An Analysis of how Ron Paul did...

dawnbt said:
If this is biting your ass so much...why are you still here? There are 1000's of posts for you to read. Some of us open minded, visionary thinkers would like to have an adult conversation without morons interrupting with their "Troll" bullshit. Go away!
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An adult conversation? Wow your a funny. By the way I like how the person who created the post changed the name. Now that you already got all the attention you might as well.. especially after I pointed out how you belittled everyone else's opinion on the debate with the title. Nice. ;)
 
evandi said:
Yep, paranoid to think that anyone would go through the trouble to use a yahoo account to sign up to a public forum and mess with people.
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The paranoia is in thinking that EVERYONE who posts a dissenting opinion is a troll. How many times do we have to say the same thing?
 
VishIX said:
After Iowa jolted me to the reality that Ron Paul may not win I decided to take a good look at why he's not polling higher and getting more respect. Tonight's debate was very telling.

First of all, RP needs to be more assertive. All the other candidates were fighting for airtime and getting their points across. This makes them look like strong leaders. RP was getting cut-off from the others and conceding to them. He wasn't being forceful enough to be heard. I know that most of you will say it's because he's too polite blah blah blah, but if you want to get the message across you have to speak up! When you let others have the last word every time it weakens your position.

When he did have time to speak, his message wasn't clear or simple. I have studied economics and monetary policy and trust me the average person hates that stuff. Even when they hear it they tune it out like most of my classmates who were forced to take macroeconomics. He needs to simplify the message and hit home points that will stick in people's minds. Also, his messages were too short, he had plenty of time to talk but he would only talk for 30 seconds. It was kind of akward because the moderator was expecting more but RP was done.

Next, he stumbled a lot of his sentences. It was hard to listen to him because he made too many mistakes (maybe he wasn't feeling well). Maybe he needs a speech coach to help me get rid of the fillers (ahhhh's, ummmm's, etc.). Also his posture needs to improve and he needs to stop fiddling with the pen. COMMUNICATION IS 80% BODY LANGUAGE.

Finally I can't recall any messages of hope from him tonight!! It's great he's giving analysis on why things are happening (i.e. foreign policy), but where are the solutions? If I remember the final question was about gas prices or something, and he's talking about how gas has stayed in terms of gold, and it's the dollar that's losing value, that's all well and good, but what are you going to do about it? He didn't mention anything about a solution or a message of hope.

So to sum it up, RP needs to be more assertive, better posture, appear more confident, and not screw up his words so much. I know a lot of you don't want to hear this, but I'm giving an analysis of what I saw tonight. The official campaign needs to look at this and fix it, this isn't some backwater election, it's a national one and they need professionalism.


So who "won"?
Best performance - 9iu11iani - as much as I hate this guy, he's very articulate and they way he laid out his message (tone/content) I can see a lot of sheeple being convinced.

Worst Performance - Thompson - honestly this guy needs to go to a retirement home and sleep the rest of life away. He just comes off as lazy and apathetic.

Most Entertaining - McCain - He got Romney with quite a few zingers.

We need to be real and being critical will only help us improve and increase our chances.
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So in conculsion you're looking for a canidate who will pander to the public, speak well with out saying any of great importance, and above all be agressive as possible and assertive as possible so you'll look cool to the football lovein', beer drinkin' population.

Why are you at RPF?
 
evandi said:
No, we mean by troll anyone who comes here with bad intentions.
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We do however have to take an honest look at how our candidate did. Not from the standpoint of being negative or trying to dishearten others but because as his grassroots, we're going to encounter people who did watch the debate and we'll have to counter their objections.

I agree to a large degree about women voters but since you can't change that, the one thing you can do is make HIS message personal FOR THEM. In fact you have focus on what part of his message is going to resonate with different people. For me the whole damn thing is about not following the Constitution, but not everyone I meet sees that as important (yes I do think they're stupid). For them its his foreign policy position. Okay fine, that means as a supporter I need to find the information about our foreign policy that gets buried in the news if its reported at all. How many people here knows how many dictators the USA has supported?

We have to avoid sounding like conspiracy theorists though as that is an instant turnoff.

Hey guy, thanks for your thoughts.
 
evandi said:
I don't think you suffer from Ron Paul fever. It's not really a disease you know.

It seems pretty important to defend the boards I've been viewing and posting in for a long time.

Anyone who insinuates that Ron Paul supporters are fanboys does not believe Ron Paul's positions are important enough to distinguish him from the pack, hence doubtfully are you a supporter at all, nor have you been struck by "Ron Paul fever".
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Yet I've been a member of this forum since July... well before you (although that doesn't make me anymore a supporter than you). Don't question my loyalty to this candidate. I spend a ton of time lurking these forums and thought these were people I had a lot in common with...

I'm now starting to second guess the mentality and obessive nature of some of these forum members.
 
I was drawn to this topic because I have not viewed the debate. However, I became more interested in the suggestions written by VishIX than reading opinions of Dr. Paul's showing in the debate. I live in Michigan and have contributed only money to the campaign thus far. I recently received an e-mail from the campaign asking me to work to convince other voters to pull the lever for Dr. Paul. My work gives me the opportunity to meet a lot of people and it would not be hard to strike up a discussion many times. But here's the problem I'm facing and maybe Dr. Paul also faces it in these debate formats:

How do you distill the monetary issue facing our nation into simple enough language that the average voter can understand it after decades misinformation by education institutions, the press, and government?
 
NerveShocker said:
Vishx I thank you for your many great ideas about how Ron Paul can improve HIS speech. I also thank you for your genius input on how we are all wrong that Ron Paul won the debate and in reality it was Guiliani. 1 question why are you telling us this and not Ron Paul?
Oh wait I answered that in earlier post.. never mind. Go attack something that WE actually are involved in.. you might get better results. :/
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How do you know that I haven't emailed the campaign? (Not that they will get the email considering the volume they must already get).

Why did I post this? Because I want people to be more realistic and not get into groupthink like we did in Iowa. We have to see realistically how Ron Paul can win. If you think the message alone will get us to the Presidency you are sorely mistaken.

The official campaign needs to start stepping up their game. This means getting RP's name in the news (even if they have to create the news). It means spending the millions, photo-ops, all that stuff. I know it's cynical but this is how people remember you.

RP needs to capitalize on every second he has on TV to create a moment, which usually comes during live debates, like when Huckabee shot up. If he can't be assertive or appears weak infront of the other candidates people see that and will not vote for him.
 
traitorist said:
no doubt.
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Traitorist, are you mocking us? Common rhetoric is that we are traitors. Glenn Beck insinuated that we are terrorists.

Could you explain who the traitorists are and why you would pick that name for yourself?
 
I'm not sure why someone who makes a thread title "the real anaylisis..." would not to expect to be called a troll. I'm not saying I agree with the label, but the title implies others who may think Ron Paul did well are just blinded by love for Paul they couldn't see the truth as the OP. I'm just talking about the thread title here, but you can't put out arrogance, and expect not to get back negativity.

Edit: Apparently the OP realized the arrogance and changed the title. Thanks.
 
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Gimme Some Truth said:
:confused: erm ... sorry to tell you this bu there is a reptillian stood right behind you! :eek:


(I bet you look)
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You're equating the belief that there are people who would sign up to a public forum for some fun or business with bad intentions with the belief that reptiles really rule the world.

That is so fair.

The main reason why I think a lot of you are trolls is that you are so often discounting the possibility of trolling. That is something that flies in the face of all my internet experience.
 
i agree that this thread is not only about critiquing the debate performance, but is also a learning lesson in how those in the grassroots take criticism as well. some better than others i see. funny how we are fighting the winds fascism in our own forum, where dissent or criticism is frowned upon by some of these senior members here.
 
Dr. Paul needs to address the rudeness of the other candidates ridiculing him. We know he was unworthy of such self-demeaning actions, but the main public may not. Next time, he should speak out and tell them that they should afford him the time to speak his message and let the American public decide if he is right or wrong, instead of scoffing him.

They scoffed him and yet took up his beliefs, that he has lived by, as their own.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Besides taking up SOME of Ron Paul's positions and claiming them as their own they did not succinctly address the solutions they offer to the issues, as some of the democrats did. At some points of the democratic debate, I thought I heard Ron Paul, coming through, loud and clear. Like when Edwards said "I take this fight personally" (Ron Paul is just as devoted personally) and when they were talking about getting out of Iraq, like the main fix needs to be the economy, that they are against the big money lobbyists. This all sounded like echoes of Ron Paul.

The way the other candidates snubbed Dr. Paul just appeared to me to be staged.

I am sure that the good Dr. was disconcerted by this show of disrespect and could be part of the reason he stammered in some of his responses. Besides being talked over and cut short and given condescending looks and snickers.

He may have been tired, and after the gang bashing not quite as quick on his feet.

HE is tough. He'll spring back.

Ron Paul is out there putting in the time and effort, we should do the same.

I am appalled at how many people I talk to on the streets and in my precinct that do not know about him.

So let's not let him down. Let's hit the streets, give out info, give money, plant signs, make phone calls, WHATEVER it takes. Let's give 110%.
Ron Paul is.
 
NerveShocker said:
In what way is this constructive criticism..? Are you kidding? Telling us how Ron Paul should improve his speech... how does that relate to us at all? It was a senseless post attacking Ron Paul saying he has bad speech and that he lost the debate, simple and clear. Even if Ron Paul doesn't speak well which I completely disagree with there is no way it's constructive to make a post to US the grassroots saying how HE can improve his speech. I've always been for constructive criticism and this definitely is not constructive.. its a baseless attack.
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Not everything is black and white as you see it. Try voyaging into the grey matter! He is stating that idiots won't get it! Do you realize how many people have no idea what the Federal Reserve is? What the National ID really is? Know what amnesty is? Or what would happen if we tossed out the IRS? I talk to alot of people and they are as dumb as a stump! The message is strong and WE get it! We need to explain it elementary to the apathetic!
Hell ya Ron Paul spanked all those morons! I know that! You know that! But we need to be asking ourselves...do the sheeple know that? Or do they only know what they have been fed? If you are going to convert sheep to the flock, you need to know how to get your words across so they get it. This is not a troll thread, but a pro-active thread. It has really opened my eyes on how to get the word out to people who may not be as politcally minded as ourselves. Great post!
 
Drknows said:
Oh tell us what to do!!! How can we make Ron Paul sit up straight? How can we make Ron Paul Tell funny jokes at the debate?


What is there to debate? WE CANT CHANGE RON PAULS PERSONALITY!!!

Fckn idiots
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First of all, relax and think calmly so you can understand what I am saying. I know you are emotional right now and want to use names (eg. troll) to vent your frustration.

I am not saying to change Ron Paul's personality... watch this video and tell me Ron Paul can't have more of an impact on a viewer...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

Of course on national TV he would have to tone it down a bit, but RP is VERY witty and can battle when he needs to. This is what's needed when he's being shot down by the Neo-Cons.

At the debate he appeared tired and unenergetic. Ergo, he will be overlooked by Joe Sixpack and MSM. It's not just the message, it's how it's presented (that means tone, posture, timing, etc.)

At the next debate he needs to be less humble and practice his talking points.
 
Umm, there is a big difference between posting a dissenting opinion and posting something that suggests their opinion is the "REAL ANALYSIS" therefore belittling everyone else's analysis(Like the hundreds who agreed Ron Paul won the debate). All of this troll defending is really getting to me.. why is it so hard to believe people come here with bad intentions. When someone has 30 posts and they are all negative it's just common sense. We troll Huckabee forums constantly.. their is more Ron Paul supporters than Huckabee on them. You think they aren't doing the same? Not to mention who the heck else. Obviously not everyone with different opinion is a troll. Someone with few posts who suggests that they have the "REAL ANALYSIS" and it happens to be 100% opposite of what the majority on Ron Paul Forums thinks could be a "Troll". Not to mention when their attack is used to say Ron Paul lost the debate (This is ridiculous) and then to suggest how Ron Paul can improve on this. If he wants to help Ron Paul with speech he wouldn't be telling us.. and at the same time informing us Guiliani won.. lol Trolling happens.. its the internet it's VERY easy...
 
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