Alex Jones to Debate Piers Morgan LIVE! 1/7/12 9PM ET (video added)

[Occam's Banana]

Interesting post made on another board I frequent:

That was very good. +rep. Pass it on to the other guy, if you can.

Love him or hate him, Alex Jones sure didn’t fail to grab attention tonight on Piers Morgan’s CNN show. The subject, Gun Control.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Piers Morgan intended to have Alex Jones on as a paper tiger guest–thinking, “Hey, I’ll have this crazy conspiracy nut on and paint all of the 2nd amendment supporters to be just like this guy!” Normally, I would take this position and complain about Alex’s appearance. However, in the current, namby pamby political landscape, perhaps it’s about time we hear some red blooded defense of the Republic. ‘Merica!

What do you think?

I have no doubt whatsoever that they were hoping for a "spectacle" they could use to try to make pro-gun supporters look bad.

Well, they certainly got one! But I suspect it may backfire on them.

They see themselves as the molders & shapers of "public opinion" and no doubt they think Jones has given them an excellent opportunity to do just that.

The problem is, there is a Law of Diminishing Returns for this kind of thing. There are just too many gun owners who are not "raving nutters" for their attempted "frame-up" to come off.

Citing Jones' comportment is not likely to convince many who aren't already anti-gun (or leaning heavily that way). [This is the diminished return.]

Jones' counter-attack, however, is quite likely to invigorate & inspire those who are already pro-gun (or leaning heavily that way). [This is the backfire.]

That leaves the undecided middle - and I see nothing here to make me think they'll flock en masse to either side of the issue because of this.

The gun-grabbers may try to make hay out of this, but in order to do so, they'll have to promote Alex Jones and his "We're not gonna take it!" message.

And that will do a LOT more to fire up the pro-gun forces than it will do for the gun-grabbers - no matter how much they mock & sneer.

In fact, the more mocking & sneering they do, the bigger the hole they're apt to dig for themselves.

What I am most interested in seeing is how fast & furiously the "squishier" gun-rights folks (like those at the NRA) might try to distance themselves from Jones' message.

 

[QuickZ06]

They really set the stage there at the beginning with the interviewing of victims families from the theater shooting in Colorado. The propaganda and spin is insane and millions do not even realize it.

 

[Tod]

These gun-grabbers are like rust. Every minute they are attacking your freedom (the steel) as surely as oxygen molecules are trying to grab up those iron molecules. It is incessant, with no quarter given.

 

[presence]

They really set the stage there at the beginning with the interviewing of victims families from the theater shooting in Colorado. The propaganda and spin is insane and millions do not even realize it.

Nobody is going to be watchin' tubes of that part in 6 months; AJ's flaming 1776 rant will still be going 'round.

 

[Tod]

I got an e-mail from RevPac this evening encouraging me to tell congress that if they cave on the 2nd Amendment I won't vote for them. It came across as very wimpy to me.

 

[TomtheTinker]

Im nt the biggest aj fan in the world.. to much of a blowhard for my taste.

But he does more good that bad...he sticks to his guns(literally and figuratively)-he says what we wish we had the balls to. He may go a little to hard...most people aren't going hard enough.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

counter-
I sent it to a couple hundred people on my list, and all replies thus far are in the awesome category.
i guess it depends on how fragile their vagina is before watching someone peform Molon Labe on national television.

Lmao. Members on this site? The majority of mainstream America has no context to put AJ in. They will use this to further portray honest, pro 2nd Amendment citizens, as looney toons who feel that 9/11 was orchestrated by the government. The truth is not the issue. The issue is people joining our cause. Alex Jones is poison to that cause. Whether he be cointel or not. He knew damn well what he was doing. There was no need to stray from logical points of SSRI's and gun statistics of Austrailia and Switzerland to WTC7 being brought down by explosives and boxing matches. Oh, and by the way, the people I showed this video to was my mom and other close family. They were utterly disgusted with Jones's rant/s. (having no context of the man and his personality, mind you) But like you say, their vagina must just be fragile. What was that about Alex Jones being taken to a wood shed? Maybe you should watch it before dropping to your knees at the alter of a man who portrays 'us' all as racist crackpots. (Again the truth is not the issue at hand.. especially when I have to take time distancing myself from the sensationalist every other goddamn time liberty is mentioned) The only reason this incidence is in the least bit funny is that I believe we are far too gone. But for the record, fuck Alex Jones. And his often times incoherent assortment of facts/sensationalist propaganda. Minus the facts, for anyone who isn't liberty predisposed. (as in, what they regard his type of entertainment as)

 

[AuH20]

 

[Tod]

That was very good. +rep. Pass it on to the other guy, if you can.



I have no doubt whatsoever that they were hoping for a "spectacle" they could use to try to make pro-gun supporters look bad.

Well, they certainly got one! But I suspect it may backfire on them.

They see themselves as the molders & shapers of "public opinion" and no doubt they think Jones has given them an excellent opportunity to do just that.

The problem is, there is a Law of Diminishing Returns for this kind of thing. There are just too many gun owners who are not "raving nutters" for their attempted "frame-up" to come off.

Citing Jones' comportment is not likely to convince many who aren't already anti-gun (or leaning heavily that way). [This is the diminished return.]

Jones' counter-attack, however, is quite likely to invigorate & inspire those who are already pro-gun (or leaning heavily that way). [This is the backfire.]

That leaves the undecided middle - and I see nothing here to make me think they'll flock en masse to either side of the issue because of this.

The gun-grabbers may try to make hay out of this, but in order to do so, they'll have to promote Alex Jones and his "We're not gonna take it!" message.

And that will do a LOT more to fire up the pro-gun forces than it will do for the gun-grabbers - no matter how much they mock & sneer.

In fact, the more mocking & sneering they do, the bigger the hole they're apt to dig for themselves.

What I am most interested in seeing is how fast & furiously the "squishier" gun-rights folks (like those at the NRA) might try to distance themselves from Jones' message.

Those in the middle, who don't feel passionately one way or the other, are guaranteed to say that it is only reasonable that we should place SOME restrictions (such as a limit on magazine size) because they think it sounds "moderate" and "reasonable", a middle-of-the-road approach.

 

[torchbearer]

Lmao. Members on this site? The majority of mainstream America has no context to put AJ in. They will use this to further portray honest, pro 2nd Amendment citizens, as looney toons who feel that 9/11 was orchestrated by the government. The truth is not the issue. The issue is people joining our cause. Alex Jones is poison to that cause. Whether he be cointel or not. He knew damn well what he was doing. There was no need to stray from logical points of SSRI's and gun statistics of Austrailia and Switzerland to WTC7 being brought down by explosives and boxing matches. Oh, and by the way, the people I showed this video to was my mom and other close family. They were utterly disgusted with Jones's rant/s. (having no context of the man and his personality, mind you) But like you say, their vagina must just be fragile. What was that about Alex Jones being taken to a wood shed? Maybe you should watch it before dropping to your knees at the alter of a man who portrays 'us' all as racist crackpots. (Again the truth is not the issue at hand.. especially when I have to take time distancing myself from the sensationalist every other goddamn time liberty is mentioned) The only reason this incidence is in the least bit funny is that I believe we are far too gone. But for the record, fuck Alex Jones. And his often times incoherent assortment of facts/sensationalist propaganda. Minus the facts, for anyone who isn't liberty predisposed. (as in, what they regard his type of entertainment as)

my list consist of family and friends in louisiana.
not libertarians.
not people on this site.
republican voters in the state of louisiana, thus far, are saying- fuck yeah- to AJ.

perhaps you have a soft vagina too.

 

[TheTexan]

Everyone hand wringing about how Jones came off as too aggro conveniently forgets the we just tried being reasonable, and we got a big handful of shit for it. It's high time we got in some faces. There IS no reasoning with these people. It doesn't matter how cogent your arguments are, or how reasonable you try to be. They do not CARE. They are True Believers, and nothing is going to sway them.

Is Alex Jones a kook? Pretty much. He believes some weird stuff, but that doesn't hurt anybody. He DOES have the proper distrust of authority that makes him uniquely American, and the courage to say what's on his mind. Thomas Jefferson noted that such a mentality was so important to preserving the nation, that it was worth having to occasionally put down a rebellion in order to preserve. And we sit here and badmouth a guy with the right attitude and wonder why we're getting pwned.

When are folks on our side going to realize that the leftists fight like alley cats, with every dirty trick they can find: they hold nothing back, and if you corner them, they will always have "Because fuck you!" as a holdout. Our conceding them that advantage has steadily eroded our position over the years, to the point that we're on the verge of slipping into communism. They are perfectly comfortable with anger and emotion, but somehow they have deballed us to the point that we think their clearly superior tactics are somehow losing strategies. Damn it, when you're dealing with people who find "Because fuck you!" is a valid argument, you use it back or you get curb stomped just like we were in the election.

The enemy determines the rules of engagement. Any other plan is a handicap that leads to loss after loss. As long as the right acts like a bunch of pussies, decrying and denouncing those on our side who are fed up and let it be known, we're going to keep losing.

The left doesn't HAVE any rules, except the ones they want us to follow. Whatever sins you might lay at Jones's feet, he clearly knows this ain't a debating club, it's a damned fight. We need to realize that, too.

I owe you more than a few reps.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

DailyKOS said "this makes it apparent there will be hundreds of WACOS if we try to take their guns, and that is dangerous, blah blah blah"

The best part, was now they are starting to get scared of actually enforcing a ban.
As they should be.
At least jones brought the bluster.

But everyone knows that were a ban actually to happen, there would be 0 Wacos.
The police state has everybody pinned down as an individual vs. the state.

Really??? Says who. They don't give a motherfuck about Alex Jones with regards to proposing the ban. All he did was just further solidify the opposition's assertment that certain people shouldn't have guns. It would have happened anyways so I really don't particularly care. I just find it somewhat annoying how some people with a podium portray the (movement).

 

[FrankRep]

Piers Morgan has a Gun Control Agenda so Reason and Common Sense will not work on him.

You will save yourself many headaches by realizing that.

 

[AuH20]

Really??? Says who. They don't give a motherfuck about Alex Jones with regards to proposing the ban. All he did was just further solidify the oppositions assertment that certain people shouldn't have guns. It would have happened anyways so I really don't particularly care. I just find it somewhat annoying how some people with a podium portray the (movement).

True, but how many don't really have their mind made up already??? A very small percentage. The battle lines have been drawn.

 

[TheTexan]

Really??? Says who. They don't give a motherfuck about Alex Jones with regards to proposing the ban. All he did was just further solidify the oppositions assertment that certain people shouldn't have guns. It would have happened anyways so I really don't particularly care. I just find it somewhat annoying how some people with a podium portray the (movement).

Rewatch that first half. You take his opening rant there in the first half, and tell me that AJ wasn't 100% in the right. All the way up to and including 1776.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

my list consist of family and friends in louisiana.
not libertarians.
not people on this site.
republican voters in the state of louisiana, thus far, are saying- fuck yeah- to AJ.

perhaps you have a soft vagina too.

Haha. Fuck you. Simply put, AJ is a cancerous wart on the asshole of America. He turns off more people than he brings in. Type in 'Alex Jones' on youtube and let me know what the blank tries to fill in. Is it 'Alex Jones is crazy,' or 'Alex Jones goes crazy?' A little bit of homework since I really don't remember. I remember it wasn't good. No need to get butthurt that your (probable) idol is most likely controlled opposition. Ever seen him get taken to a wood shed? Or were you too busy watching him berate legitimate callers who were just unaware of certain specifics. Oh, and again, fuck you.

 

[Ranger29860]

The ONLY part I thought may have been handled better was the accent part. I see why he did it and I understand his reasoning but I feel that might have been a bit much.

Everything else was spot on and more truth on television than I have seen in awhile. Peirs had no clue what hit him and kept trying to go back on script and Alex would not allow it.

 

[TheTexan]

Haha. Fuck you. Simply put, AJ is a cancerous wart on the asshole of America. He turns off more people than he brings in. Type in 'Alex Jones' on youtube and let me know what the blank tries to fill in. Is it 'Alex Jones is crazy,' or 'Alex Jones goes crazy?'

Newsflash, most of America thinks YOU are crazy.

Don't get me wrong, AJ is a crazy bastard. For sure. My point is they think we are ALL crazy.

 

[AuH20]

The CNN producer was crying from Alex Jones ad libbing?????? Is that true?

 

[torchbearer]

Haha. Fuck you. Simply put, AJ is a cancerous wart on the asshole of America. He turns off more people than he brings in. Type in 'Alex Jones' on youtube and let me know what the blank tries to fill in. Is it 'Alex Jones is crazy,' or 'Alex Jones goes crazy?' A little bit of homework since I really don't remember. I remember it wasn't good. No need to get butthurt that your (probable) idol is most likely controlled opposition. Ever seen him get taken to a wood shed? Or were you too busy watching him berate legitimate callers who were just unaware of certain specifics. Oh, and again, fuck you.

at least, you are getting into the spirit.
but just to inform the completely misinform.... i'm not the one who wants to infringe on your natural rights.
so yeah, get pissed...
but i'm not the one wanting to aggress against you.