And down come the monuments to the Confederacy....

[Swordsmyth]

You do know "1984" is a work of fiction. But even if it was non fiction, the state cannot destroy/rewrite every book, only some statues are being removed, dates cannot be altered because there are just too many places the with dates of events recorded. The totalitarian world described in 1984 is not what we are facing where removing a statues somehow removes the information about Robert Lee.

Its cool quoting 1984, but this one doesn't apply in our society.

It can happen here, if the left gains unfettered control of the reigns of government for a long enough time they will indulge their wildest fantasies, we are all that stops them.

 

[Antischism]

They immortalized an effort to walk away from this government.

To preserve their slave economy. You can't disentangle the two. You can champion secession without glorifying old racists.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

You do know "1984" is a work of fiction. But even if it was non fiction, the state cannot destroy/rewrite every book, only some statues are being removed, dates cannot be altered because there are just too many places the with dates of events recorded. The totalitarian world described in 1984 is not what we are facing where removing a statues somehow removes the information about Robert Lee.

Its cool quoting 1984, but this one doesn't apply in our society.

Yes, but like many pieces of art, it illustrates a certain truth.There is no denying that there are and always have been people who want to alter or wash historical facts from mass consciousness. (John Taylor Gatto talks about this inhis books and lectures on public schooling. He who controls people's understandingof the past can manipulate how they think about the present andfuture.

 

[Swordsmyth]

To preserve their slave economy. You can't disentangle the two.

Bunk, I see you didn't read the posts I suggested.

 

[juleswin]

Once all human records are in "the cloud", re writing history and sending things permanently down the memory, will be a snap.

The proliferation of flash drives and external hard drives assures me that people are still storing their data in hardware. I have the videos of just about every conspiracy theory videos I like, copies of all my pics, still keep hard copy books and I am sure I am not the only person doing this.

At this point in time, it would be almost impossible for the state to change dates of important events. This is because all human record(99% sure of this) will never be stored in the clouds.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

To preserve their slave economy. You can't disentangle the two.

Among other things. It was an agrarian economy at the time. As even Ron Paul points out, slavery would've died out with automation like it did everywhere else in the first world.

 

[jllundqu]

They will march a path right to Monticello and Mt. Vernon... simply because they were 'white slave owners'.

 

[Slave Mentality]

You do know "1984" is a work of fiction. But even if it was non fiction, the state cannot destroy/rewrite every book, only some statues are being removed, dates cannot be altered because there are just too many places the with dates of events recorded. The totalitarian world described in 1984 is not what we are facing where removing a statues somehow removes the information about Robert Lee.

Its cool quoting 1984, but this one doesn't apply in our society.

Counterpoint: The Indian Wars

 

[heavenlyboy34]

It can happen here, if the left gains unfettered control of the reigns of government for a long enough time they will indulge their wildest fantasies, we are all that stops them.

+rep. Kurwa

 

[phill4paul]

They will march a path right to Monticello and Mt. Vernon... simply because they were 'white slave owners'.

That's the end game. The Constitution was a racist document therefore it is illegitimate. Bring on full scale Democracy. Death to the Republic.

 

[juleswin]

Yes, but like many pieces of art, it illustrates a certain truth.There is no denying that there are and always have been people who want to alter or wash historical facts from mass consciousness. (John Taylor Gatto talks about this inhis books and lectures on public schooling. He who controls people's understandingof the past can manipulate how they think about the present andfuture.

The point is that they've already altered the history behind the man, everybody but a small fringe minority still believe the civil war was about something else other than slavery. They achieved this without changing any dates or removing any statues. Think WWII and even a smaller minority believe Hitler did not gas the jews. My point is that the state can achieve all of this without ever moving monuments.

I think this whole incident is their way of painting the non establishment movement on the right as neo Nazis.

 

[Antischism]

Among other things. It was an agrarian economy at the time. As even Ron Paul points out, slavery would've died out with automation like it did everywhere else in the first world.

Not only does that argument rely on hindsight, but it's patently absurd to suggest it would have been preferable for slaves to wait in the hopes that their masters would one day be kind enough to let them go. This also ignores the fact that a commercially viable cotton-harvesting machine wasn't available until after World War II.

 

[tod evans]

If the slaves of years gone by are important to you then gather money and build them a fucking monument.

Leave other peoples monuments alone.

 

[Anti Federalist]

To preserve their slave economy. You can't disentangle the two. You can champion secession without glorifying old racists.

It was the concepts and philosophy and religion of white westerners that provided the impetus to abolish slavery.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Not only does that argument rely on hindsight, but it's patently absurd to suggest it would have been preferable for slaves to wait in the hopes that their masters would one day be kind enough to let them go. This also ignores the fact that a commercially viable cotton-harvesting machine wasn't available until after World War II.

The abolition movement started in the south, the south was already on the way to ending slavery peacefully, Lincoln had no intention of ending slavery until he needed a propaganda boost for the war effort.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is because all human record(99% sure of this) will never be stored in the clouds.

You know how many times over my life I have heard "that will never happen", especially when it comes to political oppression or government control or technological horrors?

Enough to dismiss anybody who says it, out of hand.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Not only does that argument rely on hindsight, but it's patently absurd to suggest it would have been preferable for slaves to wait in the hopes that their masters would one day be kind enough to let them go. This also ignores the fact that a commercially viable cotton-harvesting machine wasn't available until after World War II.

Preferableto a bloody invasion? Yes. A better alternative, if the goal reallywas an immediate end to slavery would've been to buy all the slaves and emancipate them.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

Funny name for someone being so inflammatory and divisive here. . .

thought said he was outta here already. . .

 

[donnay]

You do know "1984" is a work of fiction. But even if it was non fiction, the state cannot destroy/rewrite every book, only some statues are being removed, dates cannot be altered because there are just too many places the with dates of events recorded. The totalitarian world described in 1984 is not what we are facing where removing a statues somehow removes the information about Robert Lee.

Its cool quoting 1984, but this one doesn't apply in our society.

It's the globalists playbook.

 

[jllundqu]

That's the end game. The Constitution was a racist document therefore it is illegitimate. Bring on full scale Democracy. Death to the Republic.

BRING. IT. ON.

One side has 200 million guns, the other side doesn't know which restroom to use.