Anarchy Draws Near as Greece Flirts With Default

[centure7]

If Greece collapses, you'll get to see how "wonderful" Anarchy is.

Also, you'll get to see how quickly Anarchy turns into a Dictatorship.

Your simply defining anarchy as complete chaos, are you not? What I see happening in Greece is political people vying for political power. Greece is nearly 100% socialists, so how in the HELL could anarchists possibly take over as you are saying?

Right now there is hardly a place in the world that has the potential to collapse into anarchy.

Anarchy is something that has to exist where there are people with a philosophy of anarchism. Do you understand that? Now show me the groups in Greece who specifically have an anarchist philosophy.

This is nothing but propaganda for those reasons I've just outline, and you should be careful not to swallow state propaganda like that. Even New Hampshire, with the highest population of people who would consider them selves in support of a government free solution, still only has a tiny number of anarchists (a minority even within the Free State Project).

Given those kind of numbers, I'm embarrassed for anyone who laughably says that an anarchy is being set up in Greece. Laughable and wrong. If anarchy is defined as complete chaos, then sure. If anarchy is defined of a group of people with anarchist philosophy, then not even remotely close to being remotely correct.

 

[Demigod]

Well when you are tricked by lobbyists and forced by big banks is it really their fault? As for Greece having "serious problems history shows that", does that imply that its wrong when the people see that their government is not working in their best interest and the people protest? Here in Greece people have the power unlike the west and britain where tails are tucked between their legs and they bow to whatever the government orders. Only now the government is scrambling to appease the Banking overlords and its citizens simultaneously......it can't happen

Just because this is an American forum does not mean that only Americans read it.You can tell them this fairy tales but why don't you tell them the truth.

Greece 30-40 years ago was a village.You borrowed and borrowed like there is no tomorrow ( I will not even mention all the grants the EU gave you and USA money for their bases in Greece until the USSR fell apart and the bases were moved).

You lived like x10 beyond your means and now the time is up to pay.Although I do not approve of what the Bankers are doing to you at the moment,if you did what should have happened and that is to go bankrupt then the EU would have had no other option except to come and take the money by force.And if you do not do what the bankers say they will come and take the money by force.

If you think that there is a scenario where you just walk away is beyond fantasy.You have 2 options either you will be slaves to the IMF or the IMF will come and take the money as they did in Libya ( this scenario is already in play by demonizing you in front of the European and international community as lazy and arrogant,also you burning German flags does not really help you).

And don't give me that the politicians took all the money cause you just lost the 13 and 14 salary with the new deal.You got bonuses for knowing a second language and having computer skills and my favorite TO HEAT YOUR CARS IN THE WINTER.Why didn't you protest when you received 1500+ euro salary's with a minimum of 700 although you did not produce anything ? while your entire region had an average of 300-400

 

[seraphson]

Withdrawal symptoms from weening people off their addiction to credit.

"Free" money is probably the worst addiction to behold. It's effects are slow but potent; strong enough to ruin nations that can't break the habit.

 

[Pericles]

If Greece collapses, you'll get to see how "wonderful" Anarchy is.

Also, you'll get to see how quickly Anarchy turns into a Dictatorship.

That ^ Anarchy is a vacuum - and something always fills a vacuum.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Bump

 

[xFiFtyOnE]

Isn't the Fed going to secretly bail out Greece?

No. It's collection time.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

How many civilizations have come and gone? I bet everyone thought it would last forever.

 

[Fredom101]

Chaos draws near as the inevitable effects of statism are played out. Anarchy, asked to comment, replied "I don't have anything to do with this."

Haha, my sediments exactly!

Hopefully the majority of the citizens there are well versed in austrian economics and are fans of Rothbard!

 

[Fredom101]

That ^ Anarchy is a vacuum - and something always fills a vacuum.

Total BS. This has nothing to do with anarchy. Anarchy means "no ruler".

Chaos is taking place in Greece, not anarchy.

If there were no state, there would be no "vacuum" to take over. It's all in everyone's minds. If we agree that we do not own ourselves, that others can rule over us, then this cycle of violence will never end.

 

[down_south]

Did anyone hear about the buildings the Greeks were burning down in Athens? So, they get a bailout and then burn buildings? Is all the bailout money going to go to rebuilding those buildings? Sounds like a winning economic formula to me!

 

[culvereric]

End of Statism

I do not approve of Anachy but it is unfortunate the US is bypassing the Anarchy stage and going directly to a Dictatorship. If our government is successful, we are in for one hell of a future with or without the Anarchy stage.

So you approve of the initiation of force and disagree with the non-agression principle? Or you have a different definition of Anarchy? Either way I got news for you. The end of statism will happen!

 

[thetruthhurtsthefed]

Demigod....What makes you think that the people want the bailouts? Please don't tell me that you think the politicians represent the voice of the people?
You lived like x10 beyond your means and now the time is up to pay. Kettle this is the Pot. Concern yourself with your (US) debt which makes Greece's look like an unpaid phone bill. What is going on financially in Greece is exactly what is happening is the US but the Fed just keeps the US afloat, what makes you think that all the tax payers will ever pay back the interest of these QE dumps? Why is Ron Paul calling to liquidate the debt? Do you even listen to Ron Paul or do you pick and choose what you like? Greece should liquidate its debt and the rest of Europe and the world will follow suit and we can all watch the banks sink into a pile of their own crap. Lets see if the IMF can take on the entire world.
I for one do not believe that the US ppl wanted the bailout the Fed issued and the government swallowed....what do you call it QE 1, 2,3??? Not much is being done in the US by the ppl, aside from Ron Paul.
And don't give me that the politicians took all the money cause you just lost the 13 and 14 salary with the new deal Again, kettle this is the pot, can you tell me where most of the TARP funding went or where a couple Trillion went missing? Demigod, you really are not making any sense or you are arguing and you don't know why

 

[kuckfeynes]

Chaos draws near as the inevitable effects of statism are played out. Anarchy, asked to comment, replied "I don't have anything to do with this."

Frankly I'm amazed how many people on this site seem to not get this joke!

 

[XNavyNuke]

Don't know how many of you have seen this article in the Times by a guest contributor from the John Adams Institute. Its a long and interesting read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/the-way-greeks-live-now.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=world

I loved this quote, because unlike most of the Americans that Dr. Paul is trying to get engaged with their freedoms, most of us here understand that its about those who run the system.

As Varoufakis writes in his recent book, “The Global Minotaur,” the world in which we have been living until recently functioned thanks to the voracious consumption of a different kind of beast. After World War II, the U.S. built up the infrastructure of its European allies as well as its former enemies, all of whom became trading partners. The U.S., with its great industrial and financial might, became the world’s surplus nation: its profits flowed out to its allies in the form of aid and investments. By the early 1970s, however, other countries had robust economies, and the U.S. was a debtor nation. “At that moment, certain very bright men within the American financial hierarchy made a stunning realization,” Varoufakis told me. The realization was that it didn’t matter if the U.S. was the biggest surplus or biggest debtor nation. What mattered was controlling the world’s primary currency, which would allow the United States to continue to recycle the global economic surplus. The idea was not unlike the thinking behind a casino — whichever gamblers are winning or losing, the house, which sets the terms and takes its cut, always wins.

XNN

 

[JuicyG]

If Greece collapses, you'll get to see how "wonderful" Anarchy is.

Also, you'll get to see how quickly Anarchy turns into a Dictatorship.

These are common misconceptions of anarchy. The meaning of the word got seriously twisted by the mainstream media.
Basically mainstream media got into people`s heads the idea that anarchy=chaos. Far from it.

The famous A symbol in a circle(O letter) stands for "anarchy is order".

Anarchy doesn't always have to lead to a dictatorship, but historically, It's always always led to some form of government

Nope. Anarchy hasn`t lead to dictatorships. Chaos after a powergrab or after a revolution has lead to dictatorships, but that`s not the same thing.

Anarchy is a very complex philosophical system that can be achieved only with like minded individuals. Anarchy is not a natural state which takes place after a government is toppled, in the absence of an enforcement authority!!!

Too many people here are brainwashed on what anarchy means. Pick up some anarchist philosophy and get informed on the subject instead of just spewing mainstream media notions. You`re not doing anyone a favor. If you`re not knowledgeable on a subject, just say you don`t know about it and move along. It`s not a shame to admit you`re clueless in certain areas. I`ve read some books on anarchist philosophy but I`m still pretty much a novice on the subject.

 

[Liberty74]

Once Greece goes , America has maybe two weeks itself.

I am hearing two turning dates. Mark these down - Feb 21 and Mar 20. The later is the first set of bonds due by Greece to default.

 

[KingNothing]

Once Greece goes , America has maybe two weeks itself.

I am hearing two turning dates. Mark these down - Feb 21 and Mar 20. The later is the first set of bonds due by Greece to default.

How Lindsay Williams-esque. I love when he goes on Alex Jones and tells listeners to mark things down, and then when the dates pass and nothing happens he comes on again and once more tells listeners to mark things down. Those dates come and go too and nothing happens, but Lindsay still has his following.

Greece might completely implode. It might not. If it does, Europe might fall with it. Then again, Europe might not. Either way, the sun will still rise. The earth will still have natural resources, and all of us will still have the skills and talents that we had the day before. The world will not end.

....get your go-bags and escape routes together, though. Just in case.

 

[xFiFtyOnE]

Once Greece goes , America has maybe two weeks itself.

I am hearing two turning dates. Mark these down - Feb 21 and Mar 20. The later is the first set of bonds due by Greece to default.

That quick huh? I figured it would take atleast 2 more countries falling after Greece before the domino effect hits the U.S.

 

[Liberty74]

How Lindsay Williams-esque. I love when he goes on Alex Jones and tells listeners to mark things down, and then when the dates pass and nothing happens he comes on again and once more tells listeners to mark things down. Those dates come and go too and nothing happens, but Lindsay still has his following.

Greece might completely implode. It might not. If it does, Europe might fall with it. Then again, Europe might not. Either way, the sun will still rise. The earth will still have natural resources, and all of us will still have the skills and talents that we had the day before. The world will not end.

....get your go-bags and escape routes together, though. Just in case.

There are variables that happen that can occur that displaces dates and time lines predictions. For an example, the Iran war has been in place for years. The war was suppose to happen two Decembers ago. Greece should have collapsed by now as well, hence the constant bailouts by ECB, IMF, etc.

The dates mentioned above are not from Lindsay. They are from a European banker from the inside.

The Greece collapse will happen. It's so elementary.

 

[Liberty74]

That quick huh? I figured it would take atleast 2 more countries falling after Greece before the domino effect hits the U.S.

You're right, there will be other European countries like Spain, Portugal and Italy collapsing before America. The effects from across the Atlantic aren't going to be immediate and then severe overnight. Two weeks is when crap starts to fall apart here. How long that takes could be up to the government and FED.