Albanian Muslims to be given Staten Island?

[jmdrake]

Well, that would be more likely if a Democrat became governor - but after all, Republicans are socialists (i.e,. they are communists driving the speed limit), so ... sure, what the hell, why not? (File under: "Ask a stupid question ...")

Anyway, I neither said nor implied anything at all in the post you quoted about anyone in particular being anything in particular (or about what the consequences of any of that might be, or whether any of those consequences would be a good or bad thing). I merely offered a generalized counter (using the Russian Bolsheviks as a particular example) to the previously made claim that "numbers matter with take over analysis". Nothing more, nothing less, and nothing else.

So please go find someone else's mouth to put words into.

I don't think you even understand what the term means. Obviously you don't.

Edit: I think I should expound since you are accusing me of putting words in your mouth. The thread OP is about a large number of Albanian Muslims moving in to Staten Island. That doesn't have anything directly to do with the Bolshevik Revolution. And the Bolshevik Revolution wasn't run by new immigrants to Russia.

(See: https://www.historytools.org/storie...d-they-rise-to-power-a-historians-perspective)

There is the common trope, I've seen it all to often here, that "We have to stop immigration because the immigrants are going to all vote Democrat and that's going to make the country go communist." Maybe you don't subscribe to that viewpoint, but you did bring up communism in a thread about immigration. If you don't subscribe to what is basically "replacement theory" then great! That probably puts you in a minority here. Regardless, this position is self defeating. Minorities who WANT to be republican feel ostracized by white Republicans who keep pushing the idea that "We must stop even legal immigration" because "the democrats will win most of those voters." If I was Indian, after seeing what Ann Coulter said to Vivek there's no way in hell I would be Republican. As it stands there's no way in hell I'll be Republican anyway especially after the "eating the cats eating the dogs" lie. (And no I am NOT saying you pushed that so don't say I'm putting words in your mouth). Trump today accidental admitting that he is a felon for failing to report child sex abuse is another reason because I know most of the GOP will still line up behind him. (He said that Epstein "stole" underage workers from Mar-a-lago and he told him not to do that again but Epstein did it again so he "threw him out." Under Florida law it's a class E felony to know about child sex abuse and not reporting it. Telling someone "Don't do it again" is not good enough.)

 

[TheCount]

Please, another moment of silence for TheCount to mock the Lenape, some of whom had the ludicrous idea that their native land was being ceded to foreigners from across the sea.

Curse those Albanians for taking the land of the Lenape.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I don't think you even understand what the term means. Obviously you don't.

Given that I have no idea what "term" you are referring to, I guess I don't.

 

[jmdrake]

Given that I have no idea what "term" you are referring to, I guess I don't.

The term "putting words in my mouth." I didn't put words in your mouth. If you think I did then you don't understand the term. But I explained that further in my earlier reply that I just edited. Have a good night!

 

[nikcers]

I don't think you even understand what the term means. Obviously you don't.

Edit: I think I should expound since you are accusing me of putting words in your mouth. The thread OP is about a large number of Albanian Muslims moving in to Staten Island. That doesn't have anything directly to do with the Bolshevik Revolution. And the Bolshevik Revolution wasn't run by new immigrants to Russia.

(See: https://www.historytools.org/storie...d-they-rise-to-power-a-historians-perspective)

There is the common trope, I've seen it all to often here, that "We have to stop immigration because the immigrants are going to all vote Democrat and that's going to make the country go communist." Maybe you don't subscribe to that viewpoint, but you did bring up communism in a thread about immigration. If you don't subscribe to what is basically "replacement theory" then great! That probably puts you in a minority here. Regardless, this position is self defeating. Minorities who WANT to be republican feel ostracized by white Republicans who keep pushing the idea that "We must stop even legal immigration" because "the democrats will win most of those voters." If I was Indian, after seeing what Ann Coulter said to Vivek there's no way in hell I would be Republican. As it stands there's no way in hell I'll be Republican anyway especially after the "eating the cats eating the dogs" lie. (And no I am NOT saying you pushed that so don't say I'm putting words in your mouth). Trump today accidental admitting that he is a felon for failing to report child sex abuse is another reason because I know most of the GOP will still line up behind him. (He said that Epstein "stole" underage workers from Mar-a-lago and he told him not to do that again but Epstein did it again so he "threw him out." Under Florida law it's a class E felony to know about child sex abuse and not reporting it. Telling someone "Don't do it again" is not good enough.)

Population displacement and replacement is no longer a theory.

Its not a theory if you have a state with 20 million people and 40 million people invade over the border illegally into the state and drive 50% of the original population from that state its no longer the same state.

Its no longer the same state because its no longer the same people.

And yes it does fuck up our elections. It does cause states to vote Democrat and it gives democrats a monopoly on local government which makes life hell for people.

You never want one party to rule and not have competition.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Curse those Albanians for taking the land of the Lenape.

Obviously, the Lenape deserved it for being racist xenophobes. Or for being suicidally bleeding heart. Either way, they deserved it, and got it good.

 

[jmdrake]

Obviously, the Lenape deserved it for being racist xenophobes. Or for being suicidally bleeding heart. Either way, they deserved it, and got it good.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Right. Because it means bringing in more of "their people." If it was an H1B visa program for (white) South Africans it would be okay.

Who said that?

And the abuse of both the intent and letter of the H1-B law has primarily been about bringing over Indians, although other groups have also used the H1B system. I have know (white) South Africans who came here on tech H1-Bs, but the number was so small that it would be not be considered abuse or violation of the law. And certainly not in numbers that resulted in (white) South African majorities.

...I'm simply making the point that YOU singled out politicians based on their RACE and that Vivek happens to be in the same grouping racially.

The exception that proves the rule. By far, Indian politicians are Democrats, socialists and communists. Vivek is more libertarian, which wouldn't really qualify him one of those true, dastardly "GOP" people.


As for the OP, it is about Rep. Malliotakis pandering to a new Albanian American Relations Council, which sounds suspiciously like many other foreign special interest lobby groups, and the history of the neoconservative war under Bill Clinton to deliver Kosovo to Albanian Muslims who had immigrated to Kosovo (and then started engaging in terrorist activities).

 

[jmdrake]

Who said that?

Nobody said that. But the silence about (or applauding of) Trump attempting to bring between 67,000 and 4 million white South Africans to America on this forum is defeaning.

And the abuse of both the intent and letter of the H1-B law has primarily been about bringing over Indians, although other groups have also used the H1B system. I have know (white) South Africans who came here on tech H1-Bs, but the number was so small that it would be not be considered abuse or violation of the law. And certainly not in numbers that resulted in (white) South African majorities.



The exception that proves the rule. By far, Indian politicians are Democrats, socialists and communists. Vivek is more libertarian, which wouldn't really qualify him one of those true, dastardly "GOP" people.

That's 100% the fault of racists and racist apologists within the GOP. Hell, Trump was HAPPY to see REPUBLICAN Haitian Mia Love lose to a DEMOCRAT after she had the "nerve" to criticize him over his "shythole country" remark.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

That's 100% the fault of racists and racist apologists within the GOP. Hell, Trump was HAPPY to see REPUBLICAN Haitian Mia Love lose to a DEMOCRAT after she had the "nerve" to criticize him over his "shythole country" remark.

Sure, everything is the fault of racists on the internet. The MSM tells us about it everyday.

India has more of a history with communism than the US. And that was combined with a caste system. The Democrat Party are almost amateurs in comparison. Indian politicians are very well versed in socialist dogma and propaganda for the untouchable masses, while they are the superior leaders.

Indian politicians are a natural fit for the US Democrat Party. Some are actually working to move the Democrats further in that direction for the most part. And the fact that Democrats pander to to immigrants at every opportunity doesn't hurt.

Everyone is an individual, and Vivek is more unique in his embrace of libertarianism, but that does not mean a generalization can not be made.

And like any other group, after being here for a while, some of them will finally realize the hypocrisy, manipulation, corruption and destructive policy of the Democrats who lied to them. Too bad there is no other party they could join in opposition.

And finally, RIP Mia Love. Very sad what happened to her.

 

[jmdrake]

Sure, everything is the fault of racists on the internet. The MSM tells us about it everyday.

Not everything. Just this. Racists are the main reason that otherwise conservative minorities don't join the GOP. Gay marriage was initially banned in California largely because of a coalition of Latino Catholic and Middle Eastern Muslim voters and black conservative Christians voted for it despite those groups being seen as solid democrats.

https://repository.upenn.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/1680d75d-81ec-4fcc-bb92-70b108405a14/content

Also, do you think that the Haitians who MIGHT have looked at the Republican party based on the example of Mia Love are more or less likely to consider voting Republican after the way Trump treated her and then later lied about their community, along with JD Vance, pushing the false narrative that they were "eating the cats" and "eating the dogs?"

India has more of a history with communism than the US. And that was combined with a caste system. The Democrat Party are almost amateurs in comparison. Indian politicians are very well versed in socialist dogma and propaganda for the untouchable masses, while they are the superior leaders.

The OP article wasn't about India. But any excuse will do right? Vivek Rameswamy has shown no leaning towards communism that I am aware of. On the other hand Trump campaigned for Hillary Clinton. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Indian politicians are a natural fit for the US Democrat Party. Some are actually working to move the Democrats further in that direction for the most part. And the fact that Democrats pander to to immigrants at every opportunity doesn't hurt.

At this point just simply not wanting to be deported to a foreign prison without due process after coming to the U.S. legally is considered "pandering?" Wanting the same immigration standards for black Haitians as for white South Africans is "pandering?" Not wanting to be lied about as a community by the future president and vice president of the United States is "pandering?" You've got a strange definition of pandering.

Everyone is an individual, and Vivek is more unique in his embrace of libertarianism, but that does not mean a generalization can not be made.

And like any other group, after being here for a while, some of them will finally realize the hypocrisy, manipulation, corruption and destructive policy of the Democrats who lied to them. Too bad there is no other party they could join in opposition.

And finally, RIP Mia Love. Very sad what happened to her.

I guess Trump should have done more "pandering" to Mia Love? What you call "pandering" most people simply call decency and respect.

 

[Occam's Banana]

The term "putting words in my mouth." I didn't put words in your mouth. If you think I did then you don't understand the term.

You contrived a bizarre non sequitur that had nothing to do with anything I actually said (or even suggested), and then addressed it to me in the form of a question, as if I was somehow accountable for justifying or defensively explaining the ridiculous thing you made up. That is indeed a form of putting words in my mouth. (You're a lawyer, so there's no way you don't understand this - unless you're just not very good at your job.)

But I explained that further in my earlier reply that I just edited. Have a good night!

Your explanation is just a description of all the contrivance you had to go through to get to the bizarre non sequitur you tried to attribute to me.

 

[jmdrake]

You contrived a bizarre non sequitur that had nothing to do with anything I actually said (or even suggested), and then addressed it to me in the form of a question, as if I was somehow accountable for justifying or defensively explaining the ridiculous thing you made up. That is indeed a form of putting words in my mouth. (You're a lawyer, so there's no way you don't understand this - unless you're just not very good at your job.)

What is non sequitur about it? In a thread about minority immigrant politicians being elected you brought up the Bolsheviks. Maybe you don't know what the term "non sequitur" means either.

Here's the definition:

non sequitur /nŏn sĕk′wĭ-tər, -too͝r″/

noun​

1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence.
2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.
3. Any abrupt and inexplicable transition or occurrence.

The Bolsheviks were not immigrants or part of an ethnic minority. But whatever makes you feel better about your faux pais. Rather than doing the intellectual heavy lifting of explaining why you threw in the Bolshevik revolution in a thread that has nothing to do with them, you decide to go with the ad hominem. Fine. Whatever. But there's no actual connection. @Brian4Liberty made the "India is more communist than America" argument without any evidence to back that up. India is currently run by the BJP which is a right wing Hindu nationalist political party. In fact Donald Trump has spoken quite highly of India's current prime minister. I'm challenging the notion, which has been brought up on this forum multiple times, that immigration from black/brown countries is some communist conspiracy. The communists could just as easily encourage immigration from white Eastern European countries. Of course in a generation or so they would assimilate into regular white America. Apartheid era South Africa, just like Nazi Germany, was a sort of ethno-national socialism. Yet nobody in the anti immigrant crowd here have objected to that and some have actually encouraged it. Ethno-national socialism is still socialism. So if the goal of immigration policy was to avoid bringing in socialists there should be more concern about white South African immigration than Indian or Ethno Albanian immigration. But there isn't.

 

[Occam's Banana]

What is non sequitur about it? In a thread about minority immigrant politicians being elected you brought up the Bolsheviks. [...]

The Bolsheviks were not immigrants or part of an ethnic minority. [...]

Now you are just being willfully obtuse. You know perfectly well that no matter what the topic of a thread OP might be, any variety of subjects can and often do arise over the course of a thread's discussions.

Someone had claimed that "numbers matters with take over analysis". My simple counterpoint to that simple claim referenced the Bolsheviks as one of the most infamous and well-known historical examples of a minority "taking over", despite its relatively much lower numbers. They could have been traveling vacuum-cleaner salesmen instead, for all the difference it would have made to my point.

Your attempt to construct out of that mere illustrative example the absurd notion of a Vivek Ramaswamy governorship of Ohio representing some kind of "Bolshevik revolution" - and then interrogating me with it as if I were somehow responsible for explaining away the ridiculous thing you had just concocted - is an excellent example of someone contriving a non sequitur and then putting accountability for it into someone else's mouth.

 

[TheCount]

Obviously, the Lenape deserved it for being racist xenophobes. Or for being suicidally bleeding heart. Either way, they deserved it, and got it good.

We should give back the land that the Albanians stole from the Lenape.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Now you are just being willfully obtuse. You know perfectly well that no matter what the topic of a thread OP might be, any variety of subjects can and often do arise over the course of a thread's discussions.

Someone had claimed that "numbers matters with take over analysis". My simple counterpoint to that simple claim referenced the Bolsheviks as one of the most infamous and well-known historical examples of a minority "taking over", despite its relatively much lower numbers. They could have been traveling vacuum-cleaner salesmen instead, for all the difference it would have made to my point.

Your attempt to construct out of that mere illustrative example the absurd notion of a Vivek Ramaswamy governorship of Ohio representing some kind of "Bolshevik revolution" - and then interrogating me with it as if I were somehow responsible for explaining away the ridiculous thing you had just concocted - is an excellent example of someone contriving a non sequitur and then putting accountability for it into some else's mouth.

Readers Digest condensed summary: sophistry.

 

[jmdrake]

//

Now you are just being willfully obtuse. You know perfectly well that no matter what the topic of a thread OP might be, any variety of subjects can and often do arise over the course of a thread's discussions.

No. I'm not the one being obtuse. You brought up communism in a thread about immigration which was only at that point and I asked you an OBVIOUS question that was connected to it. I didn't put in words in your mouth. There is no HONEST way you can claim I did.

Someone had claimed that "numbers matters with take over analysis". My simple counterpoint to that simple claim referenced the Bolsheviks as one of the most infamous and well-known historical examples of a minority "taking over", despite its relatively much lower numbers. They could have been traveling vacuum-cleaner salesmen instead, for all the difference it would have made to my point.

Your attempt to construct out of that mere illustrative example the absurd notion of a Vivek Ramaswamy governorship of Ohio representing some kind of "Bolshevik revolution" - and then interrogating me with it as if I were somehow responsible for explaining away the ridiculous thing you had just concocted - is an excellent example of someone contriving a non sequitur and then putting accountability for it into some else's mouth.

And yet @Brian4Liberty specifically came back with his "people from India are more likely to be communist" retort which 100% undermines your argument, then he tries to cover with a "Readers Digest condensed summary: sophistry." comment. Here's another saying. "Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining." Or another cliche'. "If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it." You could have brought up the fact that the American Revolution was fought by a minority of people as well. You chose to go with a negative example. And the comparison doesn't hold when it comes to immigration anyway because there are different immigrant groups coming to America that don't all share the same agenda. Indian Hindus have a completely different perspective than Pakistani Muslims and are unlikely to have common cause on anything except conservative family values and supporting H1B visas.

And even if YOU aren't looking at this from a racial angle, other's are. (Again, Brian's unsubstantiated comment about Indians and communism). Anyhow, I've made my point. The obsession of race when it comes to immigration is toxic to this movement even if you don't have that position yourself. In a movement that pushes "individualism" on the surface there is an undercurrent of collectivism right beneath it.

At the beginning of this movement people worried about the 9/11 truthers driving folks away. I personally never ran into that. I remember at one meetup, our meetup leader Cheryl worrying about that and I privately told her I was a truther. (That must be how a gay person feels coming out of the closet). She was taken about, then just said "Well I just have a heard time believing our government would do that." That's fine.

I do know the race issue has driven people away. Around he same time there was a very enthusiastic mixed race couple (white man, black woman) that were initially at all the meetups. I remember them because the husband was a Ruby On Rails developer and we had talked about putting our head together to build a social media about to reward people for activism. Well one day a discussion came up about what to do regarding the racist newsletters. They hadn't even HEARD about that. That was the last time I saw them. I know some here reject the idea that "diversity is strength" and @CaptUSA bought into the BS from Thomas Sowell that somehow Japan is better by being a homogeneous society. (Japan is dying on the vine with young men not even wanting to get married). I think Capt means well. I think YOU and Brian mean well. I think Thomas Sowell is "so smart he's stupid." A black man in a majority white country asking for homogeneity? Why hasn't he moved to Ghana then? This forum is much less diverse than it used to be. I remember when there were a few feminists who openly posted and at least one transgender. At times I wasn't the only black person posting. It could be the homogeneity has simply come from attrition but I don't think it's made this movement stronger by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[CaptUSA]

I think Capt means well.

Dude, what are you bringing me into? I'm not going to read through this thread to find out where it went off the rails. Let me just say that you're misunderstanding Sowell if you think he's "asking for homogeneity".

 

[jmdrake]

Dude, what are you bringing me into? I'm not going to read through this thread to find out where it went off the rails. Let me just say that you're misunderstanding Sowell if you think he's "asking for homogeneity".

If Thomas Sowell thinks homogeneity makes a better society he should deport himself to an all back country for the good of both the U.S. and himself. Am I understating him correctly to say he thinks homogeneity makes a better society?

 

[CaptUSA]

If Thomas Sowell thinks homogeneity makes a better society he should deport himself to an all back country for the good of both the U.S. and himself. Am I understating him correctly to say he thinks homogeneity makes a better society?

No. You are not understanding him correctly.