American Atheists Target Christmas in Billboard

[Bman]

Ra approves this billboard.

 

[oyarde]

I'm agnostic, but I think the vast majority of Christian religions teach a perverted idol worshiping, pro-establishment version of religion that I find pretty sickening.

If this billboard wakes up the people who are being brainwashed into religion simply because they are following what is socially acceptable, and this helps them feel that their non-belief in their particular bullshit mainstream brand of Christian religion is socially acceptable, then I think the ad can and very well may be successful.

I wonder if most Christians believe because it is socially acceptable ? I doubt that , but what do I know . You lost me on the idol worship ?

 

[Seraphim]

I wonder if most Christians believe because it is socially acceptable ? I doubt that , but what do I know . You lost me on the idol worship ?

I would consider a bit of objective consideration on that one.

If you are born into a world where a very large number of the people base their entire world view around X belief, as a child seeking approval you will almost always do what is expected of you to be accepted.

If mommy and daddy teach you X story or belief system, you are almost definately going to believe it and accept it. If most people's mommy and daddy teach them that same concept, how many children have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the waves of peers who follow what their parents teach them (and socially castrate those who do not follow that world view)? NOT MANY.

In fact, most beliefs, PARTICULARLY RELIGION have become so powerful BECAUSE OF socialization and wanting societal and peer acceptance.

Religion just so happens to properly poke at your emotions and need to "explain it all and give life purpose".

This occurs when you are a child and teenager. The rationalizations to defend those culturally bred retardations are left to the stupid adults.

I'm not attacking religion per se, but merely pointing out that social acceptance is a VERY powerful tool in getting people to follow religion.

Here's a modern example: GLOBAL WARMING.

Most people find it difficult to publicly denounce global warming. It's like the socially taboo thing to do. Yet, I sometimes get in such a converstation with people.

I experimented. I started beggining the conversations by aggresively denouncing anthro global warming. The usual reaction is WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING? Then I follow up with logic and facts and they usually leave the conversation saying HMMM YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT! Boom, one person who from that day forward can comb through global warming information with a more complete view of things. WHO WOULDA THOUGHT THAT THE SUN WOULD BE THE DRIVING FACTOR BEHIND GLOBAL WARMING?!??!


Whether you like or not MOST Christians, Jews and Muslims are not so because they first believe their religion to be true. They believe what they believe because they have been socialized to believe since non believers are chastized and mocked. Not SOME believers, MOST believers. This of course strengthens the believer into...DEEPER BELIEF. By that I really mean more ludicrous rationalizations...but whatever.

I will never fault a human being for believing in "God" or a creator, or a higher power- in fact I think it is silly not too. I will however almost always fault religious followers and people who believe in nonsensical fairy tales holy book divine creation and walking on water. Thank you for abusing the minds of your own children and forever hampering their cognitive abilities. CONGRADULATIONS.

Believing in "God" is smart. Trying to explain what "God" is or wants for/from us, is stupid. Believing in scriptural explanations of God and/or God's word is tantamount to full blown mental retardation. One can be very smart and yet be so damn retarted at the same time.

K I'm done.

 

[dannno]

I would consider a bit of objective consideration on that one.

lol ya, most Christians were raised in Christian societies and most Muslims were raised in Muslim societies.. other than that, there are very little inherent differences between the two groups.

 

[oyarde]

I would consider a bit of objective consideration on that one.

If you are born into a world where a very large number of the people base their entire world view around X belief, as a child seeking approval you will almost always do what is expected of you to be accepted.

If mommy and daddy teach you X story or belief system, you are almost definately going to believe it and accept it. If most people's mommy and daddy teach them that same concept, how many children have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the waves of peers who follow what their parents teach them (and socially castrate those who do not follow that world view)? NOT MANY.

In fact, most beliefs, PARTICULARLY RELIGION have become so powerful BECAUSE OF socialization and wanting societal and peer acceptance.

Religion just so happens to properly poke at your emotions and need to "explain it all and give life purpose".

This occurs when you are a child and teenager. The rationalizations to defend those culturally bred retardations are left to the stupid adults.

I'm not attacking religion per se, but merely pointing out that social acceptance is a VERY powerful tool in getting people to follow religion.

Here's a modern example: GLOBAL WARMING.

Most people find it difficult to publicly denounce global warming. It's like the socially taboo thing to do. Yet, I sometimes get in such a converstation with people.

I experimented. I started beggining the conversations by aggresively denouncing anthro global warming. The usual reaction is WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING? Then I follow up with logic and facts and they usually leave the conversation saying HMMM YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT! Boom, one person who from that day forward can comb through global warming information with a more complete view of things. WHO WOULDA THOUGHT THAT THE SUN WOULD BE THE DRIVING FACTOR BEHIND GLOBAL WARMING?!??!


Whether you like or not MOST Christians, Jews and Muslims are not so because they first believe their religion to be true. They believe what they believe because they have been socialized to believe since non believers are chastized and mocked. Not SOME believers, MOST believers. This of course strengthens the believer into...DEEPER BELIEF. By that I really mean more ludicrous rationalizations...but whatever.

I will never fault a human being for believing in "God" or a creator, or a higher power- in fact I think it is silly not too. I will however almost always fault religious followers and people who believe in nonsensical fairy tales holy book divine creation and walking on water. Thank you for abusing the minds of your own children and forever hampering their cognitive abilities. CONGRADULATIONS.

Believing in "God" is smart. Trying to explain what "God" is or wants for/from us, is stupid. Believing in scriptural explanations of God and/or God's word is tantamount to full blown mental retardation. One can be very smart and yet be so damn retarted at the same time.

K I'm done.

I denounce man made global warming !!!!

 

[oyarde]

Ra approves this billboard.

Where is Ra residing these days ?

 

[oyarde]

Danno is in California . I would think there , on the Coast , many things would be just as , if not more , socially acceptable as Christianity .

 

[oyarde]

lol ya, most Christians were raised in Christian societies and most Muslims were raised in Muslim societies.. other than that, there are very little inherent differences between the two groups.

Many Christians , Muslims , Hindus , Jews etc were also raised in areas where there were other religions .

 

[idirtify]

I would consider a bit of objective consideration on that one.

If you are born into a world where a very large number of the people base their entire world view around X belief, as a child seeking approval you will almost always do what is expected of you to be accepted.

If mommy and daddy teach you X story or belief system, you are almost definately going to believe it and accept it. If most people's mommy and daddy teach them that same concept, how many children have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the waves of peers who follow what their parents teach them (and socially castrate those who do not follow that world view)? NOT MANY.

In fact, most beliefs, PARTICULARLY RELIGION have become so powerful BECAUSE OF socialization and wanting societal and peer acceptance.

Religion just so happens to properly poke at your emotions and need to "explain it all and give life purpose".

This occurs when you are a child and teenager. The rationalizations to defend those culturally bred retardations are left to the stupid adults.

I'm not attacking religion per se, but merely pointing out that social acceptance is a VERY powerful tool in getting people to follow religion.

Here's a modern example: GLOBAL WARMING.

Most people find it difficult to publicly denounce global warming. It's like the socially taboo thing to do. Yet, I sometimes get in such a converstation with people.

I experimented. I started beggining the conversations by aggresively denouncing anthro global warming. The usual reaction is WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING? Then I follow up with logic and facts and they usually leave the conversation saying HMMM YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT! Boom, one person who from that day forward can comb through global warming information with a more complete view of things. WHO WOULDA THOUGHT THAT THE SUN WOULD BE THE DRIVING FACTOR BEHIND GLOBAL WARMING?!??!


Whether you like or not MOST Christians, Jews and Muslims are not so because they first believe their religion to be true. They believe what they believe because they have been socialized to believe since non believers are chastized and mocked. Not SOME believers, MOST believers. This of course strengthens the believer into...DEEPER BELIEF. By that I really mean more ludicrous rationalizations...but whatever.

I will never fault a human being for believing in "God" or a creator, or a higher power- in fact I think it is silly not too. I will however almost always fault religious followers and people who believe in nonsensical fairy tales holy book divine creation and walking on water. Thank you for abusing the minds of your own children and forever hampering their cognitive abilities. CONGRADULATIONS.

Believing in "God" is smart. Trying to explain what "God" is or wants for/from us, is stupid. Believing in scriptural explanations of God and/or God's word is tantamount to full blown mental retardation. One can be very smart and yet be so damn retarted at the same time.

K I'm done.

The obvious question from anyone so self-extracted from such social programming is: Why is it “smart” to believe in god? Besides the lack of evidence, isn’t the concept of “god” the central element of the brainwashing process you decry?

 

[Seraphim]

Many Christians , Muslims , Hindus , Jews etc were also raised in areas where there were other religions .

It's largely a family issue. They were raised and spent almost all their time with their family. Inherent bias towards whatever momma and papa are. I'm not saying that's wrong- that's how it should be. But that does not make it perfect and it certainly applies to religion and belief in religion.

 

[Theocrat]

No Reason for Reason This Season, Mr. "Atheist"

American Atheists Target Christmas in Billboard


Raven Clabough | The New American
29 November 2010

[lol] In terms of their own worldview, "atheists" can't even give an objective reason for Reason. Is it made of matter? Is it just the random processes of electrons firing in the brain? "Atheists" don't even know what the nature of Reason is. For all their intellectual jargon about "following reason, not religion," "atheists'" explanations make Reason unreasonable. After all, why should we use Reason in an "atheist" universe?

 

[idirtify]

Wishing FrankRep would enlighten us as to the purpose of his thread, if he isn’t going to participate.

Once again, Frank, what do you think should be done about the billboard? You obviously disagree with it.

 

[low preference guy]

Theo, out of curiosity, are you a priest or planning to become one?

 

[low preference guy]

Wishing FrankRep would enlighten us as to the purpose of his thread, if he isn’t going to participate.

Once again, Frank, what do you think should be done about the billboard? You obviously disagree with it.

My guess would be he just wants some members to feel outraged.

 

[idirtify]

In terms of their own worldview, "atheists" can't even give an objective reason for Reason. Is it made of matter? Is it just the random processes of electrons firing in the brain? "Atheists" don't even know what the nature of Reason is. For all their intellectual jargon about "following reason, not religion," "atheists'" explanations make Reason unreasonable. After all, why should we use Reason in an "atheist" universe?

re the nature of "reason", this seems like a pretty good definition:

Reason: a mental faculty (or ability) found in humans, that is able to generate conclusions from assumptions or premises. In other words, it is amongst other things the means by which rational beings propose specific reasons, or explanations of cause and effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

Your turn.

 

[dannno]

Danno is in California . I would think there , on the Coast , many things would be just as , if not more , socially acceptable as Christianity .

Hence there are less Christians raised here.. they don't feel the need to be Christian in order to 'fit-in'. In fact, it's often the very opposite.

 

[oyarde]

Everybody has the abilty to reason .

 

[axiomata]

Three orbits and only one electron? Humm.......

No kidding. For a group so high an mighty about science I find it hilarious that they use an outdated Rutherford model of the atom for their logo.

Electrons don't orbit the nucleus. The exist in a quantum mechanical state within certain predefined orbitals. Talk about mythology.

 

[Seraphim]

The obvious question from anyone so self-extracted from such social programming is: Why is it “smart” to believe in god? Besides the lack of evidence, isn’t the concept of “god” the central element of the brainwashing process you decry?

No the central element is the explanation of: What God is and what HE wants from you.

Religions were incepted in times of RADICAL male dominance when woman were nothing but serfs for men. Therefore, God has been culturally prescribde as a man. That is BIG red flag. Fuck off God is a man. God CANNOT logically be a man. A single creator cannot be a a sex that is a ying to a yang. That is blatant intelletual dishonesty. Perhaps ONE creator is a male. If that is the case I garuFUCKINtee you he has a female partner and there is more than one creator. I'm not saying that is the case (which is my point, my human mind cannot explain existence)- I'm just saying that religious accounts of God and creation are assanine and ARROGANT to the Nth degree.

It is NOT the concept of God that is basis of religious indoctrination. That is a dangerous and widely believed misconception. It is the IMAGE of what/who God is and HIS intent and rules for humanity that are wildly dangerous (more so the ridiculous interpretations and changes to "The Books"). Which were, by the way, written and devised by HUMANS. See: history and reality.

 

[idirtify]

My guess would be he just wants some members to feel outraged.

Well let’s see if I can provoke him to revisit his own creation and elaborate (he’s definitely online and reading):

Hey Frank, why put a reference to violence (“target”) in your thread title? Do you think disagreeing with Christianity is similar to attacking people?