And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[Badger Paul]

I seem to recall the struggle had to do something with citizens being taxed with having no political representation nor chance to vote on such. What's your revolution against, an elected government trying to enforce its own laws after it has gone through the legal process? In years, not days?

 

[Danke]

I seem to recall the struggle had to do something with citizens being taxed with having no political representation nor chance to vote on such. What's your revolution against, an elected government trying to enforce its own laws after it has gone through the legal process? In years, not days?

A true believer. Some of us realize the game is rigged.

 

[AuH20]

A true believer. Some of us realize the game is rigged.

 

[Pericles]

He left Rand and heller no choice. Damn that pisses me off. He had a good solid case going on federal control of land in the west and he blew it.

Sadly so, because it is a sad fact that a good portion of the country is perfectly OK with having your property stolen and other rights violated if the subject of said outrages is a recist, or thought to be so.

 

[Wadesc]

Dear God....you do realize that when you're waging a war for "public opinion" you're actually expecting to get Boobus to side with you? Heck, you can't even get Boobus to put down his remote long enough to read a 3-minute article on how the Federal government is taking away his rights piece by piece every day....and you expect to win him over on this? Boobus still thinks the troops are fighting for our freedoms.

Meh. We don't need no stinkin' public opinion. We need to do what's right for ourselves.

Once people are losing their jobs, their homes, their children to war...

Their TV, internet, food...

Public opinion is going to be a big deal when things reach critical mass.

Thats the end of my discussion.

 

[Ender]

Originally Posted by Badger Paul
So let's cut to f'ing chase: Either you believe in the rule of law or you don't. You may not like the law, you challenge it in court or get people in government who will help to change it. But it doesn't remove it. So there you are. Now if you want to be an anarchist, that's fine. But there consequences for doing so: death, prison or complete isolation from society. There's no political outcome to it because the politics does not support armed conflict. Never has, never will and if you believed it you wouldn't be at RPF now would you? You'd be in your bunker preparing for the standoff. And I'm tired of seeing the politics being tarnished by bigots and buffoons. A man can stand up to the Powers that Be but in this country he has to do so either in the courtroom or the ballot box, not at the barricades. Again, you may not like it but that's the way it is. Otherwise, just don't give a damn anymore. Go away and leave it behind and do something else because you can't change it because nobody wants it to change. If they did, well don't you think we'd have another internal war by now?, another revolution? When did that ever take place? No. Helping Cliven honestly would have meant changing law so these disputes don't take place anymore. Instead people would rather help him dishonestly which will only lead to his eventual downfall.

Maybe we should all learn what the Rule of Law actually is:

The separation of powers between the legislature, the executive and the judiciary.
The law is made by representatives of the people in an open and transparent way.
The law and its administration is subject to open and free criticism by the people, who may assemble without fear.
The law is applied equally and fairly, so that no one is above the law.
The law is capable of being known to everyone, so that everyone can comply.
No one is subject to any action by any government agency other than in accordance with the law and the model litigant rules, no one is subject to any torture.
The judicial system is independent, impartial, open and transparent and provides a fair and prompt trial.
All people are presumed to be innocent until proven otherwise and are entitled to remain silent and are not required to incriminate themselves.
No one can be prosecuted, civilly or criminally, for any offence not known to the law when committed.
No one is subject adversely to a retrospective change of the law.

 

[klamath]

Let's get one thing straight. The issue was solidly about western land rights a issue very dear to my heart, but it was Bundy that brought the freaking race card into this. As much as I hate the MSM they didn't do this to Bundy, Bundy did it to himself and jerked the fucking rug out from under the people that supported him. There was absolutely NO freaking reason to start talking about Negros. He is not getting a clue either. Now he is using terms 167 years old in referring to the blacks as "the people", a term slave owners used for their slaves.
Godamnit I am pissed.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Let's get one thing straight. The issue was solidly about western land rights a issue very dear to my heart, but it was Bundy that brought the freaking race card into this. As much as I hate the MSM they didn't do this to Bundy, Bundy did it to himself and jerked the fucking rug out from under the people that supported him. There was absolutely NO freaking reason to start talking about Negros. He is not getting a clue either. Now he is using terms 167 years old in referring to the blacks as "the people", a term slave owners used for their slaves.
Godamnit I am pissed.

The Honey Bundy doesn't care. The Honey Bundy doesn't give a shit. He says what he wants.

 

[Badger Paul]

"A true believer. Some of us realize the game is rigged."

At times that may well be. But rules do get voted on.

And when you head to armed insurrection, the game is over.

 

[Ender]

Let's get one thing straight. The issue was solidly about western land rights a issue very dear to my heart, but it was Bundy that brought the freaking race card into this. As much as I hate the MSM they didn't do this to Bundy, Bundy did it to himself and jerked the fucking rug out from under the people that supported him. There was absolutely NO freaking reason to start talking about Negros. He is not getting a clue either. Now he is using terms 167 years old in referring to the blacks as "the people", a term slave owners used for their slaves.
Godamnit I am pissed.

BS.

Bundy made some statements about how we are all slaves now.

But, oh dear- to talk about the horrible conditions of blacks today, BECAUSE of the government, is so, so politically incorrect- what shall we, who pretend we love liberty, do???

 

[Lucille]

The Honey Bundy doesn't care. The Honey Bundy doesn't give a shit. He says what he wants.

That made me LOL, but I'm sure he does care. I don't believe that poor old guy is racist at all. I feel really bad for him. Someone here said that he needed a PR man when all this first started, since he isn't much of an orator. He really did. Woulda shoulda coulda.

Reposting:

The full recording was posted by someone on their FB page:

http://bambuser.com/v/4549915

I wondered why it came up. He was talking about the Watts riots:

"What I am testifying to you is, I was in the Watts riots. What I seen was civil disturbance. People are not happy. People are thinking they don't have their freedoms and they don't have these things. And they didn't have them! We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want these colored people to have to go back to that point, and we sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies and do it in a peaceful way."

After which came the quote.

 

[ZENemy]

I love when the government calls people racist, it tickles my hypocrisy bone.

Tuskegee syphilis experiment

A doctor draws blood from one of the Tuskegee test subjects.

The Tuskegee syphilis experiment (/tʌsˈkiːɡiː/)[1] was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service to study the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African American men who thought they were receiving free health care from the U.S. government.[1]

The Public Health Service started working with the Tuskegee Institute in 1932. Investigators enrolled in the study a total of 600 impoverished sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama. 399 of those men had previously contracted syphilis before the study began, and 201[2] did not have the disease. The men were given free medical care, meals, and free burial insurance, for participating in the study. They were never told they had syphilis, nor were they ever treated for it. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told they were being treated for "bad blood", a local term for various illnesses that include syphilis, anemia, and fatigue.

The 40-year study was controversial for reasons related to ethical standards, primarily because researchers knowingly failed to treat patients appropriately after the 1940s validation of penicillin as an effective cure for the disease they were studying. Revelation of study failures by a whistleblower led to major changes in U.S. law and regulation on the protection of participants in clinical studies. Now studies require informed consent (though foreign consent procedures can be substituted which offer similar protections; such substitutions must be submitted to the Federal Register unless statute or Executive Order require otherwise),[3] communication of diagnosis, and accurate reporting of test results.[4]

 

[pcosmar]

Godamnit I am pissed.

Yes,, you have been so supportive all along.

 

[phill4paul]

"A true believer. Some of us realize the game is rigged."

At times that may well be. But rules do get voted on.

And when you head to armed insurrection, the game is over.

Words connote. Always have. Always will. As is evidenced in this controversy.

in·sur·rec·tion
ˌinsəˈrekSHən/Submit
noun
plural noun: insurrections
1.
a violent uprising against an authority or government.

de·fense [dih-fens or especially for 7, 9, dee-fens] Show IPA
noun
1.
resistance against attack; protection:

 

[pcosmar]

[
At times that may well be. But rules do get voted on.

NO,, they don't.

Unelected and unaccountable Bureaucracies make the rules.

In this case, the BLM. Which was created by the stroke of a pen and not by anyone voting for it.
The same with the DEA, The ATF, The CIA and numerous other alphabet agencies that are unaccountable and unelected.

 

[phill4paul]

The Honey Bundy doesn't care. The Honey Bundy doesn't give a shit. He says what he wants.

^^^ That, right there, is some funny shit. I pictured the T-Shirt.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

But in what context did Bundy feel the need to bring up blacks? What specifically was asked of him to provoke that response?

"Tell us about your experiences in Watts during riots there?" Who knows, we still don't have the full context, do we?

It's just exactly what I thought. They are framing him by taking his words out of context.

He's not racist!

And now they want to frame the entire Tea Party movement.

heres the video

Did you intentionally post the edited version?

 

[phill4paul]

NO,, they don't.

Unelected and unaccountable Bureaucracies make the rules.

In this case, the BLM. Which was created by the stroke of a pen and not by anyone voting for it.
The same with the DEA, The ATF, The CIA and numerous other alphabet agencies that are unaccountable and unelected.

I certainly do not remember voting to make marijuana illegal. I have honestly never seen it as an amendment on either state or Federal constitution.

 

[Pericles]

NO,, they don't.

Unelected and unaccountable Bureaucracies make the rules.

In this case, the BLM. Which was created by the stroke of a pen and not by anyone voting for it.
The same with the DEA, The ATF, The CIA and numerous other alphabet agencies that are unaccountable and unelected.

When did I ever get to vote for the head of the BLM? When did I get to vote on whether a BLM is needed? How can I fire the BLM if I don't like how they operate?

 

[ZENemy]

I certainly do not remember voting to make marijuana illegal. I have honestly never seen it as an amendment on either state or Federal constitution.

Yeah when the hell did I vote to NEED a plastic card to drive, was I sleeping? I'm wondering who the idiot is that voted to make walking across the street in unapproved zones illegal.