All red meat is bad for you, new study says

If your mother is O, there is no way you can be AB. If that's the case, you're adopted.


If your mother is O and your father AB, you will be either A or B

Ya I know it's more complicated and I didn't want to re-learn all of the blood type genetics... but the point is that someone whose ancestors are inclined toward a certain diet may receive the the digestive tract of that main set and may end up with the blood type of another.
 
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I just got around to reading this e-mail and was going to post a link to it here; you beat me to it!
 
Ya I know it's more complicated and I didn't want to re-learn all of the blood type genetics... but the point is that someone whose ancestors are inclined toward a certain diet may receive the the digestive tract of that main set and may end up with the blood type of another.

It would be easy enough to test the theory that some blood types do better on a high-carb diet - simply look at type 2 diabetes cases and see if there are fewer with blood type A. If not (and that would be my hypothesis), that pretty well shows that NOBODY, regardless of blood type, does well in the long term on a high carb diet.
 
Mmmmmm, Soylent Green.



All red meat is bad for you, new study says

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-red-meat-20120313,0,565423.story?track=icymi

Eating red meat — any amount and any type — appears to significantly increase the risk of premature death, according to a long-range study that examined the eating habits and health of more than 110,000 adults for more than 20 years.

For instance, adding just one 3-ounce serving of unprocessed red meat — picture a piece of steak no bigger than a deck of cards — to one's daily diet was associated with a 13% greater chance of dying during the course of the study.

Even worse, adding an extra daily serving of processed red meat, such as a hot dog or two slices of bacon, was linked to a 20% higher risk of death during the study.

"Any red meat you eat contributes to the risk," said An Pan, a postdoctoral fellow at the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston and lead author of the study, published online Monday in the Archives of Internal Medicine.

Crunching data from thousands of questionnaires that asked people how frequently they ate a variety of foods, the researchers also discovered that replacing red meat with other foods seemed to reduce mortality risk for study participants.

Eating a serving of nuts instead of beef or pork was associated with a 19% lower risk of dying during the study. The team said choosing poultry or whole grains as a substitute was linked with a 14% reduction in mortality risk; low-fat dairy or legumes, 10%; and fish, 7%.

Previous studies had associated red meat consumption with diabetes, heart disease and cancer, all of which can be fatal. Scientists aren't sure exactly what makes red meat so dangerous, but the suspects include the iron and saturated fat in beef, pork and lamb, the nitrates used to preserve them, and the chemicals created by high-temperature cooking.

The Harvard researchers hypothesized that eating red meat would also be linked to an overall risk of death from any cause, Pan said. And the results suggest they were right: Among the 37,698 men and 83,644 women who were tracked, as meat consumption increased, so did mortality risk.

In separate analyses of processed and unprocessed meats, the group found that both types appear to hasten death. Pan said that at the outset, he and his colleagues had thought it likely that only processed meat posed a health danger.

Carol Koprowski, a professor of preventive medicine at USC's Keck School of Medicine who wasn't involved in the research, cautioned that it can be hard to draw specific conclusions from a study like this because there can be a lot of error in the way diet information is recorded in food frequency questionnaires, which ask subjects to remember past meals in sometimes grueling detail.

But Pan said the bottom line was that there was no amount of red meat that's good for you.

"If you want to eat red meat, eat the unprocessed products, and reduce it to two or three servings a week," he said. "That would have a huge impact on public health."

A majority of people in the study reported that they ate an average of at least one serving of meat per day.

Pan said that he eats one or two servings of red meat per week, and that he doesn't eat bacon or other processed meats.

Cancer researcher Lawrence H. Kushi of the Kaiser Permanente Division of Research in Oakland said that groups putting together dietary guidelines were likely to pay attention to the findings in the study.

"There's a pretty strong supposition that eating red meat is important — that it should be part of a healthful diet," said Kushi, who was not involved in the study. "These data basically demonstrate that the less you eat, the better."

UC San Francisco researcher and vegetarian diet advocate Dr. Dean Ornish said he gleaned a hopeful message from the study.

"Something as simple as a meatless Monday can help," he said. "Even small changes can make a difference."

Additionally, Ornish said, "What's good for you is also good for the planet."

In an editorial that accompanied the study, Ornish wrote that a plant-based diet could help cut annual healthcare costs from chronic diseases in the U.S., which exceed $1 trillion. Shrinking the livestock industry could also reduce greenhouse gas emissions and halt the destruction of forests to create pastures, he wrote.

Every part of that article sounds like nonsense to me. espeacially that reduction in greenhouse gas bullsh*t.

LOL , personally , if I had to pay a tax every time I passed gas I would eventually starve to death.

Anyway , red meat can be a perfectly healthy part of the human diet if you are getting balanced nutrition , either through eating the right foods or taking vitamins and dietary supplements. I eat a steak once a week and bacon every day. I have no problems. If its a heart attack your worried about , take a 1000 milligram deoderized garlic supplement or drink Pamergranite juice. Or both , can't hurt it will ony help. Having a few Beers or a glass of Red Wine with your steak is a real good idea as well. And eat your organic vegatables.
 
All meat is bad for me, but who am I to tell anyone else what to do?

That is why it should be up to an individual to know what is good or bad for them--not government. When government steps in, people lose their senses and blindly think government has their best interests at hand.

What works for me may not work for you. But the doctors and Big pHARMa has everyone on a conveyor belt--one-size-fits-all. That is not in anyone's best interest!
 
I have not read all 13 pages lol, but I go with what seems to work in my own house. We eat meat every single day in our supper meals. A lot of red meat, chicken, some fish (i detest fish so opt out on those nights lol), etc. We do eat a higher carb amount than we probably should - all of us being lovers of white bread and pasta and rice - ooopsy. However, I have two children in school (one in grade 9, one in grade 4) and I can count the number of times they have been home sick from school on two hands (total, for both of them added together). They get perfect attendance (no days missed) or good attendance (1 to 3 days missed) every year, and are rarely sick needing antibiotics or something.

In 17 years of work, I have only taken maybe 5 sick days and only one of them was due to a stomach flu. the others were due to a particularly horrible encounter with a kidney stone (2005, 3 days off). I can't remember if there is another day or not, but I'll throw in one to make it 5 just in case. My bf has only taken a few days off work in the past decade for being sick and even then, it was always for something like right now - he got three teeth pulled on Thurs and took Friday off for pain. So it wasn't for being 'sick'. He has come home early for headaches, and had a work injury that knocked him on his butt for a month (burned in a fire), and he had an infection in his finger once that required IV antibiotics but he still went to work. And that's it.

My brother eats meat like crazy and often uses a high protein 'diet', and cannot remember the last time he missed work either. He and I have high blood pressure but it seems to be a family affair. Both parents had it young and so do we. I know vegans with high blood pressure, so I can't really blame the meat just by correlation. I am not the healthiest person around, but I can look back on my track record at work and my children's school attendance records and see that we just don't seem to get that sick. If we do, it's 24 hours of hell and then back to normal.

It reminds me of years of people being told how bad eggs were, and how we should not eat the yolks. I gave up on that idea a long long time ago because it's a whole food and I can crack it open and it doesnt have preservatives - I can choose who I buy my eggs from to know what the chickens eat (lots of places around here invite people to stop in and have a look for themselves). And in recent times, the news on eggs has come back as 'whoops. it turns out the cholesterol is different than what we thought and it's actually good for you instead of bad'. Gee surprise surprise!

Or milk/butter. For years we were told that butter was bad, whole milk was bad - drink skim! eat margarine! And then suddenly margarine and it's transfats became the devil. And there are ads on tv about drinking WHOLE milk or at least 2% because the fats in it can be beneficial to the brain and other body functions. Gee surprise! A whole food item that was previously bad is now good again. Who would'a thought?

And now red meat is on the chopping block again. I only buy my ground beef from one place because i used to work there and saw how they processed it and it is soooooooo yummy and doesnt have the scary fillers. Just meat. Yummy meat. It costs a little bit more, but it's so worth it. I spend a crazy amount of money on groceries each month to fit meat into every meal, but i remember a month ago when i miscounted and did not have enough ground beef for spaghetti --- everyone was totally bummed out to only have sauce and cheese on their noodles. It was like they thought they might die without meat for one day lol. That's how we roll in my house.

My dad had high BP and ate lots of meat and gristle and everything else, but was warned so he went off salt completely (we did not eat much processed stuff in those days, so could easily control the salt intake), he used pepper instead. He cut all the fat off our meat and drained it all nice and pretty several times during cooking, etc. he did that for over a decade and was unhappy because he missed his meat. And then he died of a heart attack at age 49 anyway. He ate like a good student for over 10 years and still had a blocked artery appear --- I honestly wish that if he was going to pass away anyway, that he could have eaten all his beloved foods. He made his own sausage and meat cuts for years but then stopped in order to comply with doc's orders. And it didn't help. So we are eating what seems to work for our family, making as much from scratch as we can (like spag sauce, etc) to watch for salt but whatever we have been doing seems to have worked so far.
 
"or two slices of bacon, was linked to a 20% higher risk of death during the study."

I thought pork was the "other white meat!"

I've been eating lots of bacon for that reason for the last 30 years!!!
I had kielbossa for breakfast today and bacon in my scrambled eggs .
 
I am A negative , the only food cravings I have had , probably since I was thirty are meat & fatty meat .
 
Every part of that article sounds like nonsense to me. espeacially that reduction in greenhouse gas bullsh*t.

LOL , personally , if I had to pay a tax every time I passed gas I would eventually starve to death.

Anyway , red meat can be a perfectly healthy part of the human diet if you are getting balanced nutrition , either through eating the right foods or taking vitamins and dietary supplements. I eat a steak once a week and bacon every day. I have no problems. If its a heart attack your worried about , take a 1000 milligram deoderized garlic supplement or drink Pamergranite juice. Or both , can't hurt it will ony help. Having a few Beers or a glass of Red Wine with your steak is a real good idea as well. And eat your organic vegatables.

Taking a garlic supplement is bad idea. Garlic can overheat your liver and cause blood flow problems. Doctors just recommend it because it also thins your blood. Doctors think that anything that thins your blood is good. This is not true.

Drinking alcohol will also not help your heart. I don't know where your getting these health tips from.
 
Taking a garlic supplement is bad idea. Garlic can overheat your liver and cause blood flow problems. Doctors just recommend it because it also thins your blood. Doctors think that anything that thins your blood is good. This is not true.

Drinking alcohol will also not help your heart. I don't know where your getting these health tips from.

According to the University of Maryland Medical Center, whole garlic (not pill supplement) is perfectly fine.
The University of Maryland Medical Center recommends 2 to 4 cloves of raw garlic per day when used as a health supplement.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/350625-recommended-dose-of-raw-garlic-in-the-diet/
 
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According to the University of Maryland Medical Center, whole garlic (not pill supplement) is perfectly fine. http://www.livestrong.com/article/350625-recommended-dose-of-raw-garlic-in-the-diet/

They are not experts in chinese traditional medicine. They have no clue what herbs do for you. Garlic is not good for most people. Even if it was good for you, you can't just randomly take herbs. If you don't take herbs in the right combination for the right condition, you can cause serious problems for yourself.

The acupuncturist/herbologist I went to used to make fun of the people who would take garlic pills and other herbs that are bad for you. We had a good laugh over it.

Additionally, herbs are there to correct problems. You take them until a problem is corrected, then you stop taking them. You don't take a little bit every day for the rest of your life. Doctors have no clue about herbs. They think you can randomly take herbs everyday because they are good for you. It doesn't work that way. Herbs are there to correct problems. They need to be taken for the right condition in the right combination. You just don't randomly take herbs because they are good for you.
 
Government science= oxymoron. There is a study for every policy in the works, one precedes the other. Science says so, and God says so - two weaponized phrases from opposing camps that are designed to silence the other.

Who can argue with God when his name is used for political purposes. Who can argue with science when the science is settled. Both are used vainly for tremendous evil.

This study is much like the WMD propaganda, simply a pretext for unpopular policies coming soon. The war on food, the next sphere of lost liberty.
 
They are not experts in chinese traditional medicine. They have no clue what herbs do for you. Garlic is not good for most people. Even if it was good for you, you can't just randomly take herbs. If you don't take herbs in the right combination for the right condition, you can cause serious problems for yourself.

The acupuncturist/herbologist I went to used to make fun of the people who would take garlic pills and other herbs that are bad for you. We had a good laugh over it.

Additionally, herbs are there to correct problems. You take them until a problem is corrected, then you stop taking them. You don't take a little bit every day for the rest of your life. Doctors have no clue about herbs. They think you can randomly take herbs everyday because they are good for you. It doesn't work that way. Herbs are there to correct problems. They need to be taken for the right condition in the right combination. You just don't randomly take herbs because they are good for you.

Well, I am sure there are naturopathic physicians who know exactly what they are doing. I agree that many "medical doctors" may not have as much experience with herbal medications as Chinese naturopaths; however, many societies cook with large amounts of garlic without detrimental issues other than bad breath and foul gas... actually, that could result in some serious health issues lol. I do agree with you about the garlic pills though since they are concentrated and not whole garlic. Check this out: http://quanta-gaia.org/reviews/books/powerOfGarlic.html It seems that even Chinese naturopathic providers use garlic as a treatment.
 
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Well, I am sure there are naturopathic physicians who know exactly what they are doing. I agree that many "medical doctors" may not have as much experience with herbal medications as Chinese naturopaths; however, many societies cook with large amounts of garlic without detrimental issues other than bad breath and foul gas... actually, that could result in some serious health issues lol. I do agree with you about the garlic pills though since they are concentrated and not whole garlic. Check this out: http://quanta-gaia.org/reviews/books/powerOfGarlic.html

Thats another point about those pills. The guy I went to said he would only get his herbs from chinese providers because they came from a communist country. He said the possibility of a death penalty prevents makers of herbs from putting junk in the pills. He said the herbs that came from capitalist countries, you have no clue whats in them. Lot of time they'll put a lot of fillers in them.

Additionally, if you are getting these garlic pills from the GNC, who knows how they process it. The pills you take may be far different from taking natural organic garlic.

As far as cooking with garlic is concerned, there is some garlic in chinese food, however there are far more vegetables in chinese food which can offset the effects of garlic. So there's not a big impact from garlic in chinese food.

However, the acupuncturist/herbologist I went to explained to me that he did get a lot of patients who had health problems from garlic and other hot herbs. Many americans have significant health problems because they eat lots of food that creates heat. Stuff like garlic, onions, peppers, red meat, butter, dairy .... all create heat.
 
Thats another point about those pills. The guy I went to said he would only get his herbs from chinese providers because they came from a communist country. He said the possibility of a death penalty prevents makers of herbs from putting junk in the pills. He said the herbs that came from capitalist countries, you have no clue whats in them. Lot of time they'll put a lot of fillers in them.

Additionally, if you are getting these garlic pills from the GNC, who knows how they process it. The pills you take may be far different from taking natural organic garlic.

As far as cooking with garlic is concerned, there is some garlic in Chinese food, however there are far more vegetables in Chinese food which can offset the effects of garlic. So there's not a big impact from garlic in Chinese food.

However, the acupuncturist/herbologist I went to explained to me that he did get a lot of patients who had health problems from garlic and other hot herbs. Many Americans have significant health problems because they eat lots of food that creates heat. Stuff like garlic, onions, peppers, red meat, butter, dairy .... all create heat.

I agree. Hot foods do place a lot of stress on the digestive system. ... and some people wonder why they get severe heartburn, indigestion, acid reflux, bloating, and other gastrointestinal issues. I normally don't like too much heat either.
 
I agree. Hot foods do place a lot of stress on the digestive system. ... and some people wonder why they get severe heartburn, indigestion, acid reflux, bloating, and other gastrointestinal issues. I normally don't like too much heat either.

Too much heat can really mess up your whole body. It can screw up your liver, dry up your blood, mess up your kidneys. It can really beat the hell out of your body.

You can have the opposite problem and be too cool if you eat nothing but green vegetables. But usually being too cool won't destroy your body as much as being too hot.
 
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