Am I the only one that feels very pessimistic about Rand's 2016 chances right now?

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With this ISIS crisis I've been listening to the talk radio schmucks in recent weeks and that combined with what I'm hearing from GOP figures and from most right-wingers I know sounds like it's 2002-2004 all over again. I hear the neocon war propaganda machine humming just like it did back then and I just think it's going to be extremely difficult for Rand to make inroads with the base that seems hungry for another war.
 
That's what I'm thinking too. This ISIS development in Iraq seems really bad for Rand. It does seem like it's immediately after 9-11 all over again. I'm not going to be as critical of Rand over his foreign policy positions as I have been, because it seems like he may have to come out fully in support of air strikes in Iraq to have any chance whatsoever to win the GOP nomination.
 
Why would Rand Paul Republicans be scared? Anybody could beat Hillary, she can't debate, poor thing. The other Republicans running in 2016 are so afraid of attacking a "woman" that Rand is doing all the heavy lifting all by himself. Rand is leading prayer meetings for Hillary at every stop in IOWA because she is so broke, poor thing.

Don't be afraid I can't think of one Republican that will beat Rand in Ames, Iowa (my home town) where the 1st vote is cast.

Rand is going to win by 5,000 votes, trust me. We call it: Operation Domination!
 
Rand is the clear front runner for the GOP nomination.

It will be extremely difficult for any Democrat to win in 2016 after 8 years of Obama, just as McCain had zero chance after 8 years of Bush.

I don't see how anyone can't be optimistic about Rand's chances.
 
I've been sporting the Rand Paul 2016 bumper sticker on my car since 2012. He's very quickly losing my support with the pro-Israel foreign aid crap. If he doesn't hop off that bandwagon very soon, I won't be voting for him.
 
Cleaner44 said:
It will be extremely difficult for any Democrat to win in 2016 after 8 years of Obama, just as McCain had zero chance after 8 years of Bush.
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But the problem is winning the GOP nomination. The war drums are beating like they were right after 9-11 and before we invaded Iraq.
 
Nic, tell us who you are going for. This aught to be a good one. I bet you don't have one do you?

Restore FREEDOM / Vote Rand Paul
 
The election is a long ways off. 6 months ago this election was supposed to be all about Obamacare. Now you hardly hear the word. Who the hell knows what the crisis of the day will be in two years.
But you are right, at the moment it is not good for Rand. It really does seem as though the extremists in the middle east DON'T want America to be noninterventionist. The country was definitely moving in that direction until ISIS started their shit and got the war mongers all fired up again in this country.
 
R.G said:
Nic, tell us who you are going for. This aught to be a good one. I bet you don't have one do you?

Restore FREEDOM / Vote Rand Paul
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Pretty simple, it will not be the candidate supporting sending foreign aid to anybody. I will vote libertarian or if they don't put up an acceptable candidate, I will abstain from voting.
 
klamath said:
But you are right, at the moment it is not good for Rand. It really does seem as though the extremists in the middle east DON'T want America to be noninterventionist. The country was definitely moving in that direction until ISIS started their shit and got the war mongers all fired up again in this country.
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Hopefully a lot of people are smart enough to realize that this situation with ISIS wouldn't be happening if we hadn't invaded Iraq originally in 2003. Unfortunately, I don't have much confidence that people are that smart.
 
I predict that Rand Paul is going to step up to the podium in Hilton Coliseum in Ames at the 1st debate and say:

I believe in more options, more choices, more FREEDOM in Social Security, including tax-free Personal Savings Accounts(PSA).

That will bring down the house with cheers. That's how Rand will get the youth and Black votes.

Vote Sanity / Vote Rand Paul
 
Nic said:
I've been sporting the Rand Paul 2016 bumper sticker on my car since 2012. He's very quickly losing my support with the pro-Israel foreign aid crap. If he doesn't hop off that bandwagon very soon, I won't be voting for him.
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I don't even know what to say to posts like this. That is such minutia. That is a beyond meaningless issue to not vote for someone. Rand Paul is a once in a lifetime candidate for a libertarian. You will never see someone better who can actually win. Rand is significantly better on the issues than Taft. And he is definitely more articulate and viable than Goldwater.


And, Rand is still a long shot just like every GOP candidate is right now. The stock market has gone straight up for 5 straight years. Rand's best chance is for some sort of reality to set in. If we had a major bear market starting this year and it ran into 2016, that would be a big help. Economic turmoil, particularly if it is blamed on the Fed, is a path for Rand to win.
 
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Nic said:
I've been sporting the Rand Paul 2016 bumper sticker on my car since 2012. He's very quickly losing my support with the pro-Israel foreign aid crap. If he doesn't hop off that bandwagon very soon, I won't be voting for him.
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Your going to get the chance to vote for the most libertarian president in your lifetime, and you're going to blow that opportunity over something that is going to happen regardless of who wins?!

It's like people get caught up in the most trivial differences. (I'm not saying it's not an important issue, but in the scheme of things...) It's like we all have these short term memories and are unable to see beyond the present day.

Imagine this... 50 years from now when your grandchildren ask you if you supported the guy who had a chance to restore some semblance of liberty to the nation, you're going to tell them, "No. He didn't want to ruin his chances of winning enough."
 
Traditional Conservative said:
Hopefully a lot of people are smart enough to realize that this situation with ISIS wouldn't be happening if we hadn't invaded Iraq originally in 2003. Unfortunately, I don't have much confidence that people are that smart.
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However they might realize that but at the same time say what is done is done now we have to deal with it.
I actually disagree with you on the invasion of Iraq being the cause. I really think the ouster of Kaddafi in libya and the belief of the rebels in Syria that the US and EU was going to provide them an airforce like they did for the rebels in Libya spurred that revolution on. The lawlessness in Syria made fertile ground. ISIS grew in Syria not Iraq.
 
All you have to do is show up and vote. Assuming that he runs. Most of the people that I know or come into political contact with will likely show up and give him their vote.

Younger voters are generally divided, though, and it's been ignored for the most part. I think that is where you'll run into problems. The fact is that most aren't products of the we ask, you decide model and don't participate work in the direction of those who remain trustees of it. And it's unfortunate because they 1- have yuns outnumbered and 2 - are very liberty minded. They just get lumped into the "liberal" category and shunned by those whom they outnumber out in the wild west that is the www and whatnot.
 
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I actually disagree with you on the invasion of Iraq being the cause. I really think the ouster of Kaddafi in libya and the belief of the rebels in Syria that the US and EU was going to provide them an airforce like they did for the rebels in Libya spurred that revolution on. The lawlessness in Syria made fertile ground. ISIS grew in Syria not Iraq.
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Well, I think it's all of the above.
 
Nic said:
Pretty simple, it will not be the candidate supporting sending foreign aid to anybody. I will vote libertarian or if they don't put up an acceptable candidate, I will abstain from voting.
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If Rand wins the Primary, then you can decide who to vote for in the General. ;)

Unless Jeb Bush all of a sudden calls for eliminating all foreign aid...
 
It also seems like the events in Ferguson aren't good for Rand either, as it looks more and more likely that the police officer killed Brown in self defense, and Rand's Op-Ed made it sound like he was siding with Brown.
 
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