An assessment of the LA caucuses

[hueylong]

You wonder why Dr. Paul has an image problem.

The Louisiana organizers busted their asses, and did great. They just got outflanked by people who have been working in Republican politics in this state for 25 years or more.

We are amateurs at this process. Hard working, well intended amateurs -- but amateurs.

And when we don't win (and 99% of the people posting on these forums don't even know the most basic rules about how the caucus works) we run around screaming conspiracy, and corruption.

There was no conspiracy. There was no corruption. All the delegates were running uncommitted, and the pro-life slate turned out its people.

Last night, every idiot and his brother was running around claiming we had won every delegate in the state. Ridiculous.

Grow up.

Give the Louisiana organizers some props. They worked hard, and did their best.

After the provisional ballots are counted -- we'll know how many delegates (out of 105) we have elected to the state convention.

THEN -- we'll know what the situation is.

Til then -- get a grip.

 

[Give me liberty]

Btw on Nj radio station

Ron paul said HE might have come first place in Louisiana

 

[stevedasbach]

You wonder why Dr. Paul has an image problem.

The Louisiana organizers busted their asses, and did great. They just got outflanked by people who have been working in Republican politics in this state for 25 years or more.

We are amateurs at this process. Hard working, well intended amateurs -- but amateurs.

And when we don't win (and 99% of the people posting on these forums don't even know the most basic rules about how the caucus works) we run around screaming conspiracy, and corruption.

There was no conspiracy. There was no corruption. All the delegates were running uncommitted, and the pro-life slate turned out its people.

Last night, every idiot and his brother was running around claiming we had won every delegate in the state. Ridiculous.

Grow up.

Give the Louisiana organizers some props. They worked hard, and did their best.

After the provisional ballots are counted -- we'll know how many delegates (out of 105) we have elected to the state convention.

THEN -- we'll know what the situation is.

Til then -- get a grip.

+1776

 

[hueylong]

We'll know more after the provisional ballots are counted and we know which delegates have been elected.

In District 7, the provisionals probably won't matter. There is a huge drop off in the vote after the 15th spot (which is the cut off).

 

[wgadget]

Maybe we should have run as the PRO-FREEDOM or PRO-CONSTITUTION or PRO-AMERICAN slate.

 

[hueylong]

Wouldn't have made a difference.

 

[Computer]

You wonder why Dr. Paul has an image problem.

The Louisiana organizers busted their asses, and did great. They just got outflanked by people who have been working in Republican politics in this state for 25 years or more.

We are amateurs at this process. Hard working, well intended amateurs -- but amateurs.

And when we don't win (and 99% of the people posting on these forums don't even know the most basic rules about how the caucus works) we run around screaming conspiracy, and corruption.

There was no conspiracy. There was no corruption. All the delegates were running uncommitted, and the pro-life slate turned out its people.

Last night, every idiot and his brother was running around claiming we had won every delegate in the state. Ridiculous.

Grow up.

Give the Louisiana organizers some props. They worked hard, and did their best.

After the provisional ballots are counted -- we'll know how many delegates (out of 105) we have elected to the state convention.

THEN -- we'll know what the situation is.

Til then -- get a grip.

I disagree. This is a deceitful political tactic to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters, who shouldn't be faulted. The pro-life vote was really a coalition of all the other candidates. The fact that all delegates are nominally undecided is just sophistry.

Consider this. Were this tactic implemented in every state, then candidate A, with 40% of the people's support, could conceivably be taken out of the race in the first stage by a coalition of canidates B-G, each with 10% support. That violates the principles of our representative democracy and is like something out of a third world sham election.

 

[hueylong]

Deceitful? What planet are you on? You don't even know the basics of the caucus rules.

All delegates ran uncommitted. We were just trying to elect our people, and they were trying to elect theirs.

In District 7 -- the delegates I see getting elected are all well known people who have worked in Republican politics for decades. They wanted to be delegates, they turned out their people. They won.

Grow up.

 

[Computer]

Deceitful? What planet are you on? You don't even know the basics of the caucus rules.

All delegates ran uncommitted. We were just trying to elect our people, and they were trying to elect theirs.

In District 7 -- the delegates I see getting elected are all well known people who have worked in Republican politics for decades. They wanted to be delegates, they turned out their people. They won.

Grow up.

As I explained, this tactic, were it the norm, could subvert the democratic favorite every time. Then, we're not living in a democracy, we're living in a back room power broker country. You're fervent SUPPORT of our disenfranchisement is SUSPICIOUS.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

I disagree. This is a deceitful political tactic to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters, who shouldn't be faulted. The pro-life vote was really a coalition of all the other candidates. The fact that all delegates are nominally undecided is just sophistry.

Consider this. Were this tactic implemented in every state, then candidate A, with 40% of the people's support, could conceivably be taken out of the race in the first stage by a coalition of canidates B-G, each with 10% support. That violates the principles of our representative democracy and is like something out of a third world sham election.

+1861

 

[hueylong]

You're an idiot. This is how party politics have worked for 50 years.

You're just showing up to the game and claiming there's something wrong with it when you don't even know the basics.

This was an election to pick Delegates. Every single one of the delegates elected was UNCOMMITTED. The pro-life faction turned their people out. Period.

How about learning even the basics before making pronouncements about what democracy is.

 

[Computer]

You're an idiot. This is how party politics have worked for 50 years.

You're just showing up to the game and claiming there's something wrong with it when you don't even know the basics.

This was an election to pick Delegates. Every single one of the delegates elected was UNCOMMITTED. The pro-life faction turned their people out. Period.

How about learning even the basics before making pronouncements about what democracy is.

Uncommitted is just a word that really doesn't apply, because it doesn't describe the truth. I'm not an idiot. This is an outrage. How can the favorite candidate of the people be disenfranchised? Using this tactic, that's how. I don't support it. I support representative democracy. What planet are you from?

This isn't a game, like some kind of election run by a dictator in Africa. This violates the very principles of our Republic. Saying I'm late in the game, or other such nonsense is just ad hominem BS.

 

[dshields]

I really dislike the "would of, should of, could of" posts. Lets be objective and not critical here!


Congrats to Louisiana Supporters!!

Dave

 

[hueylong]

I'm from Louisiana. And I know something about how the caucus works.

And uncommitted DOES apply. Every delegate elected can vote for whoever they want. That's what uncommitted means.

 

[sidsquidrick]

Uncommitted is just a word that really doesn't apply, because it doesn't describe the truth. I'm not an idiot. This is an outrage. How can the facorite candidate of the people be disenfranchised? Using this tactic, that's how. I don't support it. I support representative democracy. What planet are you from?

OMG! He is not the favorite! I don't believe people like you! Do you really believe that an ACTUAL majority of the population of any state in this country PREFER Ron Paul? Of course not...corruption maybe a little, but sir, you are proposing an out right absurdity. This is why we must be more organized, more willing to stay the course. It will be an UPHILL battle, not because of corruption, but because not enough of our fellow citizens have woke up to the reality of the problems are nation faces. Please, please, take a deep breath and get back out there to the battle field.

Or as we say in the Army, stretch and drink water.

S

 

[mrkurtz]

Deceitful? What planet are you on? You don't even know the basics of the caucus rules.

All delegates ran uncommitted. We were just trying to elect our people, and they were trying to elect theirs.

In District 7 -- the delegates I see getting elected are all well known people who have worked in Republican politics for decades. They wanted to be delegates, they turned out their people. They won.

Grow up.

Huey, I've had many nice conversations with you in the chat room, but I find your position completely incorrect.

If you truly had ANY experience like you claimed, why in your 800+ posts did you not ONCE suggest what can happen and actually HELP the grassroots develop a counter to it. Don't go tromping through a chat room claiming 25 years of experience yourself and not try to share that experience and strategic knowledge to the grassroots.

Other than that, you look like an ass... like you are throughout this sub forum.

 

[Computer]

I'm from Louisiana. And I know something about how the caucus works.

And uncommitted DOES apply. Every delegate elected can vote for whoever they want. That's what uncommitted means.

I know what's legal, but you have to look at the broader, natural principles and assumptions of our democracy, which these "legal" tactics clearly violate. Has this trickery ever been used before to subvert the democratic favorite? We change laws because not everything that's legal is right or the best way.

 

[j0ew00ds]

You're an idiot. This is how party politics have worked for 50 years.

You're just showing up to the game and claiming there's something wrong with it when you don't even know the basics.

This was an election to pick Delegates. Every single one of the delegates elected was UNCOMMITTED. The pro-life faction turned their people out. Period.

How about learning even the basics before making pronouncements about what democracy is.

Huey,
I used to respect you for many of your insightful posts on this forum. However, I see no reason to disrespect this person by telling him/her to "grow up" or "you're an idiot." Those statements are contradictory, doncha think?
Despite your claim that this has "been going on for 50 years" don't you think a person "new to the game" might offer better insight to the situation that in fact, it isn't a very upstanding way to win an election?
Perhaps you, sir, need to grow up and respect your peers.

 

[arctica2]

Huey, I've had many nice conversations with you in the chat room, but I find your position completely incorrect.

If you truly had ANY experience like you claimed, why in your 800+ posts did you not ONCE suggest what can happen and actually HELP the grassroots develop a counter to it. Don't go tromping through a chat room claiming 25 years of experience yourself and not try to share that experience and strategic knowledge to the grassroots.

Other than that, you look like an ass... like you are throughout this sub forum.

Pwned! I agree w/ Mr. Kurtz.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Y'all CHILL OUT for just a moment and let me ask a question, here, okay?

Huey...if they are all uncommitted now, do you think we can have an impact on swaying them before the state convention?

If so, when is that convention and how best to approach this effort?

Thanks.

Our LA RP people worked their butts off and I'm proud of every one of 'em.