you!
Problem (created by the establishment): The establishment has a stranglehold on politics, and we're the few who know about it.
Reaction (that they hope we will have): Despair and/or apathy.
Solution (that they present to us and guide us to): Do nothing, because ANYTHING we do strengthens the enemy, who has set up the greatest Xanatos Gambit of all time. Only complete passivity will disempower them, (we should ignore that pesky little problem that we'd need a shit ton more people on our side already for mere non-participation to have any effect...and if we DO speak with anyone, it's probably best to go ahead and speak in vague riddles and a tone of superiority).

Are you SURE you've escaped their dialectics, InterestedParticipant?

 

[BenIsForRon]

Benis,

Why are you making this a Republican vs. Democrat fight?

The people that showed up in my district in opposition were not from the Republican party. I don't know the party affiliations of those speaking in support of the health care "reform" at that Town Hall meeting (except for the congresswoman, who is a Democrat).

I'm against it, and I'm not a Republican.

No violence either. Benis, where have you seen the opposition using violence? Is this isolated or part of a pervasive plan?

Ben (is for Ron)

I was mistaken about republicans initiating violence, I guess there's really only been two incidents so far and it was Union meat-heads both times.

Either way, things aren't going to get better, because the Dems are responding to the Repubs by sending the Union guys out.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't really answer your question. According to what I've seen, Fox News/Limbaugh (probably at the behest of powerful lobbies such as insurance) are telling their people to go to these things and raise hell. Now we've seen that the democrats are trying to get their base to go out there, and so far they've gotten a lot of union people out there. So this is becoming heavily partisan. I think the reason for this is because both sides think what happens with this bill will make a huge difference on who comes out on top in 2010. One repub referred to it as Obama's "waterloo".

Now think about it, you have a bunch of obnoxious Republicans against the bill, and a bunch of meat-head union workers for the bill. Do you think we're going to have anything constructive come out of this?

This is where C4L comes in. We have to show up as much as we can to add some sanity to the mix, pass out literature, explain the hidden interests (big pharma) and so on. If we have a big enough presence, people will remember us as the level headed folks with cool ideas.

I've done some "rallies" here on campus where our C4L groups just sets up tables with info about monetary policy, foreign policy, and so on. Because of our friendly attitudes and new ideas, we have a lot of people coming by willing to listen.

 

[Yieu]

why do we always blame the beater for being racist and never the beaten for being black?

Go be racist elsewhere!

I've seen enough posts by this user (who joined two months ago and has over 2,000 posts) that hint at racism (or are just plain racist) that it makes me think it's the beginnings of some sort of false flag style racially motivated crime and once it has been committed, they'll say "...and he was a senior member at the ron paul forums" in an effort to discredit us.

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[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I'm saying that most of you need to understand that these angry republicans are not helping anything. There have been town halls where the anti-public option republicans were much more civil and didn't yell. Guess what? They didn't get kicked out!

These overly angry people are only stifling the debate.

How is simply yelling when people refuse to listen to you a display of anger? These people should have been flooding town halls and state houses and congress years ago shouting at the top of their lungs and if they had I dare say we would not be in this situation today. The fact is that our government does not listen to us and they wish to silence dissent. These big government types have not yet begun to hear our anger let alone feel it and the time is soon where real violence will be not only possible but a grim reality and perhaps it is "radical" to say but THANK GOD!

The time to play nice is over. The time resist in a civil fashion is quickly running out. These people want to finish off what is left of our once glorious republic and you better believe that when the time comes to move that I will FIGHT for this country.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

au contraire, they have both of us right where they want us: In the extreme minority. Do you honestly think it makes a difference if you or i alone are able to "fend off their techniques?"

Yes!

The public does their work for them. We implement and carry out their plans. Refusing to do their dirty work is not doing nothing!

It's about retaining our humanity, that's how we win. They can only carry out their plans by ponerizing the public, which is what is occurring. Throw off their psychopathy and things will quickly return to normal and humanity will regain control. Again, this is not doing nothing, this is about making very important choices and following those decisions.

This is about hundreds of millions of individual choices. People must see they are making bad choices, this is what needs to be done. Fighting a small cadre of psychopaths who are experts at manipulating humanity will simply result in humanity moving away from itself, which is exactly what is happening.

 

[BenIsForRon]

How is simply yelling when people refuse to listen to you a display of anger? These people should have been flooding town halls and state houses and congress years ago shouting at the top of their lungs and if they had I dare say we would not be in this situation today. The fact is that our government does not listen to us and they wish to silence dissent. These big government types have not yet begun to hear our anger let alone feel it and the time is soon where real violence will be not only possible but a grim reality and perhaps it is "radical" to say but THANK GOD!

The time to play nice is over. The time resist in a civil fashion is quickly running out. These people want to finish off what is left of our once glorious republic and you better believe that when the time comes to move that I will FIGHT for this country.

You just made my point for me. YOU need to stay away from town halls.

By the way, if you think the people that are really behind the fleecing of our country are "socialists", then you're not paying attention.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

You just made my point for me. YOU need to stay away from town halls.

By the way, if you think the people that are really behind the fleecing of our country are "socialists", then you're not paying attention.

No sir, I hate to disagree but I am EXACTLY the type that needs to be involved because if people were less willing to put up with this bullshit in the first place than we would probably not be in this position today.

As for the socialist statement, I think a lot of people are behind our fleecing and please don't ever accuse me of not paying attention.

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

You just made my point for me. YOU need to stay away from town halls.

By the way, if you think the people that are really behind the fleecing of our country are "socialists", then you're not paying attention.

The ones fleecing our country want US to be socialists so they will have less competition and continue to become more powerful with their elitist ways. Its control and power over a people who will be driven to learn how to become ever so increasingly dependent on them. I agree with JD. People need to learn that we are business and mean business before we lose EVERYTHING. We are very close to that point. I have very little to lose. I'm sure there is a lot of people like me as well. We are tired of it!

 

[BenIsForRon]

I guess I gotta go through this again... I'm not saying don't go, I'm saying be more organized, don't just yell the representative out of the room. Ask hard hitting, pointed questions, MAKE THEM ANSWER, NO SOUND BITES. Get as many fellow liberty lovers out there as you can. Pass out literature to BOTH republicans and democrats.

If you just yell them out of the room, all you did was not get to ask questions, and piss off a lot of other people. People that MIGHT have been persuaded by your ideas, but now they think you're crazy.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I guess I gotta go through this again... I'm not saying don't go, I'm saying be more organized, don't just yell the representative out of the room. Ask hard hitting, pointed questions, MAKE THEM ANSWER, NO SOUND BITES. Get as many fellow liberty lovers out there as you can. Pass out literature to BOTH republicans and democrats.

If you just yell them out of the room, all you did was not get to ask questions, and piss off a lot of other people. People that MIGHT have been persuaded by your ideas, but now they think you're crazy.

These people are willingly destroying our country... the time to be nice is over.. asking questions is fine but they have even ignored those and when that does not work they just walk out. So if they ignore you than you must do what you need to do to make it impossible for them to do so.

 

[BenIsForRon]

These people are willingly destroying our country... the time to be nice is over.. asking questions is fine but they have even ignored those and when that does not work they just walk out. So if they ignore you than you must do what you need to do to make it impossible for them to do so.

What is happening out the town halls is only further dividing the country. The tone needs to be changed, and we can be part of that.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Divide and conquer"? Well, that's what they're doing. I guess you don't care though, you just wanna RAISE HELL!!!

 

[InterestedParticipant]

I guess I gotta go through this again... I'm not saying don't go, I'm saying be more organized, don't just yell the representative out of the room. Ask hard hitting, pointed questions, MAKE THEM ANSWER, NO SOUND BITES. Get as many fellow liberty lovers out there as you can. Pass out literature to BOTH republicans and democrats.

If you just yell them out of the room, all you did was not get to ask questions, and piss off a lot of other people. People that MIGHT have been persuaded by your ideas, but now they think you're crazy.

I agree with this approach. It's called being an Adult!

Just realize that you are walking into a trap, and hence, should be aware of the techniques that the trappers will use to snare you. Don't go until you've summarily understand the Delphi Technique that change agents use to manipulate groups.

 

[BenIsForRon]

I agree with this approach. It's called being an Adult!

Just realize that you are walking into a trap, and hence, should be aware of the techniques that the trappers will use to snare you. Don't go until you've summarily understand the Delphi Technique that change agents use to manipulate groups.

Dude, weren't you gone for a while? Can you do that again, except permanently this time?

 

[Sandra]

Someone posted a whole list of those techniques at one time. I think it was here.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Yes I have heard that term. have you ever heard of the word "enslaved"? These people rely on us to be nice and polite and usually that is fine and would agree with you 100% but these people have proven that they do not care what we think and they will just do what they want because they believe that we will do nothing about it.

If you ask someone the same question 100 times and they ignore you or lie to you 100 times do you just keep asking the same question in the same tone of voice?

So yes maybe I do want to raise hell and I fail to see what is wrong with that. Somebody sure as hell needs to and it is obvious it will not be you.

What is happening out the town halls is only further dividing the country. The tone needs to be changed, and we can be part of that.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Divide and conquer"? Well, that's what they're doing. I guess you don't care though, you just wanna RAISE HELL!!!

 

[BenIsForRon]

Thousands of people politely called their congressman and sent them letters about 1207, now it has 282 cosponsors. Not all reps are evil incarnate.

 

[Sandra]

Thousands of people politely called their congressman and sent them letters about 1207, now it has 282 cosponsors. Not all reps are evil incarnate.

Precisely! This was done SOLELY from constituents pressuring their Congressmen.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

but it still has not gone through. There were also record numbers of calls,letters,e-mails and confrontations about the corporate bailouts and they swore up and down that they were listening and that they cared and then they turned around and voted to bail out their wall street buddies anyway... I don't know how anyone in this movement (and anyone period really) could have faith that our government "officials" are going to do the right thing. I agree with you in that the first line should be to respectfully address them about an issue but more times than not they make it painfully obvious that they do not give a crap what we think or how we feel. So if it takes showing up at a meeting and getting nasty to get results than you do it.

Thousands of people politely called their congressman and sent them letters about 1207, now it has 282 cosponsors. Not all reps are evil incarnate.

 

[BenIsForRon]

So if it takes showing up at a meeting and getting nasty to get results than you do it.

This is where we disagree. I guess you think yelling down your rep will scare them into withdrawing their support? I doubt it.

It's more about changing other people's minds. If people see Campaign for Liberty folks making an ass of themselves, then they will be less likely to listen to us on other things. We need to build credibility, not get lumped into the Limbaugh crowd.