Americans Elect (Why Not?)

[stu2002]

They Will NOT be running an candidate

Third party group gives up seeking a candidate - Yahoo! News -

http://goo.gl/kyosY

 

[airborne373]

People here have an extreme case of bunker mentality. Just because s/he has different views than yours doesn't mean that s/he is an enemy.

First I did not use the word "enemy" you did. Nice try. NOT. Secondly I am here to win the GOP nomination for Ron Paul. If you or others are working in direct opposition to that then you are by any definition the "opposition."

Plus I have little respect for keyboard warriors. And lets get real if you have tens of thousand of posts on this site you have NO time for any activities in the real world.

 

[Dave_C]

Third party group gives up seeking a candidate - Yahoo! News -

http://goo.gl/kyosY

Ron Paul supporters really should be better than just posting bad headlines. Reading further you would see: "as of today, no candidate has reached the national support threshold required" to enter the online convention. He adds there still is, quote, "an almost universal desire among delegates, leadership and millions of Americans who have supported AE to see a credible candidate emerge from this process." There will be a 5/17 announcement on the next steps.

 

[Ivash]

First I did not use the word "enemy" you did. Nice try. NOT. Secondly I am here to win the GOP nomination for Ron Paul. If you or others are working in direct opposition to that then you are by any definition the "opposition."

Plus I have little respect for keyboard warriors. And lets get real if you have tens of thousand of posts on this site you have NO time for any activities in the real world.

Replace 'enemy' with 'opposition' then- which you logically should have done anyways, but I digress. People simply have different ideas of what is the best for Doctor Paul and the campaign and there is nothing wrong with that. To treat every such person as a potential subverting force (which a lot of people on this site do) is off putting at best, not to mention rather funny.

I've seen many posts talking about posters here that are really in Romney's campaign pretending to be Paul supporters, among other things. It is on its face ridiculous.

 

[angelatc]

First I did not use the word "enemy" you did. Nice try. NOT. Secondly I am here to win the GOP nomination for Ron Paul. If you or others are working in direct opposition to that then you are by any definition the "opposition."

Plus I have little respect for keyboard warriors. And lets get real if you have tens of thousand of posts on this site you have NO time for any activities in the real world.

That just shows that you have no idea who I am or what I've done. Not that you should, since you rarely participate, and not that I brag about it, but I certainly carry my own weight. I hate to go all Collins on you, but I am an alternate GOP delegate, I have kept the books for a myriad of small liberty campaigns pro-bono, I put in hundreds of hours phoning and I won't talk about my donations, because that's private. I've got the phone numbers and email addresses of at least some people whom you adore - I promise you that.

While I probably do spend too much time on the internet, I don't watch much TV, I don;t play video games, I don't go out drinking. Politics are my passion. The fact that I politic all day, every day, even in years when there isn't a presidential election, and even when Ron Paul isn't on the ballot means my post count is higher than yours. It's a badge of honor *not* to be single-minded.

 

[Dave_C]

First I did not use the word "enemy" you did. Nice try. NOT. Secondly I am here to win the GOP nomination for Ron Paul. If you or others are working in direct opposition to that then you are by any definition the "opposition."

Plus I have little respect for keyboard warriors. And lets get real if you have tens of thousand of posts on this site you have NO time for any activities in the real world.

Bringing this discussion was not in direct opposition to winning the GOP nomination. In fact, I will be a delegate at the MI state convention this week to advance that agenda as well. This is only about bringing the campaign another option. None of us knows yet what the delegate counts will look like, when the AE convention takes place, following the May and early June primaries and conventions. I propose giving the campaign every possible option to consider. If they strategically choose to turn it down, that's ok.

 

[angelatc]

Bringing this discussion was not in direct opposition to winning the GOP nomination. .

Exactly. That's an excellent point.

 

[juvanya]

The positive about 2016 is that obama might take us over the cliff and the country be so fed up they want radical change. The negative is we still have to deal with a delusional republican base full of blood thirsty necons. 18-29 yr olds will be 4 yrs older though and thus will vote in higher numbers. The key for rand to get the nod will be fox news. He must be covered fairly and often by fox news, especially hannity and oreilly. I hate both of them but we must face reality. We're dealing with an ignorant american electorate that can not think for themselves.

Exactly. He won like a dozen states among the 18-29 and half that going up to 30 something. It is inevitable, Mr Anderson.

Got it. If it's going to cost you $100 for RP to run third party or independent it should never happen. People must not have been aware. I'll try to spread the word and stop the effort.

Im not losing $100 because some fools want to pursue a pipe dream (as in crack pipe) that is guaranteed to absolutely not work. Third Party for president does not work and will never work until another billionaire comes around and doesnt blow it with an Alzheimers patient and by dropping out for 6 weeks.

Well, I researched Americans Elect a long time ago. They state in their rules that the online voting process was not the final determining factor in deciding who was the nominee. The Americans Elect Board makes that decision. Since the AE Board is made up of a bunch of international bankers and international corporate CEOs and CFR members, do you really believe that they would select Ron Paul in a million years?

Besides, do you trust online voting to be accurate? How can online voting be verified?

Exactly. It was all a plan in case Ron Paul won the nomination they could still nominate Romney.

Third party group gives up seeking a candidate - Yahoo! News -

http://goo.gl/kyosY

Exactly. Its job is done.

 

[Revolution9]

Let's keep this simple. I am a state delegate, not disqualified, and an AE supporter. You sir, GTFO

So yer supporting the shill organization of the Rothchilds and bragging about it? People..do your research.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

That's not what was happening. Why do you want the Revolution to end?

I guarantee you Rothschild does and that is where that operation was brainchilded.

rev9

 

[Mini-Me]

I'm torn on this. AE is obviously Rothschilds-controlled (plus a smattering of other elites), but the GOP is controlled by the establishment as well. I suspect AE would be impossible to take over, since the elites behind it have ultimate authority over who becomes their candidate, and the online voting is not only untrustworthy but merely a suggestion to inform them. At the same time, it wouldn't really hurt for interested non-delegates to try...assuming they aren't concerned about data mining.

If they ever would happen to accept a Ron Paul nomination, I get the feeling he wouldn't (someone here posted that he already said he wouldn't?). That's really the best case scenario: Deprive them of a nominee, and let AE crumble into nothingness without ever getting the chance to harm us in this cycle OR the next. After all, they might continue to be a problem in the ensuing years, if nothing causes them to lose all perceived credibility in the meantime. The worst case scenario is if they somehow agree to make Ron Paul the nominee and he accepts...because they would subsequently pull the rug from under him to ensure he not only lost but lost spectacularly, while simultaneously earning us the blame of the Republican base for Romney's inevitable loss. Realistically speaking, I suspect the ONLY reason Americans Elect was created was to split the conservative vote in case Ron Paul won the GOP nomination, and I'm not sure what other tricks they might have up their sleeve beyond that.

I'd like to think angelatc is wrong, and that we will learn from our lessons from four years ago and forge ahead with retaking the GOP...but we'll see. Either way, the worst thing we can do is fight with each other, over this or anything else: Lead, follow, or get out of the way. I, for one, will get out of the way of this particular endeavor.

 

[BenIsForRon]

First, get your facts straight, AE is probably not shutting down. It looks like they're going to re-evaluate the requirements and move the primary. This is AE's official press release: http://www.americanselect.org/news/5-2012/statement-americans-elect-ceo-kahlil-byrd

The most important thing to take from the press release is this:

There is, however, an almost universal desire among delegates, leadership and millions of Americans who have supported AE to see a credible candidate emerge from this process.

One of my friends has a national position in AE, and I've talked to other volunteers. They've worked too hard to give up now, and they know that the chances for a third party upset are as good as they've ever been. They just got overzealous drawing the daft requirements over half a year ago, which is understandable, given this is the first time anyone has done something like this. It's hard to get everyone on the internet on board with something like this. It's not easy to pick a candidate, because candidates are usually chosen for us. Don't forget, in 2007, it was a relatively small group of folks who convinced Dr. Paul to run.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with pushing Ron on this website. For those of us who aren't state delegates, we can be AE delegates for Paul without losing focus on the GOP strategy (it just takes a few minutes to sign up, and less than a minute to draft a candidate). And angelatc is right about the GOP strategy, many people who are delegates right now will fall out of the party over the next year, giving power back to the establishment. I can speak from experience here. It is torture to go to a monthly county GOP meeting. It's like living in Fox News. I eventually stopped going, which I'm sure hurt my credibility amongst the more dedicated "party warriors". Thankfully, my colleagues in liberty had more resolve than me and stuck it out. Now the county chair is a 100% Paul supporter, one of my friends from way back in '07. So I do see the GOP strategy working, in the long run, but it's highly doubtful we'll have majority power in the national party by 2016.

Take away point is this: yes the GOP strategy is a great long term strategy, but getting a good candidate the AE nod could get us immediate results in November. People want a legit third party, and a likeable, marketable guy could fill that void. I'd say Ron Paul is probably the best choice for that guy, but there are other good choices to if he doesn't want (he probably doesn't want it).

 

[BenIsForRon]

I guarantee you Rothschild does and that is where that operation was brainchilded.

rev9

The world does not revolve around Ron Paul.

 

[rp2012win]

My hope at this point is for someone to be on stage with obama and romney in the debates. Having the american people see someone on that debate stage that does not have an R or a D next to their name will send shockwaves throughout the political establishment (regardless of how flawed that candidiate may be). I want it to be Ron but it sounds like he wont do it so I'll take anyone basically. We must end the two part stranglehold. People I like (like ron and rand) can not fully operate within the two party system as we know it. We need 3rd party legitimacy.

 

[Mini-Me]

The world does not revolve around Ron Paul.

To be honest, this election cycle certainly has...just saying. That's not to say I disagree with trying to use AE: I see little harm coming from trying.

 

[ryanmkeisling]

Ron doesn't have to participate, he's a draft candidate.

He did participate, or someone under his name did in some way. Someone had to spend the time to answer the questions, which as any one who is a member knows could take a couple hours.

 

[BenIsForRon]

http://www.americanselect.org/news/5-2012/press-release-ae-gains-ballot-access-alabama

The latest press release from AE. They're certainly not slowing down.

If a good candidate wins, it won't be a dud. We can influence that, just sayin.

 

[idiom]

These are NOT incompatible.

If Ron Paul looks like a probable draft 3rd party candidate that puts pressure on the GOP to give concessions or even the nomination.

We certainly should be able to achieve both.

 

[speciallyblend]

http://www.americanselect.org/news/5-2012/press-release-ae-gains-ballot-access-alabama

The latest press release from AE. They're certainly not slowing down.

If a good candidate wins, it won't be a dud. We can influence that, just sayin.

I am still a "online delegate" i think they call it.

 

[cindy25]

The positive about 2016 is that obama might take us over the cliff and the country be so fed up they want radical change. The negative is we still have to deal with a delusional republican base full of blood thirsty necons. 18-29 yr olds will be 4 yrs older though and thus will vote in higher numbers. The key for rand to get the nod will be fox news. He must be covered fairly and often by fox news, especially hannity and oreilly. I hate both of them but we must face reality. We're dealing with an ignorant american electorate that can not think for themselves.

would Rand risk his senate seat to run for president? He couldn't do both (he will have a primary)