An Analysis of how Ron Paul did...

[evandi]

WOW HE WON THE TEXT MSG POLL! That really turned out the vote in Iowa... we need to get real and start pushing our National numbers up! I think in NH he will get 13-15%, but if he had done better tonite he could have gotten 18% or more.

I know what people will say after NH is done... how great 13-15% is... but think of how much better 18% would be!

We need to get serious people and let the campaign know that changes need to be implemented.

It wasn't an Iowa only poll, troll. It was a poll of people who actually watched the debate.

 

[dawnbt]

Then you are nutty, and your brain works in mysterious ways.

How is that? What's the difference in mentality between Bush's rhetoric and the "If you don't agree with me...your a troll"? Pretty close minded to me. I have the ability to see both points in a conversation. Not seein how that is nutty. Not being open to other people's opinions only stunt your mental growth.

 

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/018292.html

Good for Lew. He understands the message so he should think that way. That's the way I feel as well. That doesn't change the fact that regular out of touch Joe Blow Americans see something different. I know because I sat with 4 of them. The OP provided a reason why and got attacked by people that should have the mental capabilities to be rational. That's what is now starting to bother me. How a RP supporter could be so closed-minded.

 

[VishIX]

Wow you really miss the point don't you. He is saying you and me and everyone in here are not going to change Ron Paul's personality or talking points.. EVER. Attack his personality all you want, say he lost the debate, and tell us Giuliani won.. But he will NOT change for you or anyone else for that matter. You posting what he needs to do to improve is useless.. and the majority disagree with you anyways (Look at the poll on how did at the debate).

LOL! a poll on a Ron Paul forum where the majority are in group think over how well Ron Paul is doing. That's REAL accurate and representative of the greater electorate...

BTW I never said he needs to change his personality or that he lost the debate, please fully read my posts. I know you are emotional and irrational right now.

 

[evandi]

I'm starting to think you are either very young, paranoid, or you suffer from a personality disorder.

Accusing me now of being a Huckabee supporter is your response?

I don't think the OP is a troll, but I think you've proven yourself to be incapable of rational discussion.

It is not irrational to make accusations. It is not logical to dismiss trolling and fake support.

 

[parke]

No need for calling people trolls. It was an honest opinion.

Im no troll, but RP needs to be more assertive and find a way to question his opponents and back them into a corner for an answer. A couple of good zingers would push him to the top of the pack.

Like, when Rudy brought up terrorism going back to the sixties.. he should have came back with our involvement overthrowing Mogadesh (sp) in 53.

 

[LibertyManiacs.com]

But he will NOT change for you or anyone else for that matter. You posting what he needs to do to improve is useless.. and the majority disagree with you anyways (Look at the poll on how did at the debate).

I don't think it's a matter of changing who he is, or the overall message in any way. Dr. Paul is a charming guy, he comes off quite well. However there is always room for improvement. I think Dr. Paul would be the 1st to agree with that statement. Constructive critisim is essential to improvement.

It is an amazingly difficult task to communicate effectively at this level. Especially when your message is considered a threat to all competitors. Paul is doing great, and as a long time follower and supporter, I've seen considerable growth in his style of delivery. He simply can do better. It's in him.

I think we have yet to see him at his best.

 

[evandi]

How is that? What's the difference in mentality between Bush's rhetoric and the "If you don't agree with me...your a troll"? Pretty close minded to me. I have the ability to see both points in a conversation. Not seein how that is nutty. Not being open to other people's opinions only stunt your mental growth.

Because, I'm not saying that everyone who disagrees with me is a troll, I'm saying most of the people disagreeing with me are probably trolls. Not because they disagree with me.

Furthermore, I'm not trying to get you banned or have others attack you.

 

[LFOD]

The people who think RP did poorly are wrong. This will help. He came across as a man who deeply understands the most serious problems we are facing today.

 

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

I'm starting to think you are either very young, paranoid, or you suffer from a personality disorder.

Accusing me now of being a Huckabee supporter is your response?

I don't think the OP is a troll, but I think you've proven yourself to be incapable of rational discussion.

Ultima... we know your true motive. You either support Lord British or Lord Blackthorn. It's definitely not Ron Paul. REVEAL YOURSELF!

 

[VishIX]

No need for calling people trolls. It was an honest opinion.

Im no troll, but RP needs to be more assertive and find a way to question his opponents and back them into a corner for an answer. A couple of good zingers would push him to the top of the pack.

Like, when Rudy brought up terrorism going back to the sixties.. he should have came back with our involvement overthrowing Mogadesh (sp) in 53.

Exactly, he needs to speak up and let people know he's there and exude an aura of leadership. He should have been controlling the conversation instead of being backed into a corner by all 5. Once you let people know you can't be pushed around they will respect you.

 

[ultimaonliner]

Ultima... we know your true motive. You either support Lord British or Lord Blackthorn. It's definitely not Ron Paul. REVEAL YOURSELF!

LOL!

You got me! I was thinking of making a Ron Paul guild though in Ultima Online. I haven't played much recently, but I still have 4 accounts.

 

[traitorist]

I think we have yet to see him at his best.

i've alluded to this. i've asked myself...is he just waiting in the weeds to pounce?

or not?

time will tell i guess.

 

[therealjjj77]

The original poster had some very valid points.

I have been in sales for over 4 years and I also pay close attention to these things. Though you may have been persuaded and look past the idiosyncrasies of Ron Paul, someone really seeing him for the first time has no persuasion one way or the other. Being in sales, it took me several weeks to refine my body language, vocal tones, speech inflections; so that people could hear what I was saying.

The truth is that people judge you 60% based on appearance, 30% based on how you say things, and 10% on what you actually say.

Appearance has a lot to do with how you hold yourself. Are your shoulders slouched? Is your your abdomen firm? Is your chest high?

How you sound is greatly influenced by whether you are using your diaphragm to speak, and if you keep the air flowing through your words. Also it is important to say more with less words and keep your words per minute at a certain speed depending on the audience. It is important to slow your speech down when you want to provide emphasis on something.

Ron Paul certainly has the content in what he says, the other 90% is so easy to fix and I wish I could talk with him on the phone just once to help him get there.

 

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

Exactly, he needs to speak up and let people know he's there and exude an aura of leadership. He should have been controlling the conversation instead of being backed into a corner by all 5. Once you let people know you can't be pushed around they will respect you.

Thank you! According to many others though, that character trait isn't important. In my opinion, it's a shame because if Ron did possess those abilities he'd basically walk into the oval office... tomorrow.

 

[Hook]

I just wish Dr. Paul had run 10 years ago when he was a bit quicker on his feet and more aggressive.

 

[evandi]

Exactly, he needs to speak up and let people know he's there and exude an aura of leadership. He should have been controlling the conversation instead of being backed into a corner by all 5. Once you let people know you can't be pushed around they will respect you.

Thats easy to say. Every other candidate has messed up in the debate though.

Saying someone has to control the conversation is basically like saying Ron Paul should get all the votes.

You can say it, but it is not always possible to "control" a conversation, no matter what you try. People do not have magic buttons that silence them, although Ron Paul did silence them a few times with some unexpectedly good answers.

Just compare him to any other debate. I can't believe people like you could think such a thing.

 

[Gimme Some Truth]

I just asked you why you don't take your own advice. You really could do that. You know umm you are a troll because you are asking me to go out at this time of day and do what? I have no idea. And then you don't even consider doing late night campaigning as well? I can't blame you for that. THAT WOULD BE FUCKING RETARDED.

ok, you are bypassing the whole point again.

Im not gonna explain again why I brought up the reptillian thing. Its self evident if you look at your post

Thats a suggestion that has been used before. "Leave the forum so we can take over", you say.

Can someone point me towards the ignore button (if there is one) please so I dont accidentally read anymore of this kid's insane, paranoid , pubescent fueled, emotional outbursts again? ...pretty please


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[isufferfromronpaulfever]

LOL!

You got me! I was thinking of making a Ron Paul guild though in Ultima Online. I haven't played much recently, but I still have 4 accounts.

I played UO the year it came out ('96 if I can remember) up until 2000 or so and played a few years ago on UO GAMERS. It's just a waste of time... a bad addiction. A fun one none-the-less!

 

[LFOD]

The original poster had some very valid points.

I have been in sales for over 4 years and I also pay close attention to these things. Though you may have been persuaded and look past the idiosyncrasies of Ron Paul, someone really seeing him for the first time has no persuasion one way or the other. Being in sales, it took me several weeks to refine my body language, vocal tones, speech inflections; so that people could hear what I was saying.

The truth is that people judge you 60% based on appearance, 30% based on how you say things, and 10% on what you actually say.

Appearance has a lot to do with how you hold yourself. Are your shoulders slouched? Is your your abdomen firm? Is your chest high?

How you sound is greatly influenced by whether you are using your diaphragm to speak, and if you keep the air flowing through your words. Also it is important to say more with less words and keep your words per minute at a certain speed depending on the audience. It is important to slow your speech down when you want to provide emphasis on something.

Ron Paul certainly has the content in what he says, the other 90% is so easy to fix and I wish I could talk with him on the phone just once to help him get there.

Ron Paul is not going to win the election with his diaphragm.

He's going to win it with his heart, and his head.

Do try to get that into yours.