"And there's no way - no way - I'll vote for Romney." - Read on, this may be THE issue.

[Tod]

I just sent Joe Drinon a friend request on Facebook. Couldn't just send him a message, unfortunately (he has it turned off, presumably to avoid spammers)

If he responds, I'll send him a link to the RP article...

 

[Lesgov]

Hey there neighbor, This is a great topic for northern NH. NH already produces more electricity than it uses. All this power is going south, they just want our land!

 

[Anti Federalist]

Hey there neighbor, This is a great topic for northern NH. NH already produces more electricity than it uses. All this power is going south, they just want our land!

Glad to see you weighed in on this one!

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Aren't they considered "Public Utilities"?

Doesn't this fall under Safety and Public general welfare of the people with the daily use of Utility power?

I don't support anyone's land, property, etc, taken away, but the millions spent retaining 'Lawyer-Up" corporations and socialist government entities always appear to find the loopholes, payoffs, and support to push their agenda public or private.

~40% of New Hampshire republican voters appear to support the main socialist amongst the 2012 candidates and a horrific record at supporting fascists/plutocrats.

Snapshot @ 2008

 

[Tod]

Mr. Drinon accepted my friend request and has seen the links...

Any thoughts on where to go from here?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Mr. Drinon accepted my friend request and has seen the links...

Any thoughts on where to go from here?

If you want someone at the presidential level that is on the record as opposing eminent domain takings for Northern Pass, vote Ron Paul.

And if you think no politician can be trusted, just look at his record.

 

[beardedlinen]

Hrm. Anyone know if Paul has been talking about Northern Pass during his NH visits? An ad tailored to angry NH primary-goers would be nice. Anyway to contact the campaign about making this a larger issue? I assume they're waiting for the right time to brandish it.

 

[osan]

[Art.] 12-a. [Power to Take Property Limited.] No part of a person's property shall be taken by eminent domain and transferred, directly or indirectly, to another person if the taking is for the purpose of private development or other private use of the property.

November 7, 2006

Poorly worded and readily defeated, IMO. It can be strongly argued that the ED seizures are NOT ultimately for private use, but for PUBLIC use to be administered by a privately held utility provider. Not saying it it legitimate, but where large sums are involved nearly anything is possible. Defense against such corruption and avarice requires better words. Even then...

 

[KCIndy]

Nice... how do we push that Paul response to Northern Pass to NH residents?

Full page ad in a few local newspapers?

 

[Dianne]

I didn't even know a Romney vote was possible in this forum. We are all blood brothers... no one gets my vote except Ron Paul.. If the fricken GOP wants to lose, so be it for their treatment of the only candidate worth going to the polls for... Ron Paul.

The GOP maggots will never learn, until we prove it to them; that we are election busters... and no Federal Reserve owned candidates are going to become President on the GOP side.

 

[beardedlinen]

I didn't even know a Romney vote was possible in this forum. We are all blood brothers... no one gets my vote except Ron Paul.. If the fricken GOP wants to lose, so be it for their treatment of the only candidate worth going to the polls for... Ron Paul.

The GOP maggots will never learn, until we prove it to them; that we are election busters... and no Federal Reserve owned candidates are going to become President on the GOP side.

AntiFederalist was quoting someone in that article. He wasn't speaking for himself or anyone else on the forum.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Post card mailers? Hang tags? Hand outs? Cards under windshield wipers?

My experience has been that hanging bags on doorknobs is ridiculously effective. Mind you, we included stuff like...the Constitution...but I imagine a doorknob hangtag would be very effective here.

 

[Anti Federalist]

My experience has been that hanging bags on doorknobs is ridiculously effective. Mind you, we included stuff like...the Constitution...but I imagine a doorknob hangtag would be very effective here.

I likee.

While I hate the idea of banging on people's doors to pester them uninvited, a lit drop in a "permitted" place is a great idea, I think.

 

[eduardo89]

AF, I'm wondering why you're so against this. Is it the eminent domain? Is it because they're getting the electricity from Canada? Are you against it because of the way the towers will affect the landscape?

Would you be against it if they bought the land from the owners?
What's wrong with it being a Canadian company? (I read it'll be owned by Northeast Utilities, not Hydro Quebec)

 

[Anti Federalist]

AF, I'm wondering why you're so against this. Is it the eminent domain? Is it because they're getting the electricity from Canada? Are you against it because of the way the towers will affect the landscape?

Would you be against it if they bought the land from the owners?
What's wrong with it being a Canadian company? (I read it'll be owned by Northeast Utilities, not Hydro Quebec)

It's my understanding that the project is a three way joint venture between Hydro Quebec, NSTAR and Northeast Utilities.

My first and foremost objection is the inevitable eminent domain takings to benefit a private company.

My second objection is destruction of pristine landscape, for power that is not for us in NH, but heading south into Massachusetts and Connecticut.

My third objection is the ridiculous idea that while we are blowing up and destroying hydro power dams all across the Northeast, we'll buy hydro power from Canada instead. Just another example of tearing apart our infrastructure and manufacturing, just to send it to another country. Canada is a heavily regulated, relatively socialist nation, with a history of environmental progressiveness. What the flying fuck is going on that makes it cheaper to generate electricity hundreds of miles away in another country instead while destroying capacity here?

 

[eduardo89]

It's my understanding that the project is a three way joint venture between Hydro Quebec, NSTAR and Northeast Utilities.

My first and foremost objection is the inevitable eminent domain takings to benefit a private company.

My second objection is destruction of pristine landscape, for power that is not for us in NH, but heading south into Massachusetts and Connecticut.

My third objection is the ridiculous idea that while we are blowing up and destroying hydro power dams all across the Northeast, we'll buy hydro power from Canada instead. Just another example of tearing apart our infrastructure and manufacturing, just to send it to another country. Canada is a heavily regulated, relatively socialist nation, with a history of environmental progressiveness. What the flying fuck is going on that makes it cheaper to generate electricity hundreds of miles away in another country instead while destroying capacity here?

Ok I completely agree with the eminent domain part of the argument and perhaps a bit on the landscape argument.

The objection about the electricity coming from Canada I don't really understand. If it can be produced cheaper there, which obviously it can be, isn't that good for consumers in the US? Also, this energy is most likely 100% renewable and clean, as over 93% of Hydro Quebec's power is from hydroelectric plants. I think the fact that Quebec has such huge hydro projects is what makes it so cheap. It was the same in British Columbia where I used to live. We had extremely cheap electricity and even exported quite a bit to Washington State, Oregon and all the way down to California.

It's unfortunate that capacity is being lost in the US, but many times it's more expensive to rebuild aging infrastructure than to import, as is the case here I presume.




Edit: I think a lot of the power will be coming from this series of plants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bay_Project They have a combined capacity of 16,000 megawatts with more capacity being added.

 

[specsaregood]

My second objection is destruction of pristine landscape, for power that is not for us in NH, but heading south into Massachusetts and Connecticut.

Is this because those MA and CT folk are too good to build windmill farms off their own coast?

Speaking of destruction, the first thought that occurred to me is that if this is that unpopular, i cant see it being built without quite a few domestic "mishaps" by irate NH'ers.

 

[eduardo89]

Is this because those MA and CT folk are too good to build windmill farms off their own coast?

Or because wind farms aren't as economical as large hydro projects.


For example this wind farm off the coast of England cost over $2 billion and has theoretical capacity of 500MW, which is probably never reached. This project will bring in 1,200 MW, so the cost would probably be close to $4 billion to build as a windfarm. Bringing the electricity from Canada has an estimated project cost of $1.1 billion.

 

[specsaregood]

Or because wind farms aren't as economical as large hydro projects.

Maybe true if you have hydro access/facilities. But we are talking about having to seize or buy a hundred + miles of other people's property, that can't be cheap. Plus, you don't own the facilities when you are done.

 

[eduardo89]

Maybe true if you have hydro access/facilities. But we are talking about having to seize or buy a hundred + miles of other people's property, that can't be cheap. Plus, you don't own the facilities when you are done.

They already have 140 miles, they're trying to secure the remaining 40. I think the $1.1 billion already includes land acquisition. I'm sure it'll be more if they're forced to buy the land in NH (as they should have to), but in the end it'll still probably be cheaper in the long run as opposed to building a wind farm.