Alan Keyes lawsuit on Obama birth

[Lord Xar]

No doubt.. Anyone that thinks Keyes jumped on this "Prove your birth, Obama" wagon ride, just to be an uber patriot, is niave. This lawsuit, on Keyes' behalf, WREAKS of ulterior motives.

I've come to be a strong Ron Paul supporter, but I also support Obama.. This lawsuit is ridiculous.. If there were any credible truth to this issue, do you really think Obama would have made it this far? Wouldn't that be a national security risk? Don't you think the FBI, or the CIA, or the NSA would've been all over it, behind the scenes? These guys would be in so much trouble if they let this guy slip through their fingers, all the way to the presidency.

Common sense, people.. This is conspiracy theory at it's worst.

Read here for the extensive, rational debunking on this issue:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Like I have said before, let this get before a legitimate court and have the truth be told/heard. Where is the harm in that? If you are asking for the abandonment of this lawsuit, then one can conclude you have ulterior motives. Also, why does it matter that Keyes has motives -- truth is truth is truth. If his motives are fullfilled, yet the truth is revealed, I don't care - neither should you.

Also, with a whopping one post and saying "I am a strong supporter of Ron Paul, and I also support Obama" is so disengenuous. That is like saying, I support clean living but I also support cancer. You can't support one without abhoring the other, imho.

 

[Truth Warrior]

No doubt.. Anyone that thinks Keyes jumped on this "Prove your birth, Obama" wagon ride, just to be an uber patriot, is niave. This lawsuit, on Keyes' behalf, WREAKS of ulterior motives.

I've come to be a strong Ron Paul supporter, but I also support Obama.. This lawsuit is ridiculous.. If there were any credible truth to this issue, do you really think Obama would have made it this far? Wouldn't that be a national security risk? Don't you think the FBI, or the CIA, or the NSA would've been all over it, behind the scenes? These guys would be in so much trouble if they let this guy slip through their fingers, all the way to the presidency.

Common sense, people.. This is conspiracy theory at it's worst.

Read here for the extensive, rational debunking on this issue:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Ron Paul AND Obama, who's being naive?

 

[Gangularis]

Like I have said before, let this get before a legitimate court and have the truth be told/heard. Where is the harm in that? If you are asking for the abandonment of this lawsuit, then one can conclude you have ulterior motives. Also, why does it matter that Keyes has motives -- truth is truth is truth. If his motives are fullfilled, yet the truth is revealed, I don't care - neither should you.

Also, with a whopping one post and saying "I am a strong supporter of Ron Paul, and I also support Obama" is so disengenuous. That is like saying, I support clean living but I also support cancer. You can't support one without abhoring the other, imho.

I didn't ask for the abandonment.. Just stated how obviously silly and futile it is.

Ron Paul AND Obama, who's being naive?

You are. You do realize there's a good segment of Obama supporters that overlap into being Ron Paul supporters, right? Do you know the reasons for why I support either candidate? Nope.. you don't, now do you? Your statement based on ignorance illustrates your naivity. I don't agree with either candidate on all the issues. I like Ron Paul's fiscal approach, and his desire that we stop policing the world. I think he's a very sensible, and intelligent guy. That said, I think he would go too far in gutting government out of everything. I like Obama's approach to foreign policy. I like that he's given the U.S. a virtual clean slate with regards to our standing on the world stage. I like that he's a person that is capable of listening to more than one point of view. I like that he is a self made man, as is his wife, and they really do understand the perspective of the every day man. I like that he truly cares, and I would love it if he was able to abolish lobbyism.. although if he did succeed in that arena, he'd probably get killed.

 

[Cinderella]

I like Obama's approach to foreign policy. I like that he's given the U.S. a virtual clean slate with regards to our standing on the world stage. I like that he's a person that is capable of listening to more than one point of view.

Oh, u mean u support this foreign poilicy?

obamas Foreign Policy


- SUPPORTS an aggressive, interventionist foreign policy

- SUPPORTS the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war on sovereign nations

- DOES NOT SUPPORT scaling down the enormous expenditure of policing and occupying the world by closing any one of the 700 bases we have in over 140 countries worldwide

- WILL EXPAND the war in Iraq into Afghanistan, Pakistan and Syria

- WILL EXPAND U.N.

- WILL pay lip service to our continued support of Israel, while not mentioning the fact that we give 3 times as much monetary aid to its enemies

- HAS NOT MENTIONED the idea of not sending any monetary aid to other countries while the People of America suffer the consequences of a $1 trillion deficit and a $10 trillion + debt

- TOOK AN OFFENSIVE STANCE TOWARDS RUSSIA, while supporting Georgia, the true aggressors in the Russian/Georgian conflict.. and of course neither has talked about just staying out of the situation all together

- HAS NOT taken anything, including a preemptive nuclear strike, off the table when dealing with Iran

- DOES NOT SUPPORT the humble, non-interventionist foreign policy that our Founding Fathers prescribed

 

[StateofTrance]

He's another closet fag who faps on Jesus.

 

[Gangularis]

Oh, u mean u support this foreign poilicy?

obamas Foreign Policy


- SUPPORTS an aggressive, interventionist foreign policy

- SUPPORTS the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war on sovereign nations

- DOES NOT SUPPORT scaling down the enormous expenditure of policing and occupying the world by closing any one of the 700 bases we have in over 140 countries worldwide

- WILL EXPAND the war in Iraq into Afghanistan, Pakistan and Syria

- WILL EXPAND U.N.

- WILL pay lip service to our continued support of Israel, while not mentioning the fact that we give 3 times as much monetary aid to its enemies

- HAS NOT MENTIONED the idea of not sending any monetary aid to other countries while the People of America suffer the consequences of a $1 trillion deficit and a $10 trillion + debt

- TOOK AN OFFENSIVE STANCE TOWARDS RUSSIA, while supporting Georgia, the true aggressors in the Russian/Georgian conflict.. and of course neither has talked about just staying out of the situation all together

- HAS NOT taken anything, including a preemptive nuclear strike, off the table when dealing with Iran

- DOES NOT SUPPORT the humble, non-interventionist foreign policy that our Founding Fathers prescribed

It's aggressive intervention when you try to engage both sides of a situation in talks? Most of those things you quote are things he did on the campaign trail to come off as tough, and leaderish.. I honestly cannot see Obama premptively attacking a nation. The day that happens is the day he loses the support of a majority of his followers..The majority of this nation want to see Bin Laden captured and destroyed, hence Obama, as a representative of the majority of people, will do what it takes to get him.

When has he ever talked about expanding a war into syria? And how could he "expand the UN" ?? The UN may have it's issues, but it's a necessary institution in the globalized world we live in, today.. I know that's debatable.. but that's how I feel about it.

The "true aggressors" in the Russian/Georgian conflict is in question. You really think Putin is a swell guy, above doing something like that, and making the first move?

He supports closing guantinamo bay.. You don't think he will close other military outposts littering the world?



Why can't you just be happy with the fact that I support them both, for various reasons? I support your guy, too.. Why do you have to sit here and blast my guy? You're not changing my mind about him, and I still think this little lawsuit is ridiculous, and based entirely in conspiracy skepticism. The election is over.. get over it, already..

 

[Cinderella]

Why can't you just be happy with the fact that I support them both, for various reasons? I support your guy, too.. Why do you have to sit here and blast my guy? You're not changing my mind about him, and I still think this little lawsuit is ridiculous, and based entirely in conspiracy skepticism...

ur a fool...how can u support ron paul and obama when they are polar opposites?????? u make no sense and u have clearly came out of the troll closet....


- OBAMA SUPPORTS THE PATRIOT ACT

- OBAMA SUPPORTS the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act

- HE WILL increase Federal spending

- HE SUPPORTS the expansion of our borders 100 miles inland effectively creating a "Constitution Free Zone" that encompasses 2/3 of all Americans

- HE DOES NOT PLAN to abolish any one of the unconstitutional or redundant departments of the Federal government

- OBAMA SUPPORTS the militarization of our police

- OBAMA SUPPORTS the construction of hundreds of FEMA controlled detention camps across the US

- OBAMA DOES NOT PLAN on reinstating the Constitutional principle of property rights as a way of combating pollution

- OBAMA SUPPORTS amnesty for illegal immigrants

- OBAMA SUPPORTS the North American Union

- OBAMA SUPPORTS NAFTA, CAFTA and the WTO as opposed to truly free trade

- HE DOES NOT SUPPORT the 10th Amendment of our Bill of Rights by continuing the many unconstitutional programs and laws that do not fall under the authority of the Federal government

- OBAMA DOES NOT SUPPORT a healthcare or education system controlled by the People as opposed to government bureaucracies and corporations

- OBAMA DOES NOT SUPPORT states' rights in regard to drugs, education, abortion or marriage

- DOES NOT SUPPORT an un-infringed 2nd amendment

so clearly u DO NOT support "my guy"....

 

[Gangularis]

ur a fool...how can u support ron paul and obama when they are polar opposites?????? u make no sense and u have clearly came out of the troll closet....


- OBAMA SUPPORTS THE PATRIOT ACT

- OBAMA SUPPORTS the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act

- HE WILL increase Federal spending

- HE SUPPORTS the expansion of our borders 100 miles inland effectively creating a "Constitution Free Zone" that encompasses 2/3 of all Americans

- HE DOES NOT PLAN to abolish any one of the unconstitutional or redundant departments of the Federal government

- OBAMA SUPPORTS the militarization of our police

- OBAMA SUPPORTS the construction of hundreds of FEMA controlled detention camps across the US

- OBAMA DOES NOT PLAN on reinstating the Constitutional principle of property rights as a way of combating pollution

- OBAMA SUPPORTS amnesty for illegal immigrants

- OBAMA SUPPORTS the North American Union

- OBAMA SUPPORTS NAFTA, CAFTA and the WTO as opposed to truly free trade

- HE DOES NOT SUPPORT the 10th Amendment of our Bill of Rights by continuing the many unconstitutional programs and laws that do not fall under the authority of the Federal government

- OBAMA DOES NOT SUPPORT a healthcare or education system controlled by the People as opposed to government bureaucracies and corporations

- OBAMA DOES NOT SUPPORT states' rights in regard to drugs, education, abortion or marriage

- DOES NOT SUPPORT an un-infringed 2nd amendment

so clearly u DO NOT support "my guy"....

yeah.. being called a fool by someone that uses "ur" instead of "you're".. is a real insult. How long before you get your first car, anyway?

I'm not going to go point by point down your list of unsubstantiated talking points.. it's a waste of my time.. but I will say, the fact that you think Obama supports the North American Union, and you think he wants to "militarize our police" says wonders about what you're willing to believe. Also, your argument is greatly flawed in it's premise that if Obama supports things that ron paul does not, that diqualifies me from supporting things about Ron Paul that I do like.

It's fine. Thanks for letting me see how all inclusive Ron Paul supporters are.. With supporters like you, who needs support from outsiders on the other side of the aisle.. Surely you guys will get him elected next time around by being jerks to people with different points of view. Way to win hearts and minds, and establish common ground.

Peace..

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

Yeah, when I was a kiddo, I sign waved for Keyes a couple of times. I've become quite a bit more libertarian since them, but I still think he makes a lot of sense on certain issues.

I think he's a sincere person, who really believes what he says is right, and argues for it to the best of his ability, without trying to slime his way into popularity. This puts him in a rare and high category of politician right there, in my book. You know, one who stands for something, and has actual principles they are supporting.

Exactly. Even though I don't agree with Nader, and even less so Kucinich, they're worthy of respect IMO for walking the path that each says he walks. None of this get-inside-the-beltway-and-join-the-fraternity BS.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

It's fine. Thanks for letting me see how all inclusive Ron Paul supporters are.. With supporters like you, who needs support from outsiders on the other side of the aisle.. Surely you guys will get him elected next time around by being jerks to people with different points of view. Way to win hearts and minds, and establish common ground.

Peace..

Cinderalla just dropped a turd and it's stinking up the statist air


Even with the bad grammar and "texting-typos" from Cinderalla, Obama's record is what it is. I hope that you do not base your perceptions and/or convinctions of Ron Paul's message on the ambush of some disagreeing individuals in an internet forum. The real-world consequences of Obama's policies will further destroy the prosperity of humankind, wealthy and poor alike. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is not moral. But, in all fairness, Republicans and Democrats alike from the last several decades are all guilty of said crimes.

 

[Cinderella]

i do alot of txt messaging as evidenced by my typing here....well hes a troll...i wont be feeding any trolls....its obvious hes only here to start trouble