And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[IndianaPolitico]

Just listened to the full clip. I am furious at what they are attempting to spin his words into.

 

[Tod]

In before the "Cliven Bundy is part of a conspiracy to make right-wingers look like racist nuts" crowd.

 

[pcosmar]

This was supposed to be a war of public opinion,

.

No.. it isn't.

No ones opinion is changing,, save the few who have no principles in the first place.

The "Lefties" were all Pro Big Government to start with.. and were not likely to be convinced otherwise.

They are not going to pick up a rifle and put their lives on the line.. They don't matter.

 

[cajuncocoa]

This was supposed to be a war of public opinion, and he just lost it.

For 90% of the American public, they arent going to the sophisticated social nuance and benevolent "old crazy uncle" in his statements. That is wishful thinking of the worst kind.

This is so easily thrust into the public eye in the favor of his detractors that there is no way to see it other than a total failure. If you are going to play the game, you have to play it well.

I don't see this as a war for public opinion. I see this as a war for doing what's right.

Don't you think the Feds know who they're dealing with in these situations? They probably know full well that this older gentleman, like many from his generation, have misconceptions about slavery and race....and they also tend to use archaic language when discussing such issues (like Harry Reid, for example).

If the public (whose opinion we are supposed to value) had any sense, Ron Paul would be president right now.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

So many people on this site are ready to cave as soon as the media and/or general public point fingers at us for whatever reason. Either we have to be careful to frame our arguments so Boobus can understand it (and watering it down in the process) or worry that the media will paint us as racists for standing up for someone even if they believe some questionable things. I'm an individual; I don't play "guilt by association".

It's disheartening to read this site at times.

They've had so much politically correct smoke blown up their asses that they have no sense of what is important.

 

[cajuncocoa]

In before the "Cliven Bundy is part of a conspiracy to make right-wingers look like racist nuts" crowd.

You're too late.

 

[AuH20]

No.. it isn't.

No ones opinion is changing,, save the few who have no principles in the first place.

The "Lefties" were all Pro Big Government to start with.. and were not likely to be convinced otherwise.

They are not going to pick up a rifle and put their lives on the line.. They don't matter.

Right. People have watched too much "V for Vendetta." Boobus isn't going to save us. WE will have to save EACH OTHER.

 

[Anti Federalist]

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Meh, hard to argue with those points.

Not that it matters now, he'll be crucified in the government press organs, any "mainstream" support he had will run for the hills, and the fedcoats will send in a mop up raid after all the hoopla dies down.

And freedom will die a little more.

Just another day in AmeriKa.

One step forward and two steps back.

 

[Madison320]

making cliven bundy the champion of your cause is now toxic.

I never thought of it that way at all when I heard this story. I'm not "standing by" Cliven Bundy. I heard Glen Beck say something like that this morning. Whether Cliven Bundy is an a-hole is irrelevant. I'm just against the federal government overreaching its authority.

 

[AuH20]

They've had so much politically correct smoke blown up their asses that they have no sense of what is important.

There are certain acceptable parameters to adhere to, when our clandestine intelligence agencies aren't openly murdering journalists.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So let's cut to f'ing chase: Either you believe in the rule of law or you don't. You may not like the law, you challenge it in court or get people in government who will help to change it. But it doesn't remove it. So there you are. Now if you want to be an anarchist, that's fine. But there consequences for doing so: death, prison or complete isolation from society. There's no political outcome to it because the politics does not support armed conflict. Never has, never will and if you believed it you wouldn't be at RPF now would you? You'd be in your bunker preparing for the standoff. And I'm tired of seeing the politics being tarnished by bigots and buffoons. A man can stand up to the Powers that Be but in this country he has to do so either in the courtroom or the ballot box, not at the barricades. Again, you may not like it but that's the way it is. Otherwise, just don't give a damn anymore. Go away and leave it behind and do something else because you can't change it because nobody wants it to change. If they did, well don't you think we'd have another internal war by now?, another revolution? When did that ever take place? No. Helping Cliven honestly would have meant changing law so these disputes don't take place anymore. Instead people would rather help him dishonestly which will only lead to his eventual downfall.

Yup, keeping working within the system for change.

I know we are just one more strongly worded letter of disapproval away from restoring our freedom.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I never thought of it that way at all when I heard this story. I'm not "standing by" Cliven Bundy. I heard Glen Beck say something like that this morning. Whether Cliven Bundy is an a-hole is irrelevant. I'm just against the federal government overreaching its authority.

This^^ 1000X

 

[kahless]

In before the "Cliven Bundy is part of a conspiracy to make right-wingers look like racist nuts" crowd.

Unknowingly part of. It was the first thing that came to my mind when he did his first Foxnews interview on Hannity. I gave it two weeks before he either actually said something or the media took something out of context.

 

[Wadesc]

No.. it isn't.

No ones opinion is changing,, save the few who have no principles in the first place.

The "Lefties" were all Pro Big Government to start with.. and were not likely to be convinced otherwise.

They are not going to pick up a rifle and put their lives on the line.. They don't matter.

I will respectfully disagree.

This absolutely was a war of public opinion. It was complex, nuanced and very emotionally charged on both sides, and both teams were waiting for "the big one" that will push the issue over the edge with the American public. This is probably it, and now he will be seen as indefensible.

The entire "liberty" movement as a whole is a war of public opinion, and the fact that many don't think of it as one bodes ill for our future. With so much that we can all agree on (NSA, banks, etc.) this kind of stuff (bundy) is just a complicated mess that further drives a wedge between the population as a whole.

Those who want to tough it out for bundy, bless your soul, and good luck.

 

[Tod]

You're too late.

dang....the story of my life....a day late and a dollar short.

 

[thoughtomator]

Come on. You've been here long enough. You know how this works. In order to win, they need a character assassination.

Aye. But character assassination only really works if people go for the bait. If people stay on point, the character attacks stay on the fringe of the debate.

 

[Badger Paul]

"I know we are just one more strongly worded letter of disapproval away from restoring our freedom."

No more closer than an armed stand-off. Did Gordon Kahl give you your freedom? How 'bout Bo Gritz?

 

[pcosmar]

I will respectfully disagree.

You are free to do so,

But public opinion be damned. public opinion gave rise to the Third Reich,, public opinion will clamor for more and more free stuff.

Public opinion will one day support a One World Government and a One World Leader.

I know my friends when they aren't shooting at me,, and will join any aiming in the same direction.

 

[Danke]

"I know we are just one more strongly worded letter of disapproval away from restoring our freedom."

No more closer than an armed stand-off. Did Gordon Kahl give you your freedom? How 'bout Bo Gritz?

Did George Washington? Did these guys:

 

[cajuncocoa]

I will respectfully disagree.

This absolutely was a war of public opinion. It was complex, nuanced and very emotionally charged on both sides, and both teams were waiting for "the big one" that will push the issue over the edge with the American public. This is probably it, and now he will be seen as indefensible.

The entire "liberty" movement as a whole is a war of public opinion, and the fact that many don't think of it as one bodes ill for our future. With so much that we can all agree on (NSA, banks, etc.) this kind of stuff (bundy) is just a complicated mess that further drives a wedge between the population as a whole.

Those who want to tough it out for bundy, bless your soul, and good luck.

Dear God....you do realize that when you're waging a war for "public opinion" you're actually expecting to get Boobus to side with you? Heck, you can't even get Boobus to put down his remote long enough to read a 3-minute article on how the Federal government is taking away his rights piece by piece every day....and you expect to win him over on this? Boobus still thinks the troops are fighting for our freedoms.

Meh. We don't need no stinkin' public opinion. We need to do what's right for ourselves.