Andrew P. Napolitano: The CIA and Its Torturers

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"Let justice be done though the heavens fall."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/andrew-p-napolitano/arrest-the-cia/

The report is damning in the extreme to the Bush administration and to the CIA leadership. It offers proof that the CIA engaged in physical and psychological torture, some of which was authorized — unlawfully, yet authorized — most of which was not. The report also demonstrates that CIA officials repeatedly lied to the White House and to Senate regulators about what they were doing, and they lied about the effectiveness of their torture.

If the allegations in the report are true, we have war criminals, perjurers, computer hackers and thugs on the government payroll. We also have dupes. The most politically successful argument the torture lobby has made is that we are all safer because of these dirty deeds. This Senate report refutes that argument by demonstrating that no serious actionable intelligence came from the torture.

All torture is criminal under all circumstances — under treaties to which the U.S. is a party, under the Constitution that governs the government wherever it goes, and under federal law. Torture degrades the victim and the perpetrator. It undermines the moral authority of a country whose government condones it. It destroys the rule of law. It exposes our own folks to the awful retaliatory beheadings we have all seen. It is slow, inefficient, morbid and ineffective. It is a recruiting tool for those who have come to cause us harm. All human beings possess basic inalienable rights derived from the natural law and protected by the Constitution the CIA has sworn to uphold. Torture violates all of those rights.

I wish the judge would run for pres.
 
"Let justice be done though the heavens fall."
I wish the judge would run for pres.

What should we make of this report on government torture? In a free society in which the government works for us, we have a right to know what it is doing in our names, and we have a reasonable expectation that the laws the government enforces against us it will enforce against itself. But don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen.


I love the judge. Of course, he's spot on.

I can't help but read his articles in his voice.
 
"Let justice be done though the heavens fall."
Didnt hear that saying in a long time.


In Roman Empire a man was accused of killing his neighbor. At a trial he was found guilty. Sentence = execution at public square. People of the town gathered to see murdered getting his just punishment. Big crowd attracted his neighbor, who just returned from a trip. He went to see what is going on and was noticed by the people. Executioner didnt know what to do. They all went to city seniors to seek an answer. They too didnt know what to do because he was found guilty and they were afraid to break the law and set convicted but innocent man free. Then all of them went to governor but he too was confused and didnt dare to make a ruling. Yada yada yada... Case went to emperor himself. This was his ruling:
Accused must be executed because he was found guilty and law must be followed.
Executioner must be executed because he didnt follow the law and did his duty.
Neighbor(the one that everyone thought was killed) must be killed because this fast was established at a trial.
Emperors last words were:
"Let justice be done though the heavens may fall."

Point that emperor made very clearly to all his subjcts is: Justice is what I say and justice is what is written in my laws. My word is the law and justice is what I say.
 
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Thanks, Barrex. That's one negative interpretation of it anyway. Most people see it in the positive--that justice must be done no matter the consequences.

That goes for the Bush admin., the CIA and its torturers, the banksters and their partners in crime in CONgress, President Kill List Tuesday, and cops who go about murdering innocent people (to name a few).
 
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/...ed-there-will-be-no-prosecutions-for-torture/

The Justice Department has already ruled out any criminal prosecution for torture. This is another example of the conflict of interest when government is the EXCLUSIVE prosecutor. This is why we need the office of a Roman Tribune. That was a person independent from the politicians who could criminally bring charges against anyone.

What do you guys think of that idea?

Without criminal prosecutions of the people who made those decisions to torture people, the USA will lose all its credibility internationally of what does remain.

And what little moral authority it had left.
 
John Yoo: If the Torture Report Is True, CIA Officers Are at Legal Risk
A surprising admission by an attorney who was instrumental in enabling the Bush Administration's brutal interrogation practices
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...e-cia-interrogators-are-at-legal-risk/383790/

if these things happened as they are described in the report, as you describe them, those were not authorized by the Justice Department. They were not supposed to be done and those people who did those are at risk legally because they were acting outside their orders.

Even the attorney who famously said that it might be legal for the president to order an innocent child's testicles to be crushed thinks that some of what the CIA did was illegal. He's just a step away from acknowledging that the law compels a prosecution.
 
The Justice Department has already ruled out any criminal prosecution for torture. This is another example of the conflict of interest when government is the EXCLUSIVE prosecutor. This is why we need the office of a Roman Tribune. That was a person independent from the politicians who could criminally bring charges against anyone.

What do you guys think of that idea?

Tribunes would have to be elected or appointed - and either way, they would end up being political creatures beholden to special interests.
We need fewer such "offices" - NOT more. What's wrong with just letting any citizen present cases for consideration to grand juries?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-in-Congress&p=5730536&viewfull=1#post5730536
 
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