And so the character assasination of Cliven Bundy Begins!!!!!

[cajuncocoa]

A comment (and my retort) from one of the Glenn Beck articles:

“It is hard, because we believe the government is out of control,” Beck said on his radio program. “We believe the government is growing as an oppressor. We believe the west should have their land. We believe that the EPA and the BLM is putting their boot on the necks of of farmers and ranchers. … But you have to know who you’re standing with.”

No, you only need to know what you're standing FOR.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I didn't take it out of context, I selected the most clearly offensive part. I also think it's ridiculous for old ranchers in the middle of nowhere to speculate on the overall well-being of whole races of people, or to hold up human trafficking as a better solution to their issues. But I wanted to type something short & sharp to try to offset the group apologia for a creepy, racist farmer. You defend people like this, you turn people off, and they're right to be turned off.

Question, what if Cliven Bundy was a liberal authoritarian trying to demolish some homes to build a license office somewhere, and THEN he came out & said black people were better off in the cotton fields? I imagine there would be 200 posts about "See, liberals are ugly people deep down." Learn how to separate one issue from another.

Still has nothing to do with the main reason Bundy is in the news.

 

[pcosmar]

The black community was beta tested first. Now we're getting a taste of dependency. Yes, we have a major problem in the white community with welfare benefits. This isn't exactly a secret.

No they weren't..
The Indians were first..
They took the land and confined them to reservations,, and handed them a bottle.

Welfare was run on Government reservations first.. it came to cities second.

 

[AuH20]

A comment (and my retort) from one of the Glenn Beck articles:


No, you only need to know what you're standing FOR.

And Glenn Beck stands with Jon Huntsman Sr. That's all you need to know.

 

[cajuncocoa]

“It is hard, because we believe the government is out of control,” Beck said on his radio program. “We believe the government is growing as an oppressor. We believe the west should have their land. We believe that the EPA and the BLM is putting their boot on the necks of of farmers and ranchers. … But you have to know who you’re standing with.”

Same type of character assassination he did to Debra Medina.

 

[Deborah K]

I didn't take it out of context, I selected the most clearly offensive part. I also think it's ridiculous for old ranchers in the middle of nowhere to speculate on the overall well-being of whole races of people, or to hold up human trafficking as a better solution to their issues. But I wanted to type something short & sharp to try to offset the group apologia for a creepy, racist farmer. You defend people like this, you turn people off, and they're right to be turned off.

Question, what if Cliven Bundy was a liberal authoritarian trying to demolish some homes to build a license office somewhere, and THEN he came out & said black people were better off in the cotton fields? I imagine there would be 200 posts about "See, liberals are ugly people deep down." Learn how to separate one issue from another.

You are caught in the Political Correctness trap. Your worldview looks through those lenses.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I hope this puts to rest the "Glenn Beck is coming around" comments for 2014.

 

[squarepusher]

Cliven Bundy is on Alex Jones right now and he emphatically denies the "pickin' cotton" remark. NYT is making things up. He has a black militia man guarding his house right now. He is not a racists. The man sits at his dinner table.

heres the video

 

[donnay]

heres the video

Not the same time frame as the NYT interview.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

heres the video

[Out Of Context Video Removed]

NO, Here's the video in proper context:

Here's the 3:13 version.
Uh, he's still using the term "colored" too - also considered respectful at one time.
Very un-PC word usage, but by no means hateful.

 

[AuH20]

You are caught in the Political Correctness trap. Your worldview looks through those lenses.

Emotions betray. Logic never does. The logical conclusion being that the federal government needs to smash this man's reputation before they roll in with their calvacade.

 

[phill4paul]

I didn't take it out of context, I selected the most clearly offensive part. I also think it's ridiculous for old ranchers in the middle of nowhere to speculate on the overall well-being of whole races of people, or to hold up human trafficking as a better solution to their issues. But I wanted to type something short & sharp to try to offset the group apologia for a creepy, racist farmer. You defend people like this, you turn people off, and they're right to be turned off.

Question, what if Cliven Bundy was a liberal authoritarian trying to demolish some homes to build a license office somewhere, and THEN he came out & said black people were better off in the cotton fields? I imagine there would be 200 posts about "See, liberals are ugly people deep down." Learn how to separate one issue from another.

"the clearly offensive part." WAS taken out of context. Intentionally. Unfortunately, one has to sculpt any public statement down to the single sentence or word. This is the world we live in. The world of PR is a bitch and that is why millions are spent on it.

 

[Deborah K]

If anyone thinks this man is a racist, they're either PC cowards, or they have an agenda.

 

[thoughtomator]

Guys, stop going for the bait. This guy could be an Adolph Hitler worshipper for all I care - the issue in this case is the feds conducting military operations against US citizens.

 

[Antischism]

What a fucking moron, as well as those here who are rationalizing his comments. It's no wonder why the "heartless/white privileged" stereotype is applied to libertarians.

Does welfare do more harm than good? Yes. Is it worse than physical bondage? No, not even close.

Don't lecture the anarchists on how to frame their arguments because we're somehow hurting the advancement of libertarianism and Rand's 2016 election hopes when you're defending Bundy's beliefs that completely contradict everything you claim to be fighting for.

Now if the NYT lied and it turns out that Bundy never made these comments, fine.

Said everything I wanted to say.

 

[pcosmar]

heres the video

Nope,, that is a cut,,out of context..

The video of his words was posted. The full version.

 

[Deborah K]

Guys, stop going for the bait. This guy could be an Adolph Hitler worshipper for all I care - the issue in this case is the feds conducting military operations against US citizens.

Come on. You've been here long enough. You know how this works. In order to win, they need a character assassination.

 

[AuH20]

These are the 4 steps.

1. Propaganda
2. Demoralization of the enemy
3. Infiltration of enemy made easier through this fracturing
4. Mobilization

Bundy better get more men beause this is a telltale sign of their intentions.

 

[Lucille]

Harry Reid Issues Statement On "Hateful Racist" Cliven Bundy
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/harry-reid-issues-statement-hateful-racist-cliven-bundy

 

[pcosmar]

It ain't Over!
Harry Reid

All I need to know.