Am I the only one not impressed with Ventura and Kokesh?

I liked Gary Johnson a lot, I feel he is underrated.

+1776. :D

I think he would unite us and be able to continue what Paul did bring in outsiders. Not true with Ventura, in fact I doubt I would even vote for him, he is not fiscally conservative, my biggest voting point.
 
I actually don't see how Kokesh and Ventura stole the show. Seems as if the people who felt they got too much attention are actually the ones who these 2 stood out to most.
Johnson stood out a lot for me as did a lot of the other speakers. I was very impressed by him and will probably send him a request to move to Ohio lol

If Johnson ran for president in 2012 I am sure I would break into tears! 8 year governor... republican credible... hardcore fiscal conservative... what's not to love!
 
Ventura is a nut case and has serious elements of self-delusion.

Gary Johnson was the best Governor NM has had in its history and would make an excellent CIC. Yet I seriously doubt he would want it. He is just too independent and self-reliant to put up with political party bufoonmanship and idiocy.
 
Pro life-Pro choice is not, I repeat NOT the question we should be debating. The question is federalism v. anti-federalism.

Is abortion a federal issue? Does Congressman Paul support an admendment to the constitution banning abortion?

Dr. Paul has stated his view on this issue, do we not listen?
 
Ventura is a nut case and has serious elements of self-delusion.

Agreed. Plus....he has that look that a lot of aging former wrestlers get...makes me think he was heavily into the steroids...

Gary Johnson was the best Governor NM has had in its history and would make an excellent CIC. Yet I seriously doubt he would want it. He is just too independent and self-reliant to put up with political party bufoonmanship and idiocy.

Which is exactly why he'd be perfect. :)
 
I'd love to party with either one of them, but I'm not sure I'd have given either the microphone at the rally. CSPAN2 viewers just might not take their message well.

Powerful allies, and powerful speakers, but there's a time and a place for every message.
 
I liked Kokesh but couldn't stand Ventura.

911 truthers are an embarrassment and without them Ron Paul's efforts would be much more successful.

Second, Ventura seemed to suggest he could be our savior if we only earned his efforts. Something like he'll be watching to see if we rise up. Meanwhile, he's dropping out of Senate races he had a real chance of winning because he's afraid of the media.

Ventura can leave us alone for all I care.


Kokesh was great though. Yes, his statement was threatening, but he buffered it by first stating that we have to act civilly now, and only get violent if they take too much of our rights away. If our right to free-speech is taken away, it's tough to imagine any other way we could act.
 
I liked Kokesh but couldn't stand Ventura.

911 truthers are an embarrassment and without them Ron Paul's efforts would be much more successful.

Second, Ventura seemed to suggest he could be our savior if we only earned his efforts. Something like he'll be watching to see if we rise up. Meanwhile, he's dropping out of Senate races he had a real chance of winning because he's afraid of the media.

Ventura can leave us alone for all I care.


Kokesh was great though. Yes, his statement was threatening, but he buffered it by first stating that we have to act civilly now, and only get violent if they take too much of our rights away. If our right to free-speech is taken away, it's tough to imagine any other way we could act.

+1.... Ventura's "You get me ballot access on all 50 states and I could beat whatever the Repubs or Dems throw at me!" comment pissed me off... He's always so f'ing arrogant on air.
 
I liked Kokesh but couldn't stand Ventura.

911 truthers are an embarrassment and without them Ron Paul's efforts would be much more successful.

Second, Ventura seemed to suggest he could be our savior if we only earned his efforts. Something like he'll be watching to see if we rise up. Meanwhile, he's dropping out of Senate races he had a real chance of winning because he's afraid of the media.

Ventura can leave us alone for all I care.


Your dissent is more justified than most but, like all "debunkers" and "anti-truthers" you also have not addressed Venturas Bin Laden questions.

Seriously, what's so "embarrassing" about those questions? They are perfectly legit and even ron paul admitted that. There was nothing Nuts or "embarrassing" about those questions.

Ventura is arrogant, and is very confident in himself. You may not like this but too bad for you... he's a man who can get the job done and has a very impressive resume, his arrogance is justified.

He's not afraid to admit that he didnt run for purely personal reasons. Also, his philosophy on public office is that you "get in, do your job and then leave".

he does not like "career politicians" and thinks that public offices should be held by the people, not career politicians. This is a very hard concept for a lot of people (like yourself) who have paid attention to the media their entire lives, to understand.

You can say all you want about Ventura and 911 truth but, your comments are more insulting than constructive.

I challenge you to give me a decent answer on Venturas questions, rather than just insulting him, and truthers such as myself. I used to be a "debunker" i've read the popular mechanics book, the commission report, watched many documentaries including 'screw loose change', and have paid attention to each and every NIST conference that has been held.

911 truth is not an embarrassment (although some of the dumbass truthers who dont do any research, give us that image) There are valid questions! You just choose to listen to the moron truthers who make baseless claims. I will admit there are alot of them but, that doesnt mean there arent just reasons for believing there was some sort of conspiracy behind 911. Just follow the money trails that financed the hijackers, and try to not find something suspicious.

Kokesh and Ventura are both true patriots to the core, and i dont doubt that both of them have some flaws but, They love and are willing to fight for freedom, and that's enough for me to support them if either of them run for office.

Not doing so will give the Rep's and Dems the advantage, yet again.
 
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Ventura really grinds my gears. 9/11 truther, pro-choice, pro-illegal immigration. Kokesh is a good speaker, but that line he gave sounded really violent and threatening. He also was part of a college campus student making fun of "conservo-fascists".

The day our movement becomes some crazy violent coup whose rally cries are proving 9/11 was an inside job, making it legal to abort, and opening the borders to every Mexican and Arab...

This isn't what Dr. Paul would want. He's not a truther, he's pro-life, he wants to secure the borders, and he even went as far as to vote in favor of giving no visas to students from terrorists nations during the Iranian hostage crisis.

I'm going to support B.J. Lawson, and other liberty minded individuals who share Ron Paul's values and my own values.

BJ Lawson is a great candidate. He manages to convey the freedom message in a way that is acceptable to a mainstream audience.

While Guys like Kokesh and Ventura are important leaders in the freedom movement, BJ Lawson probably has more importance for mainstream politics.
 
Ventura really grinds my gears. 9/11 truther, pro-choice, pro-illegal immigration. Kokesh is a good speaker, but that line he gave sounded really violent and threatening. He also was part of a college campus student making fun of "conservo-fascists".

The day our movement becomes some crazy violent coup whose rally cries are proving 9/11 was an inside job, making it legal to abort, and opening the borders to every Mexican and Arab...

This isn't what Dr. Paul would want. He's not a truther, he's pro-life, he wants to secure the borders, and he even went as far as to vote in favor of giving no visas to students from terrorists nations during the Iranian hostage crisis.

I'm going to support B.J. Lawson, and other liberty minded individuals who share Ron Paul's values and my own values.

lol. You make me giggle. Have it yor own way. While I don't feel the same reactionary sentiments, I do criticiZe both of those guys.

Ventura: 9/11 truth nut

Kokesh: annoying, probably a lefty cum guzzler
 
I helped to negotiate that speaking slot for Adam Kokesh at the RFR, no kidding. That young man is defiantly "on fire" to save our country from total distruction. "Well who are you?" you might well ask. I'm one of the delegates to the RFR/C4L conventions, Kansas 4th, and you can check with Adam yourself, I set him up with Mike M... (from the "walk across America" group) to give up his time to Adam. I also helped, on the ground, to run the last two "Ronvoy" events.

In this discussion, I have a couple of questions that I must ask: 1. Is he wrong? 2. Have we all but exhausted all other "peaceful" means to restore our republic? 3. Do we have the "luxury of time" to wait out another sham "election" and attempt to alter anything against a bought and paid for "press" that is entertainment driven, placated news events and a corporate paid for Congress? 4. What difference does an "alternative press" make if the vast majority of "THE PUBLIC" never sees it, and the "issues" raised are never discussed openly and honestly?


The phrase that Adam used "With your blood or ours, we have come to water the tree of liberty!" keeps ringing in my ears, hauntingly so. Are we there yet? If not, when? Do we wait until there are mushroom clouds on our horizons caused by this "neo-conned" agenda, BEFORE we do more than just raise our voices?


HOW LONG AMERICA? WAKE UP!
 
You're not the only one, I'm sure, but having watched Ventura for a long time, I'm not impressed with him.
 
I got to listen to him a little at the campfire the night before. He seems like a nice kid. I get the impression that maybe several people here are unfamiliar with 1)Marines 2)guys who were in Fallujah. They may just be a little shocked. I'm from an AF family, but hey, we know some Marines. ;) And the kids from the Guard Unit here in town were in Fallujah. It was a bad place. A really bad place. My heart aches for them. But it was real. It happened. And they did what they had to do. I'm sorry it upsets some people here. They're more upset. Really.
 
I challenge you to give me a decent answer on Venturas questions, rather than just insulting him, and truthers such as myself. I used to be a "debunker" i've read the popular mechanics book, the commission report, watched many documentaries including 'screw loose change', and have paid attention to each and every NIST conference that has been held.

911 truth is not an embarrassment (although some of the dumbass truthers who dont do any research, give us that image) There are valid questions! You just choose to listen to the moron truthers who make baseless claims. I will admit there are alot of them but, that doesnt mean there arent just reasons for believing there was some sort of conspiracy behind 911. Just follow the money trails that financed the hijackers, and try to not find something suspicious.

To be honest, I don't have any problems with people speculating or engaging in conspiracy theories. I do it all the time. In fact, I even subscribe to a 9-11 truth magazine(didn't know it was when I ordered it but I still read and enjoy it). I wouldn't be surprised if the attacks actually were a conspiracy.

But there is a time and a place to speculate, and you certainly have to be aware of your public perception. Listening to Coast-to-Coast am or sharing ideas during a poker game is one thing, but associating a political movement you believe in to a concept that most people are disgusted by is entirely another. There is nothing to gain from publicly associating yourself with the 9-11 truth movement.

People will:

A: Think you hate America
B: Think you're delirious

Considering the way Ron's competition has effectively branded him as "whacky" makes it all the more important for 9-11 truthers to go away.

Until there is a better environment for government transparency, 9-11 truthers need to shut up, or at least stay away from Ron Paul and his events. They are making it harder for all of us.
 
I don't accept your definition of liberty then. To me, defending liberty means caring so much about liberty and freedom that you spend your time guaranteeing that right to the least among us, like Dr. Paul has done. How can we protect liberty if we don't protect life?


Hey look I know Ron Paul is a Pro-Lifer. And there certainly is strong merit in the case. But the whole not liking someone for not being pro-life is silly. The reason is becasue you are simply casting everyone who is pro-choice into a catergory of being heartless individuals who are a bunch of baby killers. It's just not the case. I have many problems with the pro-life movement and feel free to debate. I'd say to watch George Carlins Back in Town if you'd like to see where I'm coming from.

There's one area I really do not see eye to eye with Ron Paul and that is pro-life. Not to mention making abortions illegal does not stop abortions. It's a moral dilemma. Yes it is true life begins at conception. But it's also true that there is a difference from being in the womb as compared to being outside of the womb.

Personally, I'd like to keep Government out of the decision I would have to make, and base my thought s on individual cases.

For one. Wouldn't forcing a raped girl to keep the baby be a violation of her rights?

Ventura's not a bad person. Nor does he have a bad overall message. He's just not on the side of the christian right when it comes to morality.

And Adam Kokesh is awesome. People like him are some of the main reasons freedom exists.
 
We have to get abortion *out* of federal politics.

It hamstrings everything else. And besides, the Repubs don't even mean it.
 
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