And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[William Tell]

Minister Derrick Grayson said: "What the man said, is nothing that I have not said"

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[nobody's_hero]

 

[Carson]

I can't believe just how much people hate the idea of freedom of thought or someone expressing their thoughts that are not with the approval of their idea of what is allowed. It's like they are somehow now our new masters. Actually they may be more a product of the ability of some to print up what ever it takes to get their way. Kind of like they are being used.

I don't usually want to do anything to help spread the word of people who hate (Unless it serves my purposes. ) but if your game check out some to these post about Bundy on Fark.

I think sometimes people over there express certain things that seem liberal because that's where the jokes are. Other times the place seems flooded by paid posters. Then again sometimes I think they've just been raised that way with the way our education system is.

Anyway here's some links. Maybe you can interject some reason? Maybe some of it might give you a chuckle.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8235806/What-Cliven-Bundy-has-done-is-unique-Hes-only-conservative-hero-to-say-that-blacks-are-slaves-on-government-teat-that-even-American-Thinker-wont-defend-Wellthe-writers-that-is-The-comment-section-is-still-on-his-side

http://www.fark.com/comments/8236155/Dr-Stephen-T-Colbert-DFAbrings-you-folk-stylings-of-The-Ballad-of-Cliven-Bundy

http://www.fark.com/comments/8233705/Patriot-rancher-Cliven-Bundy-would-like-to-explain-to-you-about-how-Negro-race-thinks

http://www.fark.com/comments/8233195/Bill-OReilly-asks-Bundy-Militia-memberHow-does-your-protest-differ-from-Occupy-Wall-Street-Bundy-supporterMr-Bundy-is-providing-country-with-beef-Hey-everybody-FREE-STEAKS

http://www.fark.com/comments/8235744/Cliven-Bundy-should-probably-prepare-to-pay-those-grazing-fees-since-every-person-defending-him-has-bravely-run-awaythanks-to-Cliven-Bundy

http://www.fark.com/comments/8236305/Cliven-Bundy-totally-has-a-black-friend

 

[PaulConventionWV]

For most of recorded history, and in most cultures around the world to this day, the onus is the other way around. Younger people are supposed to be respectful of their elders and appreciate the fact that people who grew up in a different time when different words were considered the "polite" terms might default to those terms while speaking. Making hay of such a generational faux pas, in fact, would have been considered the mark of an insensitive jerk. It may well be that 30 years from now, "black" will go out of fashion and is replaced with the already ubiquitous among the younger generation, "nigga". And you know what- my by then 60 year old ass will probably still call black people black people.

This is a little different, I think, because of the history of racism. The past generations grew up in a time when there was a lot of general racist sentiment. We are moving away from that now, so history is taking a clear move away from the older generation instead of allowing them to just "be themselves" because being themselves means being something that most people don't want to be anymore.

 

[pcosmar]

What they could not do with 200 gunmen,, they are trying to do with Media Smears.

And that will backfire too.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Did you forget the 1st Amendment? You guys don't care about liberty, seriously.

I'm not the government. Therefore:

Cliven Bundy is a functionally retarded, incoherent individual who holds ridiculously stupid beliefs about government, property rights, and as we have now seen, race.

His ability to speak on his own property isn't infringed in any way by me saying this. Additionally, if he ever found his way on my property, he'd receive a one way ticket to get the fuck off of it. Guess what? His rights still wouldn't be hindered in any manner.

Lastly:

The BLM should go eat a bag of dicks, Bundy and his cattle should be able to use the land in question (provided it is owned by Bundy or another person who has or is willing to homestead the land, and has allowed him to use it), and the media is a joke.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

One last thing about this whole scandal. The problem is not that he used the wrong word for African Americans/black. The big problem is in the musing that the slavery conditions was better for the American American society than the welfare state. The idea being that putting X people in real cage is better for them than putting them in an imaginary cage. Its very insulting, condescending and not remotely true. If someone had said the same about Jews(or maybe the Slavic people of Europe) that concentration camps was fantastic for the Jewish family seeing as they were very little divorce, everyone learned a trade, everyone went to the synagogue on Sabbath and family in general was close than it is today, that person will be condemned by every sensible person in the world even though there is a lot of truth in it.

Add to the fact that he would not walk anything back and make some kind of apology just makes it hard for any pol to still stand with him. The sad part is that he was trying not to sound racist and probably is not racist which is why making an apology should come easy.

It really shouldn't be difficult to understand your perspective.

 

[Deborah K]

I'm not the government. Therefore:

Cliven Bundy is a functionally retarded, incoherent individual who holds ridiculously stupid beliefs about government, property rights, and as we have now seen, race.

His ability to speak on his own property isn't infringed in any way by me saying this. Additionally, if he ever found his way on my property, he'd receive a one way ticket to get the fuck off of it. Guess what? His rights still wouldn't be hindered in any manner.

Lastly:

The BLM should go eat a bag of dicks, Bundy and his cattle should be able to use the land in question (provided it is owned by Bundy or another person who has or is willing to homestead the land, and has allowed him to use it), and the media is a joke.

Here is a clarification of what he said:

FOR IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE - BUNDY RANGE WAR - 4-25-14


We are trading one form of slavery for another.



What I am saying is that all we Americans are trading one form of slavery for another. All of us are in some measure slaves of the federal government. Through their oppressive tactics of telling the ranchers how many cows they can have on their land, and making that number too low to support a ranch, the BLM has driven every rancher in Clark County off the land, except me. The IRS keeps the people of America in fear, and makes us all work about a third or a half of the year before we have earned enough to pay their taxes. This is nothing but slavery from January through May. The NSA spies on us and collects our private phone calls and emails. And the government dole which many people in America are on, and have been for much of their lives, is dehumanizing and degrading. It takes away incentive to work and self respect. Eventually a person on the dole becomes a ward of the government, because his only source of income is a dole from the government. Once the government has you in that position, you are its slave.



I am trying to keep Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream alive. He was praying for the day when he and his people would be free, and he could say I’m free, free at last, thank God I’m free at last! But all of us here America, no matter our race, are having our freedom eroded and destroyed by the federal government because of its heavy handed tactics. The BLM, the IRS, the NSA--all of the federal agencies are destroying our freedom. I am standing up against their bad and unconstitutional laws, just like Rosa Parks did when she refused to sit in the back of the bus. She started a revolution in America, the civil rights movement, which freed the black people from much of the oppression they were suffering. I'm saying Martin Luther King's dream was not that Rosa could take her rightful seat in the front of the bus, but his dream was that she could take any seat on the bus and I would be honored to sit beside her. I am doing the same thing Rosa Parks did--I am standing up against bad laws which dehumanize us and destroy our freedom. Just like the Minutemen at Lexington and Concord, we are saying no to an oppressive government which considers us to be slaves rather than free men.

I invite all people in America to join in our peaceful revolution to regain our freedom. That is how America was started, and we need to keep that tradition alive.



Cliven D. Bundy


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PPS - Please join us this evening April 25th around 6 pm for a BBQ and some entertainment and a little swim in the river. Bring EVERYONE you know.

On Bunkerville rd East of I-15 a few miles. You can't miss us.

 

[AuH20]

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/c...utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

Innis, who is running for Congress in Nevada, told J.D. Hayworth on "America's Forum" on Newsmax TV that he spoke with Bundy for about an hour on Thursday and finally got him to realize the repugnant nature of his comments.

"We talked for about an hour, and it was a good give and take," Innis said. "At first, Cliven kind of stood his ground and said, 'I said what I said, and I stand by it.' I communicated to him, and this is when he really got it.

"I said, 'Cliven, the freedom of choice, the freedom to use our lands, the people of Nevada to use our land for economic development and so on and so forth against the federal government is, that freedom that you're fighting for, is the freedom that was denied to millions of African Americans. That was the greatest sin of slavery is that it denied millions of African Americans of their ability to pursue happiness.' When I said that it was almost like a light bulb went on, he apologized to me."

Innis said he does not believe Bundy to be inherently racist but said that he "clumsily" used a bad metaphor to try and make an important point.

"What would've been better is if Cliven had said, 'Look, there are a number of blacks and Latinos and poor whites now that are involved in a real slavery, which is the slavery of government dependence,'" Innis said. "I'm up here in Tonopah, which is part of my district, and I was just talking with a local businesswoman who pointed across the street and talked to me about low-income housing or free government-subsidized housing and how the people there do not work because they don't have to.

"They may not even know that they are slaves, but there is in fact a neoslavery that exists. When you take out individual initiative, individual responsibility, and the hope that every individual is born with, to better their lives, to climb the economic ladder, to pursue happiness, that is in fact a neoslavery."

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Minister Derrick Grayson said: "What the man said, is nothing that I have not said"

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Thanks. TMOT is always worth watching.

 

[Carson]

A new thread came out on Fark in support of Mr. Bundy. I don't imagine the comments will come of any better than the comments did in the previous Bundy links above.

Still....

The attack arm of the left-wing media edited that video of Patriot Rancher Bundy making racist comments to make him sound racist. Yes, he actually DID say those things, but he also said other things, so he's not really a racist. Suck it, libs

Story;

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/132789-sure-bundy-racist-comparison-full-video-actually-said-might-change-mind/


Comments;

http://www.fark.com/comments/8237256/The-attack-arm-of-left-wing-media-edited-that-video-of-Patriot-Rancher-Bundy-making-racist-comments-to-make-him-sound-racist-Yes-he-actually-DID-say-those-things-but-he-also-said-other-things-so-hes-not-really-a-racist-Suck-it-libs

 

[Origanalist]

This is a little different, I think, because of the history of racism. The past generations grew up in a time when there was a lot of general racist sentiment. We are moving away from that now, so history is taking a clear move away from the older generation instead of allowing them to just "be themselves" because being themselves means being something that most people don't want to be anymore.

Do you belong to one of these groups? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...tos_n_5199334.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

 

[libertariantexas]

He spoke heresy, impolitic, unpure thoughts.

Therefore he deserved it.

Cliven Bundy did this to himself

I think a lot of you are missing the point here.

Bundy did not deserve to lose his cattle or the use of his land, BUT, the only chance he had of winning this battle was to get the support of a large percentage of the American population.

This case could have been used to promote less government and more liberty

But he shot himself in the foot. He lost the PR battle in a big way when he started running his mouth.

There is no way this issue can now be leveraged to convince the public to rally to the cause of less government and more freedom, not as long as the guy who once symbolized for freedom and resistance to over intrusive government has now become, in the eyes of most people, a poster boy for racism, bigotry, and ignorance.

The horse is out of the barn, folks. Bundy can't take back his ignorant remarks, and probably wouldn't even if he could. And if we get too close to this guy, we are likely to be seen more as racists and bigots than as lovers of liberty, and that is not something we need.

So while I still think the government overreached, any good soldier realizes that you must choose the right time and place to do battle, and this is NOT a battle I choose to fight at this point.

There will be other opportunities in the future, and hopefully others will not make the same mistakes Bundy did.

 

[tod evans]

I think a lot of you are missing the point here.

Bundy did not deserve to lose his cattle or the use of his land, BUT, the only chance he had of winning this battle was to get the support of a large percentage of the American population.

This case could have been used to promote less government and more liberty

But he shot himself in the foot. He lost the PR battle in a big way when he started running his mouth.

There is no way this issue can now be leveraged to convince the public to rally to the cause of less government and more freedom, not as long as the guy who once symbolized for freedom and resistance to over intrusive government has now become, in the eyes of most people, a poster boy for racism, bigotry, and ignorance.

The horse is out of the barn, folks. Bundy can't take back his ignorant remarks, and probably wouldn't even if he could. And if we get too close to this guy, we are likely to be seen more as racists and bigots than as lovers of liberty, and that is not something we need.

So while I still think the government overreached, any good soldier realizes that you must choose the right time and place to do battle, and this is NOT a battle I choose to fight at this point.

There will be other opportunities in the future, and hopefully others will not make the same mistakes Bundy did.

I have no quarrel with Mr. Bundy.

Nor do I have a problem pointing out that these monikers hung around his neck by the MSM and many right here on RPF are pure and unadulterated hooey.

I respect your choice to not support Mr.Bundy for any reason you choose, please respect mine.

 

[VegasPatriot]

[h=1]Bundy Ranch: Full Update from Ryan Bundy - 4/25/14 [UNCUT Video][/h]
Published on Apr 26, 2014
Ryan Bundy, eldest son of Cliven Bundy, has become a master of everything there is to know about this situation and the legalities since this has been going on... covered everything from why the Enabling Act didn't really "enable the federal government takeover, to the true complete history of the ranch ownership and debunking the story that it was only theirs since the 1940s, to exactly what his father meant in his unfortunate choice of words and *why* he brought it up- which I'll just tell you now was an attempt to reach out and bring in more minorities- it was meant as an appeal to how the government has victimized and oppressed them...

It went from a one on one interview to a crowd of well over 50 and a full fledged press conference basically, and even Channel 13 got drawn in at the back of the crowd.

Ryan gave us numerous inspirational moments and quotes (all natural and spontaneous) including talking about one Russian who stays around in a tent went ahead of the line of horses in the standoff as the BLM/troops told him they'd shoot, and the man from Russia said, "This is not Russia and I'm not going to live like this any longer. If I have to be the first one to die to bring this movement about, so be it."

Write-up by Jason Nellis

Co-Producer and Interviewer: Tasha Heath

Co-Producer, Camera-Op, and Editor: Neal Sickles

Special thanks to Ryan Bundy, the Bundy family and everyone who supports this cause. Thanks also to the unnamed interviewers who chimed in to make this great interview possible.

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