An Open Letter To Glenn Beck From The Libertarian Org Founder He Called A ‘Jerk’ And ‘Nazi

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An Open Letter To Glenn Beck From The Libertarian Org Founder He Called A ‘Jerk’ And ‘Nazi

I know we've had too many threads about Glenn Beck today, but please indulge just one more. I just ran across this article that addresses the issue of "Glenn Beck as libertarian", and this young man has expressed my feelings about it much better than I have done.




As we reported here, last Friday on his radio show,Glenn Beck went after the “Nazi,” “fascistic,” “jerk” libertarians who refuse to accept his newfound “libertarianism.” As it turns out, he was largely referring to the president of Students for Liberty (SFL), Alexander McCobin.

During his opening remarks at the 2013 International SFL Conference — the same event at which Ann Coulter called libertarians “pussies” — McCobin called on Beck to renounce his previously staunch conservative and neoconservative positions and engage the libertarian community in an “open and honest” way. Beck did not take well to such criticism, referring to McCobin as a “grand inquisitor,” among other names. – Andrew Kirell, Sr. Editor, Mediaite.

Below is an open response letter from McCobin, printed exclusively at Mediaite.


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Dear Mr. Beck,

There is no reason you should have heard of me before. I’m just a guy who became enamored with the principles of liberty in 9th grade and grew to appreciate the philosophical rigor and enormous individual and societal benefits that flow from them. I’m now a graduate student in philosophy, and co-founder and president of a nonprofit organization called Students For Liberty (SFL) that began 5 years ago to support libertarian students and student organizations.

Today, SFL has over 900 student organizations in our network, is run by over 250 volunteer student leaders who are working to change the world, runs dozens of conferences for thousands of students around the world, provides a plethora of resources to young libertarians everywhere, such as 175,000 free copies of our 3rd publication, After the Welfare State. SFL is dedicated to expanding the younger generation’s understanding and appreciation of the philosophy of freedom and the benefits that may be derived from it.

This is admittedly an ambitious and long-term goal, but one that I am optimistic about and pursue because of the inherent value of liberty. I am writing this letter today because of the comments you made about me on your show this past Friday, February 22, 2013. Regrettably, you called me a Nazi, a fascist, a jerk, a guy who “thinks he’s God”. I submit I am none of those things, or at least I don’t try to be. I have no intention of getting caught up in name-calling or responding to the many strawmen you constructed and then ridiculed. There is no profit in that. It’s water under the bridge. So, I admit that my rhetoric may have been exaggerated during my opening speech at the 6th International Students For Liberty Conference on February 15, 2013 where 1,400+ young libertarians gathered to learn about the ideas of liberty and strategize how to advance freedom. But those comments resonated with the attendees, as your staffer told you, and the substantive point I was trying to make was apropos: for more than a decade, you worked very hard and very successfully at branding yourself as a key figure in conservatism, not just economic conservatism, but also social and neoconservatism. Not only are these not libertarian positions, but to associate libertarianism with them makes it that much harder to introduce libertarianism to more people, especially young people who are turned off by conservatism. After you spent over 10 years denouncing libertarianism, actively working against our causes, and building up a certain reputation for yourself directly opposed to our ideas, I think it’s reasonable for me and other libertarians to be skeptical when you suddenly claim to be a libertarian. I really hope you have changed your views and that you are committed to libertarianism (your segment on Friday included more renunciations of your past conservative positions than I have ever heard from you, which I admire). However, it’s going to take more than new window dressing for me and many others to believe that you’re a libertarian. Show us that you’re libertarian through the positions you take beyond conservatism, the groups you support, the people you invite to your show, indeed, even just in the conversations you are willing to have.

I truly hope there is an opportunity to open a constructive dialogue that could be to our, and to the cause of liberty’s, benefit. In fact, I emailed your team last week, on Wednesday, February 20th, before your February 22nd segment, and offered to have an open conversation about the meaning of libertarianism. I received a response later that evening that immediately shot me down. In short, the message I received was that you and your team had your own conception of libertarianism and had nothing more to learn about the philosophy, at least not from people like me. I am going to hope that this was an error on the part of one of your staffers rather than a true reflection of your beliefs, so will make the same offer to you here: I would like to have an open, honest conversation about the meaning of libertarianism with you if you are up for it. It can be a private conversation between the two of us if you don’t want prying ears, or it can be public for others to benefit as well. Are you willing to have that conversation?

I dislike “tribes” in the sense that I think purity tests in the libertarian movement are more often antithetical to our cause than they are helpful (see my Cato Unbound article on the subject). I embrace a big-tent approach to libertarianism. Students For Liberty even explicitly opposes purity tests in terms of particular justifications, approaches, or policies for libertarianism. However, libertarianism is not conservatism. There are meaningful differences between these philosophies and the ends we seek. That is why Ann Coulter called libertarians “pussies.” You played a portion of what she said on your show, but you didn’t actually provide the context: John Stossel was asking Coulter about gay marriage and drug legalization, and that attack was part of her response. When Coulter said two men or two women could get married so long as they married someone of the opposite sex, the room of 1,400+ libertarians made their disagreement with her very clear. Would you have expressed disagreement with her promoting the government granting benefits to some individuals and denying those benefits to others based on their sexuality? Libertarianism doesn’t just take stances on economic issues. Libertarianism supports the freedom of all people, in all areas of their lives, not just the freedom of some people to do some things that one group thinks they should. Things like marijuana legalization and non-discrimination are issues of concern to libertarians because they are clear cases of rights violations. And I am raising the question of where you now stand on them for the same reason Ann Coulter became upset with us: they are issues that clearly differentiate libertarianism from conservatism.

To be sure, libertarianism is difficult to define, and there is significant room for debate. It’s something I’ve been studying and trying to understand for a long time, something I am still studying and trying to fully understand. So I think it’s great to hear you say that you’re learning and your views are changing. Whether you believe it or not, I am in your corner more than many; I actually want to believe that you’ve changed, which is more than I can say for most other libertarians I know. I hope you will engage us in a meaningful conversation, embrace the positions where libertarianism is substantially different from conservatism, and work with us for a truly freer future.

If you want young libertarians to take you seriously, please take us seriously. Ultimately, though, if you don’t want to talk to libertarians like myself or the 1,400+ attendees at the largest libertarian student conference in the world, you don’t have to. If you want to call yourself libertarian without actually taking libertarian stances on issues, you have the right to do so. However, I, and many other young (and older) libertarians, also have the right to say that you are not libertarian and that your views are not representative of the libertarian philosophy, the one that we have been and will continue to be committed to.

I hope we can establish a constructive dialogue. At Students For Liberty, we are going to have a long one on our website over the course of this week, which I encourage you and everyone else to follow and participate in. Whether you want to join and grow the conversation is entirely up to you.

Sincerely & For Liberty,
Alexander McCobin
Co-Founder & President, Students For Liberty


http://www.mediaite.com/online/an-o...rg-founder-glenn-beck-called-a-jerk-and-nazi/
 
If Glenn doesn't take him up on his offer he can kiss his new found "libertarianism" buh bye.
 
If Glenn doesn't take him up on his offer he can kiss his new found "libertarianism" buh bye.
Don't ya love how he says he "has own conception of libertarianism and had nothing more to learn about the philosophy, at least not from people (who have been studying and practicing it for a very long time)" what a dickhead.
 
your segment on Friday included more renunciations of your past conservative positions than I have ever heard from you, which I admire

which clip is that?
 
Don't ya love how he says he "has own conception of libertarianism and had nothing more to learn about the philosophy, at least not from people (who have been studying and practicing it for a very long time)" what a dickhead.
Same old slime ball, different group of suckers.
 
I'm moving this to general politics, as requested, but I am pretty sure it was posted before. I may find it and merge them, later
 
I'm moving this to general politics, as requested, but I am pretty sure it was posted before. I may find it and merge them, later
I think the original article where he called libertarians "jerks" and "nazis" was posted...this response is only a couple of hours old.
 
I think the original article where he called libertarians "jerks" and "nazis" was posted...this response is only a couple of hours old.

It was something called 'an open letter to Glenn Beck' but maybe it was a different one... (didn't read.)
 
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This just looks like another divisive attempt between conservatives and libertarians. Why oh why can't we focus on what we agree on, rather than keep trying to drive wedges between us? Ron Paul called himself the most conservative member of Congress. Why do some in this movement hate real conservatives ie. paleocons? If these wedges keep being driven, this movement is never going to go anywhere. Sheesh.
 
Alex McCobin is a jackass. This kind of crap just proves that he is more interested in the libertarian academia club then actually getting our ideas implemented in government. Here we have a person who is genuinely interested in becoming a libertarian, renounced his former positions on gay marriage and marijuana prohibition, shown a much more favorable attitude towards us on foreign policy, and this guy wants to write a letter that essentially says "You can be in our club if you're good, but we're watching you". Who the hell is going to want to join a group of people who act like that?
 
Why do some in this movement hate real conservatives ie. paleocons?

Please give us an example. To my knowledge, paleocons, of the Pat Buchanan type, are almost completely extinct. And in case you didn't notice, Pat Buchanan has been very Ron Paul friendly.
 
This just looks like another divisive attempt between conservatives and libertarians. Why oh why can't we focus on what we agree on, rather than keep trying to drive wedges between us? Ron Paul called himself the most conservative member of Congress. Why do some in this movement hate real conservatives ie. paleocons? If these wedges keep being driven, this movement is never going to go anywhere. Sheesh.

Did you watch the recent video of Judge Napalitano and Beck talking about libertarianism?
Did you notice the strawman beck created when he acted like we are rejecting him because he isn't libertarian enough?
That's a strawman- everyone is rejecting him because he has backstabbed us over and over again and can't be trust.

You and I are not the same kind of liberty person. There are degrees of difference.
But I still consider you a friend of liberty.

But if you did what Beck did over the past 6 years, I wouldn't like you either.
 
This just looks like another divisive attempt between conservatives and libertarians. Why oh why can't we focus on what we agree on, rather than keep trying to drive wedges between us? Ron Paul called himself the most conservative member of Congress. Why do some in this movement hate real conservatives ie. paleocons? If these wedges keep being driven, this movement is never going to go anywhere. Sheesh.

Have you been keeping tabs on Mike Church lately??? He's been tearing down some libertarian sand castles of late. I'm a huge Church fan and Beck pales in comparison to his intellectual depth.
 
This just looks like another divisive attempt between conservatives and libertarians. Why oh why can't we focus on what we agree on, rather than keep trying to drive wedges between us? Ron Paul called himself the most conservative member of Congress. Why do some in this movement hate real conservatives ie. paleocons? If these wedges keep being driven, this movement is never going to go anywhere. Sheesh.

That's a good point. I didn't find the open letter to Glenn Beck too impressive based on the fact that he seemed content with attacking conservatism and the fact that he openly supports gay marriage licenses when he should be opposing all marriage licenses. He can't call himself a libertarian in my book if his priority in the marriage debate is equal government licenses to all instead of no government licenses for any. He also seems to think that gays having equal rights as heterosexuals is disproven by the fact that gays do not WANT to marry the opposite sex.

Well, I'm sorry, Mr. Libertarian, but rights are not defined by what we want. Everyone has equal rights. If you want to marry someone of the same sex, go ahead. Just don't expect a government handout. Government handouts are NOT rights.

It sickens me that so many people seem to hold this position and yet have the gall to call themselves libertarians and anarchists and whatnot. It makes me sick.
 
That's a good point. I didn't find the open letter to Glenn Beck too impressive based on the fact that he seemed content with attacking conservatism and the fact that he openly supports gay marriage licenses when he should be opposing all marriage licenses. He can't call himself a libertarian in my book if his priority in the marriage debate is equal government licenses to all instead of no government licenses for any. He also seems to think that gays having equal rights as heterosexuals is disproven by the fact that gays do not WANT to marry the opposite sex.

Well, I'm sorry, Mr. Libertarian, but rights are not defined by what we want. Everyone has equal rights. If you want to marry someone of the same sex, go ahead. Just don't expect a government handout. Government handouts are NOT rights.

It sickens me that so many people seem to hold this position and yet have the gall to call themselves libertarians and anarchists and whatnot. It makes me sick.

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This just looks like another divisive attempt between conservatives and libertarians. Why oh why can't we focus on what we agree on, rather than keep trying to drive wedges between us? Ron Paul called himself the most conservative member of Congress. Why do some in this movement hate real conservatives ie. paleocons? If these wedges keep being driven, this movement is never going to go anywhere. Sheesh.

"REAL TRUE" Conservatives would support smaller gov and individual liberty example marijuana. for or against doesn't matter under a conservative republican platform. As for gay marriage or any marriage a non-issue if you're a "TRUE" Conservative Republican who believes in individual liberty and smaller gov. The roots of the gop republican platform. SHEESH, conservatives will be held accountable by conservatives like me for overstepping the republican platform.
 
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