I didn't imply that I had the power, which means it is a little far fetched to label troll-calling as fascism.
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I didn't imply that I had the power, which means it is a little far fetched to label troll-calling as fascism.
You know you sound like the Bush Regime. No criticism, no analysis, no questions. If you criticize you are with the terrorists and unpatriotic. So according to you if I criticize that means I am a "troll", or a infiltrator, or as one person mentioned... working for the CFR
Seems like some RP fanboys are just as fanatical as the Neo-cons. Let's take off that tinfoil hat and try to get some support from the mainstream...
No, I am fine with all of that. I am not fine with people purposely creating a negative atmosphere for the sole purpose of creating a negative atmosphere.
If there are absolutely no trolls on this forum at all, other impossible things like pigs flying, the Raiders doing well, and me winning a jackpot should definetely be considered. WOOHOO
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It's very entertaining to watch Dr. Paul debate the other neo-cons because you can CLEARLY see that he's far more educated than them: more educated in monetary policy, more educated in foreign policy, more educated in free markets, etc. It's as if all of these other politicians, including the democrats have got their nose's an inch away from the issues, and only our beloved doctor has taken a step back and looked at the grand mess we find ourselves in. The other politicians just don't understand.
But instead of Ron appearing like a teacher teaching a bunch of 8th graders in a classroom in history class, I think it APPEARS to be the other way around. Don't get me wrong though - I believe if you read the transcript of the debate, Ron Paul would be the clear winner. But these debates are televised, and appearance is a lot. When Ron was given some criticism, (and we all know it was a LOT) I thought he looked nervous, as if he had lost the arguments. I sincerely believe that his argument was the better one, but the point of these debate is not to win an argument, it's to APPEAR to win. Believe me, every candidate by now knows exactly where the others stand. They don't need to ask each other about whether they support the war, or whatever. This is about sending a message to the viewers of the debate.
I agree with the OP, that Ron needs to be more assertive, make them look dumb, make them look inferior. And of course I don't mean sling mud; I'm talking about an intellectual argument. Ron needs to look like the teacher teaching the little kids, because that's what it's really like. I think, personally, Ron should let Rudy, Romney, etc, finish their (stupid) points, and then stay calm and start his response with something like, "But the thing you don't understand is," or "But what you failed to see," or "The flaw in your reasoning is." I know it's sounds simple, but it's not what he's doing. That clip where he tells that kid to go on a diet is gold, we need more of THAT.
It's very entertaining to watch Dr. Paul debate the other neo-cons because you can CLEARLY see that he's far more educated than them: more educated in monetary policy, more educated in foreign policy, more educated in free markets, etc. It's as if all of these other politicians, including the democrats have got their nose's an inch away from the issues, and only our beloved doctor has taken a step back and looked at the grand mess we find ourselves in. The other politicians just don't understand.
But instead of Ron appearing like a teacher teaching a bunch of 8th graders in a classroom in history class, I think it APPEARS to be the other way around. Don't get me wrong though - I believe if you read the transcript of the debate, Ron Paul would be the clear winner. But these debates are televised, and appearance is a lot. When Ron was given some criticism, (and we all know it was a LOT) I thought he looked nervous, as if he had lost the arguments. I sincerely believe that his argument was the better one, but the point of these debate is not to win an argument, it's to APPEAR to win. Believe me, every candidate by now knows exactly where the others stand. They don't need to ask each other about whether they support the war, or whatever. This is about sending a message to the viewers of the debate.
I agree with the OP, that Ron needs to be more assertive, make them look dumb, make them look inferior. And of course I don't mean sling mud; I'm talking about an intellectual argument. Ron needs to look like the teacher teaching the little kids, because that's what it's really like. I think, personally, Ron should let Rudy, Romney, etc, finish their (stupid) points, and then stay calm and start his response with something like, "But the thing you don't understand is," or "But what you failed to see," or "The flaw in your reasoning is." I know it's sounds simple, but it's not what he's doing. That clip where he tells that kid to go on a diet is gold, we need more of THAT.
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It's not clouding my judgement. The whole argument for him being a troll is not whether or not he makes any valid points. A troll could easily do that. The whole argument is that what he did was a huge downer and it was not called for given that compared to his other debates Ron Paul did very well.
All of the criticisms may be valid. But making such a huge deal out of imperfections was trollish. Now if this post inspires constructive criticism then fine. But compared to the other debates I don't know how this sudden negativism can be construed as anything but trollish.
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Ron Paul is quick on his feet normally. As a doctor and as a congressman I am sure he is used to being respected and shown respect. I was shocked at the behavior of the other candidates. ALL of them dissed him. Are they that afraid of him? If they think he is so ridiculous that he deserved their scorn, then the smart thing for them to have done, was to let him speak.............let the American public hear his prescription for the ills we suffer. Or is it that they feel he really does have the cure. Go Dr. Ron Paul Go
They must. Why else mimic his principles?
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Having a college degree in speech communication, I could say that this is not a troll post. Ron Paul does do many of the things that we were taught NOT to do when making a public address. Ahhs and umms, slouching, fiddling with the pen, etc.
The message is important, but delivery is also important. Ask any university professor of communications and they will say many of the things that the OP has stated. The message is spot on, the delivery of it could use a lot of improving. I believe he did very well, but he could have done so much better.
The message is important, but delivery is also important. Ask any university professor of communications and they will say many of the things that the OP has stated. The message is spot on, the delivery of it could use a lot of improving. I believe he did very well, but he could have done so much better.
You know you sound like the Bush Regime. No criticism, no analysis, no questions. If you criticize you are with the terrorists and unpatriotic. So according to you if I criticize that means I am a "troll", or a infiltrator, or as one person mentioned... working for the CFR
Seems like some RP fanboys are just as fanatical as the Neo-cons. Let's take off that tinfoil hat and try to get some support from the mainstream...
I don't even mention the cfr. The CFR does have imperialistic views on foreign policy though. They are partly responsible for a lot of the ideas our leaders follow. That is no "conspiracy theory".
Its the equivalent of the Steve Jobs "Reality Distortion Field", some of these Rondroids have got to look at reality. Constructive criticism is what will help Ron Paul. My friends and associates are saying the very same things because they can, knowing I am not going to take it as a personal attack. You've got to grow past this, Im a enthused as the next guy but if RP doesn't become more assertive and get some professional handlers to put a better shine on his message and image. Otherwise I think he's great!
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No, I am not trying to get people to ignore you. Can you not read? I (as in me and me alone) dont want to be forced to waste my time replying to you. When I see your posts I have an urge to reply in the name of common sense . Its a flaw I have I guess
Im not gonna restate why I brought up the reptillian joke with you! Look back if you really want to know.
Please don't talk about label's with me. You're a walking definition of a hypocrite.
.....Plus you're a paranoid crazy person worried that leaving the forum to campaign for Ron will end up with the trolls taking over the forum.. You probably think it was a bunch of trolls who piloted the planes into the WTC on 911.
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WOW... you mean this whole time you have been trolling so hard because I was a downer and gave you my honest opinion on how RP did? You know you can't fix a problem if you don't acknowledge it.
Seeing that you are so fanatical in your support I am sure you will remember how RP said (and I am paraphrasing) "as a doctor if you make a mistake you fix that mistake, you don't keep making it over and over again to save face." How long are we going to ignore the problem? Till we lose the nomination?
All he needs to do is practice his talking points and get a speech coach and improve his posture a bit.
What are your suggestions for winning? Nothing new, keep doing what we are doing so we can get 10% of the vote...
I am trying to come up with ways to get RP to become president, with your method he'll be an "also ran".
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Evandi, it was asked earlier and you never answered it. If you can't describe anything about yourself, can you at least provide us with your age? Thanks.
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This thread now has had:
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It's too bad that it's been hijacked by a few who can't handle constructive criticism.
VishIX, I think most RP supporters understand your points. This thread may need to be killed though. It's too difficult to wade through all the posts to address your original points.
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It's too bad that it's been hijacked by a few who can't handle constructive criticism.
VishIX, I think most RP supporters understand your points. This thread may need to be killed though. It's too difficult to wade through all the posts to address your original points.
Well, you have to keep it in mind that the other candidates have been polished all their lives to be where they are at in the way they act. Ron Paul is a doctor and reads about economics. You can try all you want to get someone to improve, but he is not that kind of person. He has a lot of different things he worries about. I think that going the route others suggest will turn him into a regular politician. He doesn't polish himself and pander, he is just honest.
Look at his appearance on the Morton Downey Jr show to see how he would have acted 20 years ago. He is not 50 he is 70.
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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=77547
Almost like a continuation of the 265+ posts in this thread.
Almost like a continuation of the 265+ posts in this thread.
I think all you need to know is that I can vote. Nothing else is your business.
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I think it is because before Iowa we were all on a cloud! We know he is the best choice for president. We truly believed we were gonna blow some people away after Iowa taking at least 3rd. When that didn't happen a lot of people were very disappointed. In the big scheme, we kicked ass in Iowa! 70% of Iowa loves George Bush! We came in first in Jefferson County, which is rural by the way. We came in 3rd in 4 counties! The only other candidates to take first in a county was Huckabee and Romney! However, people are becoming a bit more aware that our views aren't as far reached as we initially thought after Iowa. We know the message is gold! We need to figure out why so many people still don't get it. In order to improve our efforts we need to see the nay-sayers point of view in order to change it.
Yes, no one is calling him a troll... I wonder why that is? Maybe it is the way he went about bringing attention to his concerns.
Ooops, I only read the first few posts. Well anyway, I wouldn't necessarily call the creator of the other thread a troll.
But I don't rule out that possibity for anyone who flatly dismisses troll-accusations
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Nobody is calling him a troll? are you reading the same thread I am?
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Thank you. You are 100% correct. No doubt the debate format (free-for-all) lead to Ron getting attacked from each direction and getting shouted over. He was 1 person getting attacked from 5 people in front of a large studio audience and millions on TV. He did look nervous . I felt for him ...I'd have probably either lost it and started swingin punches or go completely in on myself for the rest of the night. Thankfully Ron came back and hit them hard with truth afterwards.
