Analysis of Ron Paul Progress Video

[familydog]

And this is why we won't win. Because people have no patience, or vision to realize that this may take a couple elections to realize. You want instant results, immediately. You want respect, for a movement that polls at 5% nationally.

You keep plugging third party, then complain that the GOP treats the movement like a disease.


I have thought about it, and I know a little about it. Dr. Paul is setting up a new coalition for the Republican Party whether he wins or loses. He's not going to run again at 76 years old. He's basically admitted he never ran with the intention of winning. And most importantly, he only leaves the option of a third party run open so that his competitors and the party have to consider it later.

A 3rd party candidate has zero chance of winning. That's reality. No one even comes close. Ballot access is an issue, as are the debates (minimum national poll requirement).

And before people bring up the Libertarian party, they aren't even able to get 1 million votes nationally on their own. Dr. Paul's not going to throw away all of the clout built up in the Republican party by switching bids at the last minute. He's positioning himself to be the next Robert Taft.

QFT. His hard work on getting his message respect is working. It's going slow, but it's working. These people who want to piss all over the GOP if he doesn't get the nomination (or even before) are helping to undo all his hard work within the party.

 

[speciallyblend]

well this is the way i look at

And this is why we won't win. Because people have no patience, or vision to realize that this may take a couple elections to realize. You want instant results, immediately. You want respect, for a movement that polls at 5% nationally.

You keep plugging third party, then complain that the GOP treats the movement like a disease.


I have thought about it, and I know a little about it. Dr. Paul is setting up a new coalition for the Republican Party whether he wins or loses. He's not going to run again at 76 years old. He's basically admitted he never ran with the intention of winning. And most importantly, he only leaves the option of a third party run open so that his competitors and the party have to consider it later.

A 3rd party candidate has zero chance of winning. That's reality. No one even comes close. Ballot access is an issue, as are the debates (minimum national poll requirement).

And before people bring up the Libertarian party, they aren't even able to get 1 million votes nationally on their own. Dr. Paul's not going to throw away all of the clout built up in the Republican party by switching bids at the last minute. He's positioning himself to be the next Robert Taft.

If Ron Paul has a 0% chance of winning the election,then that means the gop has -100% chance of winning the general election, and me and many ron paul supporters will make 100% sure of that, no sympathy anymore for the gop. They made their bed and they can flip around like a fish out of water for all i care anymore,after all the tactics and unethical things the gop have done along with the msm.
No mercy,if the gop doesnt nominate Ron Paul,then thats not my fault,they can lose the general election,I'll be voting Ron Paul the gop doesnt force me to vote for hillary republicans

RON PAUL vs Hillary Republicans,the republican party is dead ,unless they nominate Ron Paul2008

anyone care to make a bet? the gop should be very scared,they know exactly what they are doing. They are driving me out of the party.

if any ron paul supporters vote for another republican in the general election,then they were never a ron paul supporter to begin with..

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

A 3rd party candidate has zero chance of winning. That's reality. No one even comes close. Ballot access is an issue, as are the debates (minimum national poll requirement).

You are wrong. You are being a pessimist, I am sorry to say. Ross Perot took 20% of the vote in 1992 and could have won if he did not drop out and have a meltdown. He was leading the polls before that, beating both Clinton and Bush.

Come on, man. Have some confidence in Ron. People are just discouraged because hasn't been winning in the GOP. But the GOP is a crippled, sick, corrupt, war-mongering party.

 

[Richie]

You guys seem to be overlooking some things. Ron Paul has another fight to fight in after the primaries are over. He's being challenged for his Congressional seat by a neocon in his district. It's possible that he might be thinking of retiring from politics and closing it out with another independent/third party Presidential run, but look at him - he has more energy then me, and I'm only 17! Physically, he's perfectly capable of serving a couple more terms in Congress.

Also, an independent/third party run would keep him off the ballot in some states; due to soar loser laws.

One more thing - it would be impractical for him to run as an independent. That would require TONS of work on our part with ballot access. We definitely have the man power to get on the ballot in some places, but not in all 50 states. A more practical approach would be running as a Libertarian. The Libertarian Party would guarantee ballot access in 48-49 states (minus the soar loser states).

Don't take this the wrong way - I want to vote for Ron Paul in the general election no matter what. But, we have to keep in mind his own personal limitations, and other details.

 

[me3]

RON PAUL vs Hillary Republicans,the republican party is dead ,unless they nominate Ron Paul2008

Sometimes the naivety of supporters is astounding.

If the GOP loses badly by picking someone else, there will be a power vacuum. We are putting ourselves in position to not only fill that vacuum, but to take over a national party infrastructure and use it to push the Freedom Agenda.

This is an amazing opportunity. Understand it for what it is. The GOP can be what enough of us want it to be, if we're willing to bite our lip right now, and work to accomplish our goals.

Do people even realize how long the Trilateral Commission and CFR have been working and building up their influence? This is a multi-generational struggle, it doesn't end on Feb 5th, or Jan 29th, or at the 2008 RNC. This is a beginning.

Otherwise, some other idiots will take over the GOP, and we'll be right back where we started in 2000, but with the tables turned between the Republicans and Democrats.

Think strategically. Especially the young people. Ron Paul is not the answer to the problem, YOU ARE the answer to the problem.

 

[Mandrik]

If you think there is a media blackout now, I only see it getting worse with a 3rd party run.

 

[familydog]

You are wrong. You are being a pessimist, I am sorry to say. Ross Perot took 20% of the vote in 1992 and could have won if he did not drop out and have a meltdown. He was leading the polls before that, beating both Clinton and Bush.

Come on, man. Have some confidence in Ron. People are just discouraged because hasn't been winning in the GOP. But the GOP is a crippled, sick, corrupt, war-mongering party.

I didn't realize Paul will have 60+ million dollars to spend.

 

[speciallyblend]

Yep

You are wrong. You are being a pessimist, I am sorry to say. Ross Perot took 20% of the vote in 1992 and could have won if he did not drop out and have a meltdown. He was leading the polls before that, beating both Clinton and Bush.

Come on, man. Have some confidence in Ron. People are just discouraged because hasn't been winning in the GOP. But the GOP is a crippled, sick, corrupt, war-mongering party.

100% correct, THE GOP NEEDS US,WE DONT NEED THE GOP the gop better figure this out quick,or they will kill their own party. Ron Paul Supporters are not going to vote for big intrusive hillary warmongering republicans

ron paul2008

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

You guys seem to be overlooking some things. Ron Paul has another fight to fight in after the primaries are over. He's being challenged for his Congressional seat by a neocon in his district. It's possible that he might be thinking of retiring from politics and closing it out with another independent/third party Presidential run, but look at him - he has more energy then me, and I'm only 17! Physically, he's perfectly capable of serving a couple more terms in Congress.

His seat is not in jeopardy.

Also, an independent/third party run would keep him off the ballot in some states; due to soar loser laws.

That has been debunked. No such laws will hamper an independent run by Ron.

One more thing - it would be impractical for him to run as an independent. That would require TONS of work on our part with ballot access. We definitely have the man power to get on the ballot in some places, but not in all 50 states. A more practical approach would be running as a Libertarian. The Libertarian Party would guarantee ballot access in 48-49 states (minus the soar loser states).

We have all the people and money we need to get him on the ballots. This is not even a question.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I didn't realize Paul will have 60+ million dollars to spend.

My guess would be closer $100 million.

 

[Arklatex]

Root for Hillary. We'll get most of the young-uns from Obama.

Not to mention all the anyone-but-Hill democrats.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

maytheron be with you hit it before me. i wanted to comment on sore loser laws. But guys, the thing is, we all want the doctor to get the gop nomination, but if he doesn't, would you be willing to support him even farther. I know I would.

 

[Eric21ND]

If it does come to an Independent run I will give him my full tax rebate check.

 

[EndTheFed]

Has anyone noticed the numbers of voters voting in the democrat primaries/caucuses?

Dems are KILLING the GOP.

If RP goes third party, he will pull from both plus independents.

I think with 10 months more media blackout wont matter. He would be in the debates or there would be hell to pay.

 

[Opiner]

Dr. Paul is advocating peace and the other three candidates ahead of him are warmongers. The conclusion from Dr. Paul’s analysis, “fourth place out of eleven is not all that bad” seems shallow. Since peace is the right choice and the majority of people are against it then things must not be that good. I mean what is going on here, advocating peace is unpatriotic, questioning officials’ conduct is conspiratorial, saying the truth is ridiculous, banging the drums of war is popular and advocating torture and violence is conforming to the norm. I think addressing the situation realistically and not resorting to convenient conclusions in search for comfort is clearly the better approach. Dr. Paul says the fight is worth it but if he clarifies how much worth it the fight is it would be helpful. We have to realize that the biggest obstacle against this message is the public mindset created by the misinformation complex.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

If it does come to an Independent run I will give him my full tax rebate check.

Best. Idea. Ever.

 

[Arklatex]

LOVE IS OUR RELIGION!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-8oAGvFxevw

 

[LibertyEagle]

"I'll drop out when my supporters lose confidence and they no longer volunteer and they no longer send money."

What this said to me is that he is seeing our donations waning. What I have heard coming from Ron through his asking for $23mil more, thru the endorsement of MLK on television/changing the widget/acknowledging the Anniversary moneybomb w/calls from HQ --all the way through until now-- is that our support appears to be waning. Did Ron ever have to ask us about moneybombs for Nov 5th or Dec16th? No! Now he is asking us and we aren't answering back in a big way.

Our donations aren't showing the support!!

We need to show the campaign that we are still in this. We do this with our donations and our volunteer actions.

I believe that statement was to be a wake-up call for us.

QFT

 

[Rebel Resource]

I disagree. He will not run 3rd party. He has been there, done that, and knows the odds are it is a waste of money.

Not this time it won't be a waste of money. We'll make a mockery of the two-party system whoever we're against. Think of the ammo we have on Romney, Obama and Hillary.

By the end of 9 months, we'll have educated half of America about our rotten system.

 

[virginiakid]

I wouldn't run 3rd party. I would run Independent though. That is what Joe Lieberman did and he won, even with his own party going against him.

I think the 08 presidential election is the time to run as an independent because people are looking for change. If RP doesn't win the white house, then I will also say that 012 will be a huge year for change.