Alex Jones: "I'm sold on Ted Cruz"

[Warlord]

Not really. Dean Heller definitely isn't a neocon. Connie Mack and Tom Graves were pretty good too. It is a PAC than helps friends of the Bush family, but it's not necessarily ideologically neoconservative in its endorsements. I believe that PAC shows some preference to candidates of ethnic minority origin.

Heller is a tool as are Graves and Mack. They all support war and massive spending by the Federal government.

Heller:

Voted NO on removing US armed forces from Afghanistan. (Mar 2011)
-10 years of WAR not enough for Dean

Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq. (Jun 2008)
Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
- 5 years of WAR not enough for Dean

Strengthen sanctions on Syria & assist democratic transition. (Apr 2008)
-Wants to change the regime in Syria just like McCain/Graham/Corker/Menendez and put in islamic nutjobs

Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

I'm sure if I look at Mack/Graves it will be similarly bad.

 

[ProvincialPeasant]

Anyone who has followed Cruz knows that he is friendly and close with almost everyone in the conservative movement, regardless of their faction. His skill is that he unites all the factions, and all factions feel like they're on his side (except, obviously, the purerthanthou libertarian types).

 

[jkob]

Ted Cruz has been a fine ally and has given me no reason to distrust him, I could only wish Jeff Flake was the same.

 

[Brett85]

Anyone who has followed Cruz knows that he is friendly and close with almost everyone in the conservative movement, regardless of their faction. His skill is that he unites all the factions, and all factions feel like they're on his side (except, obviously, the purerthanthou libertarian types).

I think the jury is still out on him. He'll be pretty good domestically, but I'm not sure how excited we should all get about him if he supports preemptive war with Iran and has significant differences with us on foreign policy issues. I'll say that he's our 3rd best Senator and a strong ally on domestic issues, but I'm not going to give him my full fledged praise and full fledged support when his foreign policy still seems to be somewhat hawkish. Foreign policy is important to me.

 

[ProvincialPeasant]

I think the jury is still out on him. He'll be pretty good domestically, but I'm not sure how excited we should all get about him if he supports preemptive war with Iran and has significant differences with us on foreign policy issues. I'll say that he's our 3rd best Senator and a strong ally on domestic issues, but I'm not going to give him my full fledged praise and full fledged support when his foreign policy still seems to be somewhat hawkish. Foreign policy is important to me.

He has never said anything interventionist. He just sounds like a mainline conservative on foreign policy (i.e. peace through strength), which rattles a lot of libertarians who want a liberal Democrat's rhetoric on foreign policy.

 

[Brett85]

He has never said anything interventionist. He just sounds like a mainline conservative on foreign policy (i.e. peace through strength), which rattles a lot of libertarians who want a liberal Democrat's rhetoric on foreign policy.

Do we really want someone who's a "mainline conservative" on foreign policy issues? Mainline conservatism over the past 12 years has been preemptive war and intervention overseas. If he's a "traditional conservative" on foreign policy issues like Robert Taft I would like that, but I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.

 

[Warlord]

He has never said anything interventionist. He just sounds like a mainline conservative on foreign policy (i.e. peace through strength), which rattles a lot of libertarians who want a liberal Democrat's rhetoric on foreign policy.

He said Hagel is "less of a fan of the military" and that therefore is politically a bad thing.

That's going way too far.

He's not had an opportunity to vote on war or intervention yet. Let's see if he supports arming the Syrian rebels.

But bear in mind he's pretty clever and will likely follow/copy Rand on many issues.

He's a Harvard lawyer and politically ambitious. He's not some liberty guy.

 

[ProvincialPeasant]

Do we really want someone who's a "mainline conservative" on foreign policy issues? Mainline conservatism over the past 12 years has been preemptive war and intervention overseas. If he's a "traditional conservative" on foreign policy issues like Robert Taft I would like that, but I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.

See, that's the main problem with forum-libertarians. What sounds like mainline conservatism, must therefore be. Do you think a guy who has railed against the Patriot Act and the NDAA is a neocon? Do you think a guy who, from the beginning, has associated himself with Lee and Rand is a neocon? Do you think a guy who has greater constitutionalist pedigree than Rand is a neocon? Please.

 

[Warlord]

See, that's the main problem with forum-libertarians. What sounds like mainline conservatism, must therefore be. Do you think a guy who has railed against the Patriot Act and the NDAA is a neocon? Do you think a guy who, from the beginning, has associated himself with Lee and Rand is a neocon? Do you think a guy who has greater constitutionalist pedigree than Rand is a neocon? Please.

Cruz has been in the senate 5 minutes! And I bet if he was in the senate 10 years ago he would have supported it all and cheered on Bush.

You're really funny and easily duped.

Well we're not.

Better pedigree than Rand?!?!!? HAHAHAA.A

 

[ProvincialPeasant]

lol

 

[Brett85]

See, that's the main problem with forum-libertarians. What sounds like mainline conservatism, must therefore be. Do you think a guy who has railed against the Patriot Act and the NDAA is a neocon? Do you think a guy who, from the beginning, has associated himself with Lee and Rand is a neocon? Do you think a guy who has greater constitutionalist pedigree than Rand is a neocon? Please.

1) I've never heard him give his position on the Patriot Act.
2) Yes, you can oppose the Patriot Act and NDAA and be a neocon. The Patriot Act and NDAA are not foreign policy issues. But, I never said that Cruz is a neocon, just that he's not anywhere close to where we are on foreign policy issues.

 

[Warlord]

MaverickPAC is stuffed full of NEOCONS and founded by Ted and Heidi bankster Cruz.

Explain that one...

 

[whippoorwill]

I like Cruz. If he dosen't become a turn coat we've got a solid man on our team. If he runs and wins we could capture the Latino vote for 15 years minium.

 

[compromise]

Heller is a tool as are Graves and Mack. They all support war and massive spending by the Federal government.

Heller:

Voted NO on removing US armed forces from Afghanistan. (Mar 2011)
-10 years of WAR not enough for Dean

Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq. (Jun 2008)
Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
- 5 years of WAR not enough for Dean

Strengthen sanctions on Syria & assist democratic transition. (Apr 2008)
-Wants to change the regime in Syria just like McCain/Graham/Corker/Menendez and put in islamic nutjobs

Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

I'm sure if I look at Mack/Graves it will be similarly bad.

I didn't say Heller wasn't a liberal Republican. He is. He's just more Jon Huntsman than John McCain. He voted for Rand's resolution to de-authorize Iraq, which Lee voted against. In your view, is Lee a neocon?

Mack and Graves voted against Libya and are definitely fiscal conservatives, particularly Mack (he opposed the Ryan plan). They sided with us on various civil liberties issues.

 

[compromise]

1) I've never heard him give his position on the Patriot Act.
2) Yes, you can oppose the Patriot Act and NDAA and be a neocon. The Patriot Act and NDAA are not foreign policy issues. But, I never said that Cruz is a neocon, just that he's not anywhere close to where we are on foreign policy issues.

Please read up the definition of neoconservative. This term is thrown around way too much on libertarian forums, often to refer to anyone who disagrees with Ron on foreign policy.

No neoconservative opposes the Patriot Act and NDAA. This is getting a little stupid now. To neoconservatives, the United States is a battlefield and therefore they support any means possible to combat terrorists there just as they would in Afghanistan.

 

[Brett85]

Please read up the definition of neoconservative. This term is thrown around way too much on libertarian forums, often to refer to anyone who disagrees with Ron on foreign policy.

No neoconservative opposes the Patriot Act and NDAA. This is getting a little stupid now. To neoconservatives, the United States is a battlefield and therefore they support any means possible to combat terrorists there just as they would in Afghanistan.

No, a neoconservative is someone who believes that the United States has an obligation to spread "liberty" and democracy around the world. Neo conservatism has nothing to do with domestic issues like the NDAA and Patriot Act. Pat Buchanan is a supporter of the Patriot Act who is also a paleoconservative who doesn't support American intervention overseas. Issues like the Patriot Act and intervention overseas are completely separate issues.

 

[Brett85]

Also, I never referred to Cruz as a neo-conservative. I agree that that term is over used, and I rarely use it.

 

[supermario21]

Dean Heller went from neocon to Huntsman Republican when Sheldon Adelson barely kept him afloat against some socialist woman named Shelley Berkley or whatever her name was this past year. He's joined that fraudulent group "No Labels" as well. We can't afford to kick people off the team when we barely have 1 of 5 or 6 people in both chambers combined. Cruz has been really good as well as Tim Scott. They've both jumped ahead of Flake in my eye who used to be the House's number 2 libertarian behind Ron. People said Scott wasn't any good but he's been right up there with Rand, Lee, and Cruz. I look at Cruz with caution, just like I do every other liberty politician.

 

[compromise]

No, a neoconservative is someone who believes that the United States has an obligation to spread "liberty" and democracy around the world. Neo conservatism has nothing to do with domestic issues like the NDAA and Patriot Act. Pat Buchanan is a supporter of the Patriot Act who is also a paleoconservative who doesn't support American intervention overseas. Issues like the Patriot Act and intervention overseas are completely separate issues.

I didn't say that everyone who supports the erosion of civil liberties is a neoconservative - there may well be mainline conservatives, paleoconservatives, beltway libertarians, liberals and progressives that do too. I said all neoconservatives support the erosion of civil liberties. Have you seen any "neoconservatives against the Patriot Act" groups?

Since Ted Cruz has made no public statement about his position on humanitarian war (e.g. Libya) that would be spreading democracy, why do you guys assume immediately that he's a neoconservative? Why not just give him the benefit of the doubt?

 

[TruckinMike]

Anyone who has followed Cruz knows that he is friendly and close with almost everyone in the conservative movement, regardless of their faction. His skill is that he unites all the factions, and all factions feel like they're on his side (except, obviously, the purerthanthou libertarian types).

Yep. Ted Cruz is doing to us what Rand Paul is doing to the neocons. And Alex Jones is playing the same game accept with the other radio hosts.

Friends with all. The question is --> When will the betrayals begin?