Alabama Republicans Seek To Purge Young Conservative Over Marriage Views

[Christian Liberty]

My position is government shouldn't be involved, and if that can't happen it should be left to each state. Personally, I don't want state recognized (emphasis added to make clear that I don't advocate laws preventing them from doing what they want) gay marriages in my state, but it should be up to each state.

Like originalist, I find both extremes annoying. I'd never decide my vote based on this issue, heck I probably wouldn't even vote on a "Define marriage as being between a man and a woman" vote because to do so is implicitly giving government the right to have a stance on the issue.

 

[FreedomFighter1776]

It IS the civil rights issue of our time. The State has no authority to determine that contracts between consenting adults for a purpose that is not illegal should be unlawful.
Yes, get govt. out of marriage. Don't let them 'define' it. Gay marriage is not illegal but for the legislation that qualifies it as unlawful. Allowing them to 'define' marriage exceeds their authority; your neighbors don't get to restrict your ability to contract as you see fit.

Period. End of story.

Attempting to legislate morality is insane.

(EDIT) By the way, the State HAS to recognize the contract, just like they HAVE to recognize the validity of EVERY OTHER CONTRACT.

 

[eduardo89]

The youth view gay marriage as the civil rights fight of their time.

Just goes to show how successful the homosexual lobby has been at pushing their agenda over the past few decades.

 

[fr33]

Just goes to show how successful the homosexual lobby has been at pushing their agenda over the past few decades.

LOL it's such a minor lobby. Compare it to the Israeli and weapons manufacturer lobbies.

If we're supposed to pander to the neocon war machine like Rand is doing, why not pander to something that will be efficient among a demographic that could benefit them in elections? Oh I forgot. The GOP is full of bigots that hate muslims and gays. Silly me.

 

[mad cow]

Gen X here. My mother and FIL were both born in '40, but they are definitely Boomers in attitude.

http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/generational-archetypes.html



(Over at TBP a few weeks back, someone in the comments was talking about how the Boomers are guilty of generational genocide of the Xers. I never thought about abortion that way before, but it's really true.)

Who do you think has had more abortions,either per capita or gross numbers,boomers or X'ers?

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Just goes to show how successful the homosexual lobby has been at pushing their agenda over the past few decades.

I can already see the beginnings of the Neocons supporting gay marriage to appear "pro-freedom." It's interesting that the people most outspokenly advocating for SSM are usually the ones who want business-killing regulations, gun control, and shooting Arabs.

The lobby is very successful, they've managed to turn what should be a minor personal liberty issue into worst violation of Civil Rights since Jim Crow.

 

[torchbearer]

more republicans will be switching over to the LP.

 

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

Gotta fight these motherfuckers in the GOP. We can't give up.

 

[Athan]

What happened to the idea that the federal government shouldn't be involved in marriage, period? Did that kind of go out the window, or what exactly?

I will say this, THAT is why the more religious members are losing control of their religious ceremonies to gay rights proponents. Because they made it the relm of the state and not the church. Look at how the Catholic Church can still refuse to ordaine female pastors to this day. It is their dogma practice.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Hey, but if you hold the view of bombing the shit out of Independent countries... Com'on board... you're next on the list for promotion.

That GOP Extinction drawing fits the Party of Ancient on the way to the party of none.

 

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

The GOP's approach to gay marriage is a born loser. The youth view gay marriage as the civil rights fight of their time.

By the time you convince the GOP to take up the "get government out of marriage" banner (which might be never), gay marriage will already be an institution and the youth will feel that you are trying to undo what they accomplished.

Its not a civil rights issue. If young people think this is more important than NSA spying, Repealing the PATRIOT ACT, Ending the War on Drugs or ensuring the protection of the Bill of Rights; then Civil Rights has lost all meaning. If its all about guaranteeing state sponsored rights, as well as benefits and special rhetoric for minority groups then the notion of civil rights has been a farce.

 

[Keith and stuff]

So the man that ran the same sex marriage table at the National Young Republican Federation Convention in Alabama is now the Young Republican Federation of New Hampshire National Committeeman. He is in a relationship with a man. Oh, and is a libertarian Liberty, it's catching on

 

[fr33]

Its not a civil rights issue. If young people think this is more important than NSA spying, Repealing the PATRIOT ACT, Ending the War on Drugs or ensuring the protection of the Bill of Rights; then Civil Rights has lost all meaning. If its all about guaranteeing state sponsored rights, as well as benefits and special rhetoric for minority groups then the notion of civil rights has been a farce.

Well shake your fist and scream while they get gay marriage regardless. The other issues you mention are far more important which is why it's pointless to run people off because of gay marriage. They'll be less likely to help you on the NSA etc. It's a civil rights issue because the government is treating relationships unequally.

 

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

Well shake your fist and scream while they get gay marriage regardless. The other issues you mention are far more important which is why it's pointless to run people off because of gay marriage. They'll be less likely to help you on the NSA etc. It's a civil rights issue because the government is treating relationships unequally.

I'm not saying gay marriage is bad, i'm saying it a distraction issue that is for political theatre. And most of these people don't care anything else. If they were, why not set up charities to help reform Arabia? The federal government is not treating them unequally, they simply recognize (or used to) that states have the right to define marriage as they see fit. They don't give gay couples tax benefits. That is bad, but now that they are paying the same rates (some even more like 9000 dollars more) they are not any more free. This debate especially from pro-gay advocates is a classic example of good political planning and silencing those who speak differently. it is now suicide to even say Mom and dad is better than two of one. The gay lobby is a lot more influential than it used to be. And they perverse incentives, create american tribalism and is an example of how our nation has gone from E Pluribus Unum to Ubi est mea. I find it distasteful that it is now okay to sue businesses for not serving gay couples, while it is not okay to say anything against them without being decried. That is not to say bigger fish should be fried. I still focus on Israel and Foreign Policy as well as quasi socialist crony capitalism. (however i am happy that Royal Mail has been privatized. I find it embarassing that Britain has privatize their national mail before we did.) Gay Marriage is not a defining issue that improved life or shook boundaries. It is merely a cooked job of media and opportunistic politicians who want to court more votes. Then they promise new initiatives and special representation. Whites, Blacks, Rich/Poor, and Men and Women have all fallen into this trap.
Marriage is a personal thing, it depends on the man and woman (or parties involved.) It should be a private contract that can be upheld. With this, people get to define what a marriage is. This Third way enhances freedom, Gets rid of extra government power and satisfies all parties. It does not undo progress, it leaps it.

 

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

So the man that ran the same sex marriage table at the National Young Republican Federation Convention in Alabama is now the Young Republican Federation of New Hampshire National Committeeman. He is in a relationship with a man. Oh, and is a libertarian Liberty, it's catching on

Is he a CATO who is obsessed with social "equality" or does he let "bigots" like me talk?

 

[Keith and stuff]

Is he a CATO who is obsessed with social "equality" or does he let "bigots" like me talk?

I don't know if he has the ability to censor people. He is a libertarian Republican dedicated to advancing liberty but just like Rand Paul, he is willing to work with anymore, if he thinks it advances liberty. It is likely hard identifying as a gay Republican in some circles, but not where I live. I've only met him a 1/2 dozen times and cannot really answer your loaded question that well I know his group was subjected to a bunch of BS by the National Young Republican Federation at the National Convention. He didn't complain to me

BTW, same sex government marriage might be a distraction to you, but to young Americans, at least in the Northeast, it is 1 of the most important issues in the world. It's important to keep in mind what issues are important to the voters when playing politics.

 

[fr33]

I'm not saying gay marriage is bad, i'm saying it a distraction issue that is for political theatre. And most of these people don't care anything else. If they were, why not set up charities to help reform Arabia? The federal government is not treating them unequally, they simply recognize (or used to) that states have the right to define marriage as they see fit. They don't give gay couples tax benefits. That is bad, but now that they are paying the same rates (some even more like 9000 dollars more) they are not any more free. This debate especially from pro-gay advocates is a classic example of good political planning and silencing those who speak differently. it is now suicide to even say Mom and dad is better than two of one. The gay lobby is a lot more influential than it used to be. And they perverse incentives, create american tribalism and is an example of how our nation has gone from E Pluribus Unum to Ubi est mea. I find it distasteful that it is now okay to sue businesses for not serving gay couples, while it is not okay to say anything against them without being decried. That is not to say bigger fish should be fried. I still focus on Israel and Foreign Policy as well as quasi socialist crony capitalism. (however i am happy that Royal Mail has been privatized. I find it embarassing that Britain has privatize their national mail before we did.) Gay Marriage is not a defining issue that improved life or shook boundaries. It is merely a cooked job of media and opportunistic politicians who want to court more votes. Then they promise new initiatives and special representation. Whites, Blacks, Rich/Poor, and Men and Women have all fallen into this trap.
Marriage is a personal thing, it depends on the man and woman (or parties involved.) It should be a private contract that can be upheld. With this, people get to define what a marriage is. This Third way enhances freedom, Gets rid of extra government power and satisfies all parties. It does not undo progress, it leaps it.

Making it a private contract is the best option IMO. But probably more than 80% of Republicans and 100% of Democrats want government involved in their version of marriage. It's just going to happen no matter what we want. That's why the story in the OP is an example of failure on the part of the GOP. Running young people off over what amounts to a personal religious principle in the eyes of most Republicans while they agree on most other things.

 

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

Making it a private contract is the best option IMO. But probably more than 80% of Republicans and 100% of Democrats want government involved in their version of marriage. It's just going to happen no matter what we want. That's why the story in the OP is an example of failure on the part of the GOP. Running young people off over what amounts to a personal religious principle in the eyes of most Republicans while they agree on most other things.

Why can't somebody here write pamphlet or a small essay on how to privatize marriage. I saw one book that was called the third way, i tried finding it but i can't.

 

[dannno]

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Who do you think has had more abortions,either per capita or gross numbers,boomers or X'ers?

That could really go both ways, I wasn't around for the boomers growing up in the 70s but I heard stories of busses full of teenage girls going to get abortions and whatnot, by the time gen x came around they had the birth control thing down better, more education and I imagine better birth control pills as well. Plus you actually had more parents ok with their daughters using contraception.