Americans Elect (Why Not?)

[Dave_C]

Let's keep this simple. I am a state delegate, not disqualified, and an AE supporter. You sir, GTFO

 

[angelatc]

Under RNC rules if Ron participated in the nomination for another party, he could not be nominated at RNC.

So at least unless they delayed their deadline until RNC, this was never going to be an option, given Ron should have the delegate strength to get nominated from the floor.

The beauty of this is that we can work to get Ron the chance to get nominated on the third party ticket without any involvement from Ron and his campaign remnants. Once AE says that he needs to agree to accept the nomination, then and only then is your point an issue.

And at that point, it should be Ron's decision, not yours.

 

[Dave_C]

Under RNC rules if Ron participated in the nomination for another party, he could not be nominated at RNC.

So at least unless they delayed their deadline until RNC, this was never going to be an option, given Ron should have the delegate strength to get nominated from the floor.

All I want to provide him is the option. If he chooses to turn it down, fine. There will be a little clearer delegate perspective following the May and early June primaries and state conventions and I would like to give the campaign every possible option.

 

[Travlyr]

The CFR'S Americans Elect calls it quits

 

[CaptUSA]

It looks like Americans Elect is folding up.

No surprise that they announce this as soon as the media said that Ron Paul is dropping out.

 

[Dave_C]

Just FYI - as of right now, AE has delayed their caucus because no candidate has met the minimum required number of delegates. If we had backed Paul, he would have won by default. They're going to have an executive board conference to review (and probably lower) the qualifications for candidates, with results available on May 17th.

While it would not surprise me if they decided to cut their losses and close up shop, I expect them to extend the qualifying deadline to just prior to the online convention date. They have spent a bunch to date, but there would be even bigger costs in a national online primary and the rest of the petition drives. I see no harm in riding this out.

 

[Dave_C]

The CFR'S Americans Elect calls it quits

Being a Ron Paul supporter, shouldn't you be expected to be able to read past an inaccurate or partial headline?

 

[Travlyr]

Being a Ron Paul supporter, shouldn't you be expected to be able to read past an inaccurate or partial headline?

Well, I researched Americans Elect a long time ago. They state in their rules that the online voting process was not the final determining factor in deciding who was the nominee. The Americans Elect Board makes that decision. Since the AE Board is made up of a bunch of international bankers and international corporate CEOs and CFR members, do you really believe that they would select Ron Paul in a million years?

Besides, do you trust online voting to be accurate? How can online voting be verified?

 

[angelatc]

The CFR'S Americans Elect calls it quits

No, that article isn't right. No candidate met their threshold, so they're going to have meetings and announce Plan B. Congratulations on posting inaccurate info.

 

[Dave_C]

Well, I researched Americans Elect a long time ago. They state in their rules that the online voting process was not the final determining factor in deciding who was the nominee. The Americans Elect Board makes that decision. Since the AE Board is made up of a bunch of international bankers and international corporate CEOs and CFR members, do you really believe that they would select Ron Paul in a million years?

Besides, do you trust online voting to be accurate? How can online voting be verified?

I do not at all trust the people behind AE or the online process. I also do not trust GOP leadership or their selection process. My role is to advance Ron Paul's chances to become President and will use every tool presented. I have no problem hijacking AE or the GOP in this cause. If Ron Paul were to go into an online primary with a huge lead a delegates I do not think that AE would destroy their online cred with any tricks. Besides what candidate could the open with that would draw more than Ron Paul. My perspective is that in 2012 they are more driven to get established than promote an agenda. I do expect that to change.

 

[Travlyr]

No, that article isn't right. No candidate met their threshold, so they're going to have meetings and announce Plan B. Congratulations on posting inaccurate info.

Did you read their rules? How do you verify online voting?

 

[angelatc]

Well, I researched Americans Elect a long time ago. They state in their rules that the online voting process was not the final determining factor in deciding who was the nominee. The Americans Elect Board makes that decision. Since the AE Board is made up of a bunch of international bankers and international corporate CEOs and CFR members, do you really believe that they would select Ron Paul in a million years?

Besides, do you trust online voting to be accurate? How can online voting be verified?

There you go again. Because something bad might happen, let's not do anything at all, to make sure nothing at all happens. All anybody wanted was for this to be a Plan B for Ron Paul.

If nothing else, it would give us leverage at the GOP convention.

 

[Travlyr]

I do not at all trust the people behind AE or the online process. I also do not trust GOP leadership or their selection process. My role is to advance Ron Paul's chances to become President and will use every tool presented. I have no problem hijacking AE or the GOP in this cause. If Ron Paul were to go into an online primary with a huge lead a delegates I do not think that AE would destroy their online cred with any tricks. Besides what candidate could the open with that would draw more than Ron Paul. My perspective is that in 2012 they are more driven to get established than promote an agenda. I do expect that to change.

Why do you want an international organization to choose our American president?

 

[angelatc]

Did you read their rules? How do you verify online voting?

They weren't conducting a presidential election via the internet, they were only using the internet to select a candidate. IF they were going to cheat, to put their candidate of choice in a frontrunner position, they wouldn't be making the announcement they did today. THey would have faked their votes over the past few months and used today to make their announcement official.

Look what you and yours did. Today, when Jesse Benton announced that we can't win the nomination could have been the day that Americans Elect announced that their candidate, should he choose to accept, was Ron Paul. Think the media would have ignored that?

Instead, you guys get to sit back, fire one up and say, "Meh, he wasn't gonna win anyway" because you're so good at predicting what is and isn't going to happen.

Congratulations.

 

[angelatc]

Why do you want an international organization to choose our American president?

That's not what was happening. Why do you want the Revolution to end?

 

[Travlyr]

That's not what was happening. Why do you want the Revolution to end?

The Revolution is not ended at all. It is stronger than ever. As a delegate to my State Assembly I personally witnessed nearly 1/2 of the Assembly members consisted of Ron Paul supporters. The State and County Chairs along with many of the candidates running for office are Ron Paul supporters. The liberty movement is growing fast and the younger generation is not going to give up.

Americans Elect had no vote verification process. There is no reason to trust online polls or voting until there is a valid vote verification process implemented.

You do understand that international bankers oppose Ron Paul, right?

 

[angelatc]

You do understand that international bankers oppose Ron Paul, right?

You think the GOP doesn't?

Like I said, the Revolution died today. We're tomorrow's Buchanan Brigade.


ETA: Nobody is saying that we shouldn't continue to change the GOP. But 70% - 80% of those people you're seeing at the convention will wander away from the party over the next two years, and by the time Rand's turn comes up, less than 2% of us will still be active in the party.

The people who will *never* vote for a Republican will go back to the Democratic fold, or not vote at all.

That's my prediction. Bear in mind I am the person who said the delegate strategy wasn't mathmatically possible, so my track record seems to be a little more credible than yours.

 

[airborne373]

The beauty of this is that we can work to get Ron the chance to get nominated on the third party ticket without any involvement from Ron and his campaign remnants. Once AE says that he needs to agree to accept the nomination, then and only then is your point an issue.

And at that point, it should be Ron's decision, not yours.

Why do you attack those you support Ron Paul winning the GOP nomination. Why do you work in direct opposition of the majority of users as well as the owners of this site promoting a third party that would dis-qualify the hard worked of R.P. delegates around the nation. Why do you think your personal desires to feed you ego are more important than the lives of others?

You tear down what other build up. No one is stopping you from promoting your ideas about American elect. Go start a website, or a movement. Your efforts to hijack this one only show you for what you are.

 

[angelatc]

Why do you attack those you support Ron Paul winning the GOP nomination. Why do you work in direct opposition of the majority of users as well as the owners of this site promoting a third party that would dis-qualify the hard worked of R.P. delegates around the nation. Why do you think your personal desires to feed you ego are more important than the lives of others?

You tear down what other build up. .

Americans Elect isn't a party.

I'm not tearing down anything. In case you didn't notice, the official campaign said today that there is no chance that we can win the official nomination. There's nothing left to tear down.

I'm a bad person because I did the math and saw this coming months ago, and wanted to give the Revolution the chance to live on past today. Yeah, ok.

Like I said in another thread, if the non-delegated supporters had signed up for AE a few months ago, today we would be at least hoping that Paul might accept a third party nomination, and filling up his coffers to show our support.

Don't get me wrong - I wanted to win. But when I saw that it wasn't possible, I wanted a plan B. There's certainly no guarantee that Paul would have even accepted the nomination, but the fact that you and yours wouldn't even consider giving him that opportunity speaks volumes about our political future.

 

[Ivash]

Your efforts to hijack this one only show you for what you are.

People here have an extreme case of bunker mentality. Just because s/he has different views than yours doesn't mean that s/he is an enemy.