An Analysis of how Ron Paul did...

I saw it the opposite.

My analysis. Short

Paul. I think he did very well and got his points across, hopefully enough republicans that share his anti war sentiment watched this debate. My biggest fear with Paul is the same that happened in Wyoming, and that is too many republicans beat the drums of war, and I feel that will be the republicans downfall this election. Somehow someway we must drive that across to potential voters, that a vote for a pro war republican candidate is a vote for a democratic president. I really feel Paul's negative is he isn't aggressive in speech, when someone speaks over him he stops talking, unlike Romney who raises his voice and gets his point across. Multiple times Paul talked on foreign affairs and his point got drowned out by more forceful speaking candidates.

Thompson. I thought he did the best. He didn't stutter, he answered the hard questions and didn't waiver on his stances. Like him or not he is 1 candidate you can say sticks to his guns and doesn't pander like the other candidates. I felt Thompson spoke just enough to matter and he confronted Rudy and Mccain on immigration and both of those guys could not respond, they just came up with the same rhetoric. Where Thompson won was he made people think of the negatives of Mccain and Rudy without looking like he was attacking them. Thompson was very sly in this debate.

Mccain. I thought his CHANGE joke towards Romney and how he laughed at his own joke shows exactly why so many people dislike this guy. I think of a weasel when I see and hear Mccain talk. i think he faired the worst of all candidates and as time goes on people will see him as a snake.

Romney. I thought he did well considering he was the focus of most of the attacks, at one point I thought he was going to punch huckabee.. I really think he is the odds on favorite to win the republican nomination and I think inside all the other republican candidates feel that way. While I am not a Romney fan I would prefer him over Rudy and Mccain.

Huckabee. This guy played it as smart as anyone, he is very smart politician and it elevated him to leader status. Huckabee views has more holes than swiss cheese, and now he is considered the front runner by many he did exactly what a candidate with so many holes should do, he said nothing. Huckabee only spoke when he had to, he let all the other candidates argue and he just sat there and listen, once again people will walk away not knowing all the negatives of Huckabee. I think Huckabee had less face time than Paul.

Giuliani. I think he was kind of neutral in this debate. I felt he stuck with his message, I just don't feel its a strong message and no one really believes him. He will have his niche, but in general his whole thing is attack terrorists and thats it, and everyone else but Ron Paul feels that way but the others have more to them than attack terrorists. I also think Fred put him in his place on amnesty.
 
No, I think its very fair. Let me remind you...

I said why dont you ignore these type of posts and instead turn of the computer and do something worthwhile for the campaign?

you replied


I stand my my Reptillian statement. Infact the Reptillian has just infected you with scientology :eek:


Grow up, I know internet "trolls" exist ... the OP just wasnt trollish.

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Grow up, believing in trolls isn't in the same league as believeing in Reptilian overlords.

You could do the same. Ignore my responses and try your best out on the street to get him elected. Stop posting if you feel such advice benefits me it would benefit you equally.
 
He did pretty good. He was the only person who got claps when he made fun of the other candidates by saying that they did only did "lip service" for the constitution. That they were all talk no action. ALSO, HE GOT A VERY GOOD PIECE OF COVERAGE WHEN THE MODERATOR SAID HE COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING THAT CHANGED IN HIS PRINCIPLES OTHER THAN HIS CHANGE IN PARTY. THE MODERATOR FOUND DIRT ON EVERYONE EXCEPT RON PAUL. THIS IS GOOD, ESPECIALLY SINCE MCCAIN IS GETTING SUPPORT BECAUSE OF HIS "INTEGRITY" and "HONESTY."

Yeah totally true. I noticed also he had the ONLY applause ;)
 
I agree with most of the OP's points. I am also surprised by all those who responded to him by calling him a troll.

RP's scholarly and academic style of discussion appeals to me, but I know that it is not necessarily the best way to win public opinion en masse. YouTube has been great for RP as many are able to view clips of RP speaking almost in isolation, but when the public sees and hears him in competition with others during the debate, people take notice of the manner in which he interacts with his competitors.

If the OP were truly a "troll", then I wish we had more of them.



After Iowa jolted me to the reality that Ron Paul may not win I decided to take a good look at why he's not polling higher and getting more respect. Tonight's debate was very telling.

First of all, RP needs to be more assertive. All the other candidates were fighting for airtime and getting their points across. This makes them look like strong leaders. RP was getting cut-off from the others and conceding to them. He wasn't being forceful enough to be heard. I know that most of you will say it's because he's too polite blah blah blah, but if you want to get the message across you have to speak up! When you let others have the last word every time it weakens your position.

When he did have time to speak, his message wasn't clear or simple. I have studied economics and monetary policy and trust me the average person hates that stuff. Even when they hear it they tune it out like most of my classmates who were forced to take macroeconomics. He needs to simplify the message and hit home points that will stick in people's minds. Also, his messages were too short, he had plenty of time to talk but he would only talk for 30 seconds. It was kind of akward because the moderator was expecting more but RP was done.

Next, he stumbled a lot of his sentences. It was hard to listen to him because he made too many mistakes (maybe he wasn't feeling well). Maybe he needs a speech coach to help me get rid of the fillers (ahhhh's, ummmm's, etc.). Also his posture needs to improve and he needs to stop fiddling with the pen. COMMUNICATION IS 80% BODY LANGUAGE.

Finally I can't recall any messages of hope from him tonight!! It's great he's giving analysis on why things are happening (i.e. foreign policy), but where are the solutions? If I remember the final question was about gas prices or something, and he's talking about how gas has stayed in terms of gold, and it's the dollar that's losing value, that's all well and good, but what are you going to do about it? He didn't mention anything about a solution or a message of hope.

So to sum it up, RP needs to be more assertive, better posture, appear more confident, and not screw up his words so much. I know a lot of you don't want to hear this, but I'm giving an analysis of what I saw tonight. The official campaign needs to look at this and fix it, this isn't some backwater election, it's a national one and they need professionalism.


So who "won"?
Best performance - 9iu11iani - as much as I hate this guy, he's very articulate and they way he laid out his message (tone/content) I can see a lot of sheeple being convinced.

Worst Performance - Thompson - honestly this guy needs to go to a retirement home and sleep the rest of life away. He just comes off as lazy and apathetic.

Most Entertaining - McCain - He got Romney with quite a few zingers.

We need to be real and being critical will only help us improve and increase our chances.
 
Having typed all of that - this topic is pointless - because we can not change any of things you complained about. Nor can Ron because it took him 72 years to develop his personality, so we can take it or leave it. It is about Ideas not personalities.

It's not pointless. And it's not his personality I have an issue with at all! He needs to rehearse his talking points and simplify the message. This will cause him to stumble less while talking. I think he has a very strong personality, he just needs to be more assertive which we know he can be.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

But not as much as in that clip, cuz he will be on national television.
 
It's not pointless. And it's not his personality I have an issue with at all! He needs to rehearse his talking points and simplify the message. This will cause him to stumble less while talking. I think he has a very strong personality, he just needs to be more assertive which we know he can be.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

But not as much as in that clip, cuz he will be on national television.

Simply compare him to himself in other debates. He won the last fox news text message debate poll by a huge margin.

The kind of changes the OP is advocating are trollish in their nature because Ron Paul did well compared to every other time I've seen him.
 
Umm, there is a big difference between posting a dissenting opinion and posting something that suggests their opinion is the "REAL ANALYSIS" therefore belittling everyone else's analysis(Like the hundreds who agreed Ron Paul won the debate). All of this troll defending is really getting to me.. why is it so hard to believe people come here with bad intentions. When someone has 30 posts and they are all negative it's just common sense. We troll Huckabee forums constantly.. their is more Ron Paul supporters than Huckabee on them. You think they aren't doing the same? Not to mention who the heck else. Obviously not everyone with different opinion is a troll. Someone with few posts who suggests that they have the "REAL ANALYSIS" and it happens to be 100% opposite of what the majority on Ron Paul Forums thinks could be a "Troll". Not to mention when their attack is used to say Ron Paul lost the debate (This is ridiculous) and then to suggest how Ron Paul can improve on this. If he wants to help Ron Paul with speech he wouldn't be telling us.. and at the same time informing us Guiliani won.. lol Trolling happens.. its the internet it's VERY easy...

Why are you so paranoid? What could a "troll" possibly take back to their cave from this post? Are we revealing some secret information here? If anything, this poll brough some issue to light as to what non-Ron Paul people see. What we all should be watching for if we are to educate the masses.
 
First of all, relax and think calmly so you can understand what I am saying. I know you are emotional right now and want to use names (eg. troll) to vent your frustration.

I am not saying to change Ron Paul's personality... watch this video and tell me Ron Paul can't have more of an impact on a viewer...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

Of course on national TV he would have to tone it down a bit, but RP is VERY witty and can battle when he needs to. This is what's needed when he's being shot down by the Neo-Cons.

At the debate he appeared tired and unenergetic. Ergo, he will be overlooked by Joe Sixpack and MSM. It's not just the message, it's how it's presented (that means tone, posture, timing, etc.)

At the next debate he needs to be less humble and practice his talking points.

Rudy dresses in drag, Huckabee has crazy eyes, Mitt looks like a cars salesman, Mccain 100 years, Fred says Um.


Besides It was never about Ron Paul its about his message, Even if Ron Paul Loses because he wore the wrong shoes on a particular day YOU THINK WE WILL PACK UP OUR SIGNS AND GO HOME? Let Ron Paul do his thing.

This dont stop with Ron Paul he revived the founders message and now there are thousands of us willing to carry the torch after he is gone. We have guys running for office on his same platform. So even if you think Rudy did better it means jack shit long term. Because Rudys message has a shelf life.

If average joe sixpack dont get the message now he will later, Maybe 4, 8 12 years from now, But he will.


Ron Paul has his place in history win or lose.
 
It's not pointless. And it's not his personality I have an issue with at all! He needs to rehearse his talking points and simplify the message. This will cause him to stumble less while talking. I think he has a very strong personality, he just needs to be more assertive which we know he can be.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

But not as much as in that clip, cuz he will be on national television.

Wow you really miss the point don't you. He is saying you and me and everyone in here are not going to change Ron Paul's personality or talking points.. EVER. Attack his personality all you want, say he lost the debate, and tell us Giuliani won.. But he will NOT change for you or anyone else for that matter. You posting what he needs to do to improve is useless.. and the majority disagree with you anyways (Look at the poll on how did at the debate).
 
Dr. Paul needs to continue to remind (or educate for the 1st time) people of his bona fides as an OBGYN and n author of multiple books on economics.

We as strong supporters can appreciate his straightforwardness on issues of foreign policy and monetary policy, but the less educated on the philosophy of freedom need more to hold onto.

Dr. Paul should be marketing himself as a doctor more, as medical doctors are more trusted than just about any other profession. He needs to expand and elaborate on why freedom matters more to the average person. And he needs to, much more, speak directly to the average person who is afraid of what the future brings.

Dr. Paul's freedom message is inherently full of hope. People want the opportunity to aspire to greatness. But freedom--real freedom--is something that many people are not acquainted with anymore. Dr. Paul has an obligation to demand to be heard. He needs to be told to stop talking like the other candidate. He is our voice.
 
It's not pointless. And it's not his personality I have an issue with at all! He needs to rehearse his talking points and simplify the message. This will cause him to stumble less while talking. I think he has a very strong personality, he just needs to be more assertive which we know he can be.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

But not as much as in that clip, cuz he will be on national television.

I agree that it's not pointless. We are talking about leading an entire nation. His message is pinpoint perfect. His delivery is somewhat lacking. To me, it doesn't matter because at the end of the day I'm still a supporter.

If I'm trailing a close football game at halftime, I need a coach that is going to deliver a speech that will fire me up for the second half. Changing the X's and O's is nice, but there is more than just that.
 
Simply compare him to himself in other debates. He won the last fox news text message debate poll by a huge margin.

The kind of changes the OP is advocating are trollish in their nature because Ron Paul did well compared to every other time I've seen him.


I think the OP's points are valid if we are to no longer be content with winning just on-line polls or internet polls. To reach out to the general public requires focus on different aspects of the campaign. Unfortunately, this means focusing on matters which most intelligent people dislike (i.e. body language, tone of voice, "likability, humor, etc.)
 
Why are you so paranoid? What could a "troll" possibly take back to their cave from this post? Are we revealing some secret information here? If anything, this poll brough some issue to light as to what non-Ron Paul people see. What we all should be watching for if we are to educate the masses.

If the issues "brought to light" are really false issues, then it isn't helping. Being extremely negative when it isn't justified is very very trollish. This debate was awesome.

Can you please tell me what debate he did better in.
 
Grow up, believing in trolls isn't in the same league as believeing in Reptilian overlords.

You could do the same. Ignore my responses and try your best out on the street to get him elected. Stop posting if you feel such advice benefits me it would benefit you equally.

Ok, Im starting to wonder about your IQ ..or age.

Lets get this straight ... you are telling me you wont campaign for Ron Paul because you are scared of the forum being taken over by trolls.

I joke about the "reptillian overlords" because you seem like an overly paranoid person.

Capeesh? :)
 
Well, I support Ron Paul of course. But I agree with some others here, that I got caught up in a group-think mentality, and I am looking to change that, and encourage others to discuss it and other ways we can improve ourselves and learning to change and adapt by also watching and critiquing Ron Paul's performance at the debate. He is after all, the leader of the proverbial crew.

+1000
 
I think the OP's points are valid if we are to no longer be content with winning just on-line polls or internet polls. To reach out to the general public requires focus on different aspects of the campaign. Unfortunately, this means focusing on matters which most intelligent people dislike (i.e. body language, tone of voice, "likability, humor, etc.)

Ah, you must be a huckabee supporter then. Huckabee has oodles of that.

No, I don't think you are right about this. I think if he were to focus on these "different issues" he would neglect what makes him popular.
 
Ok, Im starting to wonder about your IQ ..or age.

Lets get this straight ... you are telling me you wont campaign for Ron Paul because you are scared of the forum being taken over by trolls.

I joke about the "reptillian overlords" because you seem like an overly paranoid person.

Capeesh? :)

I just asked you why you don't take your own advice. You really could do that. You know umm you are a troll because you are asking me to go out at this time of day and do what? I have no idea. And then you don't even consider doing late night campaigning as well? I can't blame you for that. THAT WOULD BE FUCKING RETARDED.
 
Simply compare him to himself in other debates. He won the last fox news text message debate poll by a huge margin.

The kind of changes the OP is advocating are trollish in their nature because Ron Paul did well compared to every other time I've seen him.

WOW HE WON THE TEXT MSG POLL! That really turned out the vote in Iowa... we need to get real and start pushing our National numbers up! I think in NH he will get 13-15%, but if he had done better tonite he could have gotten 18% or more.

I know what people will say after NH is done... how great 13-15% is... but think of how much better 18% would be!

We need to get serious people and let the campaign know that changes need to be implemented.
 
I'm starting to think you are either very young, paranoid, or you suffer from a personality disorder.

Accusing me now of being a Huckabee supporter is your response?

I don't think the OP is a troll, but I think you've proven yourself to be incapable of rational discussion.

Ah, you must be a huckabee supporter then. Huckabee has oodles of that.

No, I don't think you are right about this. I think if he were to focus on these "different issues" he would neglect what makes him popular.
 
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