And so it begins, U.S. troops start to withdraw from Afghanistan

So, Biden might do what Trump didn't have permission and the balls to do?

Or do you think the military is still following Trump's orders?

Are you trying to spin this into something other than what it is, namely proof that Trump's foreign policy was dictated to him by the same people who dictated to Obama and dictate to Biden--a seamless continuation without interruption?

Trying to give credit to a president who has been out of office for nearly six months is a pretty blatant attempt at spin, even for you. That ship sailed already. Get over it.

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Should be a celebration for America . US hands over Bagram Air Base to Afghan Security Forces . Not so much of a celebration for free Afghanis as one quarter of the 421 districts have been taken back under taliban control since the US withdrawal began . While this should be expected you'd think after 20 years the Afghans would have a plan on what areas they wanted to push back in and which they would concede. According to one General there that plan never happened so I'd say at this point they better get busy if the want to save the cities and capitals .
 
In other news , Bagram Air Force Base looted by dozens of looters after the Americans departed as the Afghans had no plan in place to secure and occupy the base. Afghan Security Forces have now moved in . Fed still buying 120 billion per month , unemployment up 5.9 percent from 5.8 percent and US has pledged 4 billion per yr to Afghan Security Forces through 2024.
 
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After nearly 20 years, the U.S. military left Bagram Airfield, the epicenter of its war to oust the Taliban and hunt down the al-Qaida perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on America, two U.S. officials said Friday.
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20 years of latest hot war but almost 40 years span covers full overt/proxy US military involvement there. Media experts' customary analyses on the return for lost tens of thousands of American lives/limbs in blood & $Trillions in treasure will be splashed across media for a week or so after marking the historic milestone of leaving behind about a 1000 US troops (plus few thousand American contractors) but no guarantee if any lasting lessons will be learnt.



Afghanistan: Remembering the Long, Long War We Would Rather Forget

A now declassified memorandum that National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski sent to Carter on Dec. 26 offers a rare historical example in which it is possible to trace the origins of major consequences to a single document. In it, Brzezinski, the anti-Soviet son of a Polish diplomat, misused history by claiming that if Moscow succeeded “the age-long dream of direct access to the Indian Ocean will have been fulfilled.” The fall of the Shah of Iran in January had enflamed the Middle East into what Brzezinski termed an “arc of crisis;” Carter was facing a tough reelection challenge from Republican front-runner Ronald Reagan and badly needed to reverse the perception that his foreign policy was failing. The President began to hyperbolize that Moscow’s aggression in Afghanistan “would threaten the security of all nations.”

Determined to deliver the Soviet Union its own Vietnam, Brzezinski advised the president that it was essential that the Afghan resistance continue. Carter approved a covert action finding that increased the program, code-named Operation Cyclone, to $50 million. He took to calling the mujahedeen “Freedom Fighters” (a label that Ronald Reagan and Charlie Wilson later appropriated as they poured support into the program). Brzezinski outlined four courses of action in the Dec. 26 memo, each of which Carter approved. They would have enduring and fateful consequences.

In Afghanistan, the purposes of Saudi Arabia, jihad against the atheistic foreign invader, and the United States, the Cold War against the Soviet Union, overlapped. With the Inter-Services Intelligence as executive agent, this intersection brought the most radicalized Islamists among the Afghan mujahedeen into association with the Afghan Arabs, including Osama bin Laden.

Defeat of the Soviet superpower in Afghanistan was the inspiration for 9/11, which bin Laden organized from sanctuary the Taliban gave al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. Most of the attackers were Saudi, while the Wahhabi program thrives throughout the Muslim world today. The Afghan Arabs were also the model for the foreign fighters who flowed to Iraq and Syria, first under al-Qaeda in Iraq and then under the self-proclaimed Islamic State. No one responsible for Operation Cyclone realized at the time they were sowing the wind.

How A Quest To Save Soviet Jews Changed The World

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Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman speaks at an award ceremony for immigrant scientists at Tel Aviv University on Oct. 26. Lieberman is one of the Soviet Jewish emigres who moved to Israel.

On Dec. 12, 1987, a quarter-million people gathered in Washington, D.C., on the eve of a historic summit between Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev. They came from all over the country to a rally aimed at freeing Jews in what was then the Soviet Union.

Among the speakers was George H.W. Bush, who was vice president at the time. In his speech, he echoed the words of Reagan at the Berlin Wall, "Mr. Gorbachev," he said, "Let these people go. Let them go."
Author Gal Beckerman explores that moment, and that movement, in his new book When They Come For Us, We'll Be Gone: The Epic Struggle to Save Soviet Jewry.
He tells NPR's Guy Raz that the day after the rally, Reagan stood with Gorbachev in the Oval Office and asked if he'd seen footage of the demonstration.

"Gorbachev kind of shook it off, but it was clear this sent a very strong message," Beckerman says.

A History Of Persecution
Jews had been persecuted in the Soviet Union through much of the 20th century. In 1970s Moscow, a city with hundreds of thousands of Jews, there was only one synagogue. Beckerman says there was no way to become a rabbi or even eat kosher food.

Desperate To Flee
While Soviet Jews could apply to leave the country, the vast majority were denied. They became known as "refuseniks" and were often unable to get a job.
"You became almost a pariah inside of Soviet society and it led to a whole series of bad things that could happen to you," he says. "You'd lose your job, but then it was illegal to be without a job -- you would be accused of parasitism. And then you suddenly had people who were former world renowned scientists working as stokers, shoveling coal or elevator operators, because the government would assign you to a job."

Beckerman says many of those who were desperate to flee were Zionists -- they wanted to go to Israel. In the summer of 1970, a group from Latvia was determined to make it there any way they could.
They decided to hijack a plane.

The group found a 12-seater scheduled to fly to Sweden. They planned to take over during a stopover in Finland.
But the plan never came to fruition. The KGB tackled and arrested some of the group on the tarmac the day they planned to hijack the plane.
"Just in the Soviet Union, if you had two people involved in anything, you could be sure that one of them was somehow talking to the KGB," Beckerman says.
However, he says, the group wrote a sort of "suicide note."
"They wanted to make sure that if they were caught or killed in the process, the world would know somehow why they did this. The Soviets couldn't just paint them as criminals who were trying to hijack a plane."
After the arrest, the Soviets seized the opportunity to paint the Latvians as religious extremists. The knew "they could put on a very large show trial and show the world in fact, that these were not these idealistic Zionists that they said they were, but Zionism was really a mask for 'hooliganism," Beckerman says.
And the end of a swift trial, the judge sentenced the group's two leaders to death. Beckerman says the verdict reverberated across the world.

The Effect On U.S. Policy
As the movement gained more prominence, it began to influence the way the United States formulated its foreign policy. At the forefront of the shift was a senator for Washington state -- Henry "Scoop" Jackson.
Beckerman says Jackson's interest in the movement was triggered in August 1972 when the Soviets started to let out some Jews, but was requiring them to pay a "diploma tax" for education they had received from the Soviet state. This bothered Jackson especially because, at the same time, they were involved with the U.S. in trade talks and seeking so-called "preferred trading status."
"Henry Jackson said, 'You know what, no. If they want these things -- these goodies from the U.S. -- they have to do something as well. And what we want from them in exchange is for them to change something about their internal policy that's making Soviet Jews in particular suffer,' " Beckerman says.
Over the next decade, those sentiments had a profound influence on American foreign policy.
"Every time Gorbachev would walk into meeting with Reagan by the mid-'80s, the first thing Reagan would do -- and we see this in memoirs and oral histories -- is Reagan would pull out a piece of paper with names of Soviet Jews who had been refused visas or had been somehow sent to prison for their activism and he said, 'Well if you want to talk, first we have to discuss these names,'" Beckerman says.
Eventually emigration restrictions eased and Soviet Jews were allowed to leave in larger numbers. Among those who left are Avigdor Lieberman, now Israel's foreign minister, and Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google.


Jihad with US-Arms – The Soviet–Afghan War

The moment the Soviet Union inserted itself in the Afghan Civil War, they started a domino-like spiral of violence that continues even to this day nearly 40 years later. On one side of the situation, the Soviets were never able to assert and gain control over the huge country.

On the other side of the problem, the United States, via CIA operatives and neighboring Arab countries, supported guerrilla fighters by delivering arms to support their resistance efforts.

Naming themselves the Mujahideen, the resistance fighting militias considered themselves embroiled in a Holy War against the invading communist infidels. Even after the Red Army pulled out of the country Afghanistan remained in a continued state of chaos.

The Taliban rose to and seized power in the war-torn nation. Following the events of 9/11 NATO forces invaded the embattled country making roughly the same mistakes the Russians did a generation earlier.

The Soviet–Afghan War lasted nearly a decade from December 1979 to February 1989. The Mujahideen resistance fighters fought a war of attrition against the Soviet Army and allied Afghan forces. In all, approximately 850,000 to 1.5 million civilians were killed over the decade long conflict and millions of other Afghans were forced to flee their homeland as refugees. Most resettled in Pakistan or Iran.
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1980s: Reagan's MAGA Revolution
USA prints extremist textbooks to radicalize Afghan children
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"Every time Gorbachev would walk into meeting with Reagan by the mid-'80s, the first thing Reagan would do -- and we see this in memoirs and oral histories -- is Reagan would pull out a piece of paper with names of Soviet Jews who had been refused visas or had been somehow sent to prison for their activism and he said, 'Well if you want to talk, first we have to discuss these names,'" Beckerman says.

The former Soviet citizens who flooded into Israel decades ago have changed the country's demographics.
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The Soviet–Afghan War lasted nearly a decade from December 1979 to February 1989.
The Mujahideen resistance fighters fought a war of attrition against the Soviet Army and allied Afghan forces. In all, approximately 850,000 to 1.5 million civilians were killed over the decade long conflict and millions of other Afghans were forced to flee their homeland as refugees.

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The Immorality of Leaving Iraq and Afghanistan
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Biden says no more questions on Afghanistan, wants to ‘talk about happy things’
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So, Biden might do what Trump didn't have permission and the balls to do?

Or do you think the military is still following Trump's orders?

Are you trying to spin this into something other than what it is, namely proof that Trump's foreign policy was dictated to him by the same people who dictated to Obama and dictate to Biden--a seamless continuation without interruption?

Trying to give credit to a president who has been out of office for nearly six months is a pretty blatant attempt at spin, even for you. That ship sailed already. Get over it.

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Trump started the process and forced it through far enough that it couldn't be stopped in spite of being fought every step of the way.
Don't insult our intelligence by pretending the deepstate wanted this.
 
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Should be a celebration for America . US hands over Bagram Air Base to Afghan Security Forces . Not so much of a celebration for free Afghanis as one quarter of the 421 districts have been taken back under taliban control since the US withdrawal began . While this should be expected you'd think after 20 years the Afghans would have a plan on what areas they wanted to push back in and which they would concede. According to one General there that plan never happened so I'd say at this point they better get busy if the want to save the cities and capitals .
It's almost as if their globalist friends didn't plan for this.
 
Trump started the process and forced it through far enough that it couldn't be stopped in spite of being fought every step of the way.
Don't insult our intelligence by pretending the deepstate wanted this.

I'm not the one here insulting people's intelligence.

I admit I have considered insulting your intelligence in the past, but that prey is very, very elusive.
 
The U.S. military appears just days away from completing its withdrawal from Afghanistan, well ahead of the Sept. 11 deadline set by President Joe Biden to end America's longest war, U.S. officials told Reuters on Tuesday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Joeblow wanted to make it an even 20yrs… would only serve to highlight the utter failure of this venture. At this point, good just to be getting out… hopefully to never return. History taught us nothing.
 
Joeblow wanted to make it an even 20yrs… would only serve to highlight the utter failure of this venture. At this point, good just to be getting out… hopefully to never return. History taught us nothing.

Afghanistan has been turned over to China. Mission accomplished. Americans were just the tools to do the heavy lifting and pay the bills ("military men are dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns of foreign policy", as Kissinger was quoted as saying). It was actually a smashing success, not an utter failure, but I guess that depends on whether you're an elite or the mother of a dead 22 year old soldier.

This official Afghan government website details it very thoroughly:
https://recca.af/?page_id=2077

http://recca.af/?p=1909

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/machi...nger-shaped-us-policy-with-jewish-philosophy/
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Kissinger's secret 1971 trip to China
https://china.usc.edu/getting-beijing-henry-kissingers-secret-1971-trip

Visit was 50 years ago as of this month, July 2021.

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China prepares to fill void left by US.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ing-Americas-departure-Belt-Road-program.html

China makes its move on Afghanistan: Beijing prepares to fill the vacuum left by Biden's plan for US military exit from the nation with $62B investment plan for its 'Belt and Road' program

As American troops left their main military base in Afghanistan on Friday, marking a symbolic end to the longest war in U.S. history, China is now preparing to enter to war-torn country to essentially fill the vacuum left by U.S. and NATO troops.

Authorities in Kabul are considering extending a $62 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) as part of China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

First launched in 2013 by Chinese president Xi Jinping, and written into the Chinese constitution in 2017, it is billed by Beijing officials as a global infrastructure development fund which aims to better connect China to the rest of the world.
 
Afghanistan has been turned over to China. Mission accomplished. Americans were just the tools to do the heavy lifting and pay the bills ("military men are dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns of foreign policy", as Kissinger was quoted as saying). It was actually a smashing success, not an utter failure, but I guess that depends on whether you're an elite or the mother of a dead 22 year old soldier.

This official Afghan government website details it very thoroughly:
https://recca.af/?page_id=2077

http://recca.af/?p=1909

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/machi...nger-shaped-us-policy-with-jewish-philosophy/
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(worth clicking link to see the photo slide show)
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Kissinger's secret 1971 trip to China
https://china.usc.edu/getting-beijing-henry-kissingers-secret-1971-trip

Visit was 50 years ago as of this month, July 2021.

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China is going to collapse long before they can make any use of Afghanistan.
And if they try to use Afghanistan the Afghans will help them collapse.

Nice try and making a good thing Trump did into a bad thing but it just won't work.
 
China prepares to fill void left by US.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ing-Americas-departure-Belt-Road-program.html

China makes its move on Afghanistan: Beijing prepares to fill the vacuum left by Biden's plan for US military exit from the nation with $62B investment plan for its 'Belt and Road' program

As American troops left their main military base in Afghanistan on Friday, marking a symbolic end to the longest war in U.S. history, China is now preparing to enter to war-torn country to essentially fill the vacuum left by U.S. and NATO troops.

Authorities in Kabul are considering extending a $62 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) as part of China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

First launched in 2013 by Chinese president Xi Jinping, and written into the Chinese constitution in 2017, it is billed by Beijing officials as a global infrastructure development fund which aims to better connect China to the rest of the world.
Good, this will hasten their collapse.
 
Free Afghanis fleeing taliban to Tajikistan are the rumors. Taliban now control 26 of 28 border districts and the roads are also the rumors. Russian consulate in Mazar i Sharif will be closed.
 
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No word yet on taliban wuhan plague or vaccines. Hopefully [MENTION=6186]Danke[/MENTION] can give us an update from his chicom contacts.
 
Indeed you are right about that one, not mention the Taliban are the same forces and fighters which had driven out the soviet union/Russian troops in the 80s. They were the mujahideen fighters which the west armed and supported agaisnt a moderate Russian backed government in afghanistan who gave women rights among other issues.

Its kinda of ironic seeing the west being defeated by the very thing they created and armed.

"But they are just moderate rebels"

^yep^ and Osama Bin laden was funded and supported by USA & CIA when he was with the Mujahideen.

https://woldcnews.com/883341/how-the-cia-helped-create-osama-bin-laden/

During in the 1970s, when the Russia was the biggest threat to America and radical Islam was not as a concern of the USA’s, the USA began funding and training Islamic militants to fight our Russian enemies in Afghanistan.

These militants, known as the mujahideen would rebel the Russians out of Afghanistan and later become the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

One of the most prominent members of he mujahideen was a wealthy son of a Saudi Arabian businessman named Osama Bin Laden.

National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski visited Afganistan in 1979 and met with Bin Laden and even took a picture with him. Brzezinski would tell the mujahideen

and U.S.A. funded and supported Bin Laden during the Afghan war.

Former British Foreign secretary, Robin Cook said:

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.

Several other authors, journalists and statesmen have all made the claim that Bin Laden was funded, armed and trained by the CIA to fight off the Russians.

After Ronald Reagan was elected in 1981, U.S. funding of the mujahideen increased significantly and CIA Paramilitary Officers played a big role in training, arming and sometimes even leading mujahideen forces.

The CIA trained the mujahideen in many of the tactics Al Qaeda is known for today, such as car bombs, assassinations and other acts that would be considered terrorism today.

The U.S.A. would fund Gulbuddin Hekmatyar a mujahideen leader and alleged heroin dealer who worked closely with Bin Laden. Hekmaytyar and his political party/paramilitary group would receive more than $600 million from the USA. Author, Alfred McCoy, would claim that the CIA supported Hekmatyar in his illicit heroin trade to allow him to fund the mujahideen.Like Bin Laden, Hekmatyar has also become an enemy of the U.S., waging a war against coalition forces in Afghanistan after 2001.

America must learn from the foreign policy mistakes of our past. These mistakes have lead to the creation of our enemies, such as Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noreaga, and Osama Bin Laden. The enemy of our enemy is not always our friend, most often they become our enemies too.
 
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Russian consulate and Afghan army fleeing for their lives. I mean really , who wants to be a POW to the taliban ? Fucking nobody .
 
During in the 1970s, when the Russia was the biggest threat to America and radical Islam was not as a concern of the USA’s, the USA began funding and training Islamic militants to fight our Russian enemies in Afghanistan.

These militants, known as the mujahideen would rebel the Russians out of Afghanistan and later become the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.
Don't forget about the heroin...

The Mujahideen that later evolved into the Taliban and Al-Qaeda were forced to pay the CIA for the arms, and they could only do so by growing poppy.
Afghanistan produced about 100 tons of opium annually in the 1970s. By 1989-1990, that amount of opium had become 2,000 tons a year, which was already about 75% of the world’s illicit opium trade.
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America must learn from the foreign policy mistakes of our past. These mistakes have lead to the creation of our enemies, such as Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noreaga, and Osama Bin Laden. The enemy of our enemy is not always our friend, most often they become our enemies too.


Don't forget about the heroin...


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Grooming and feeding snakes is risky business. Hopefully our alpha foreign policy thinkers have realized that now.
 
Afghanistan has been turned over to China. Mission accomplished. Americans were just the tools to do the heavy lifting and pay the bills ("military men are dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns of foreign policy", as Kissinger was quoted as saying). It was actually a smashing success, not an utter failure, but I guess that depends on whether you're an elite or the mother of a dead 22 year old soldier.

This official Afghan government website details it very thoroughly:
https://recca.af/?page_id=2077

http://recca.af/?p=1909




https://www.timesofisrael.com/machi...nger-shaped-us-policy-with-jewish-philosophy/
19_HK_Bush-1024x640.jpg

(worth clicking link to see the photo slide show)
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Kissinger's secret 1971 trip to China
https://china.usc.edu/getting-beijing-henry-kissingers-secret-1971-trip

Visit was 50 years ago as of this month, July 2021.

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That highlighted quote sounds too incredible, did the famous advisor of numerous Presidents really say that...
 
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