Ahmadinejad's recent remarks

[angelatc]

Wow, 2 Ahmadinejad threads on RPF within 2 days. You guys are getting really obsessed with Iran's Jesus-look-a-like puppet leader.

It's the neocons and the Jews that are obsessed with him. If we ignored him, and let him run his isolationist little theocracy into the ground, most of us would be perfectly happy.

Instead, we focus on him like he's our ex-girlfriend.

 

[ExPatPaki]

Has al-Jazeera put this up with their own translation to English?

I wouldn't even trust the Qatari-owned al-Jazeera with the translation.

 

[pcosmar]

I think they want either Israel or the United States to attack them, because they know how much damage it will do to both us and Israel if we get dragged into yet another war.

I don't think Iran wants anyone to attack them. They have been getting attacked for over 50 years.

I do think the Rothschild Empire does want war and are pushing it,,manipulating for it.
And it has nothing to do with anyone "winning".

 

[ExPatPaki]

It's the neocons and the Jews that are obsessed with him. If we ignored him, and let him run his isolationist little theocracy into the ground, most of us would be perfectly happy.

Haha, well I wouldn't say they are isolationist, they actually are quite interventionist, but they have to be in response to US interventionism. I do stand up for Iran on this forum, but I also have lots of problems with their government and how its run.

 

[jay_dub]

Maybe they (Iran) believe they can counter and survive an attack? Maybe they see an attack as inevitable and have been preparing.

It's strange, to me, that people believe so many things, yet really don't. Are there technologies far above what we see as consumers, such as free unlimited power (electricity, etc)? Did they bring down a drone with any technology we don't know of? Is the Iranian government working hand in hand with TPTB to stir up WWIII? There are conspiracy theories about all of this, yet, no one really believes it, or do they?

I think that the NWO is not really a global thing. It seems like the world is divided up along the lines of those nations with debt based economies vs everybody else. The thing is...the debt based countries are getting desperate and they have an awful lot of weaponry. Now, within that there is a lot of opportunistic maneuvering going on but, when push comes to shove, we will see the divide more clearly.

Right now the best indicator is the global debt clock.

All this is JMO.

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

 

[angelatc]

Haha, well I wouldn't say they are isolationist, they actually are quite interventionist, but they have to be in response to US interventionism. I do stand up for Iran on this forum, but I also have lots of problems with their government and how its run.

I don't think any of us here support the philosophical concept of theocracy, and Iran is certainly a prime example of why, but....

How are they interventionist??

 

[Demigod]

I don't think any of us here support the philosophical concept of theocracy, and Iran is certainly a prime example of why, but....

How are they interventionist??

They fight trough pawns like Hezbollah and the Shia militias in Iraq.Also their goal has for a long time been to take down the Saudis and their emir allies.The problem is that they are the USA allies so that is where the problems come from.

 

[musicmax]

His latest rhetoric regarding Israel is quite abhorrent.

It is if you believe the inaccurate reporting of it. Here, for example, is the AP article being reprinted in hundreds of newspapers:
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Iran: Israel's existence 'insult to all humanity'
Associated Press
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Israel's existence is an "insult to all humanity," Iran's president said Friday in one of his sharpest attacks yet against the Jewish state, as Israel openly debates whether to attack Iran over its nuclear program.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said confronting Israel is an effort to "protect the dignity of all human beings."

"The existence of the Zionist regime is an insult to all humanity," Ahmadinejad said.
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Note that AP conflates "the Zionist regime" with "Israel". "The Zionist regime" is a reference to the belief in current Israeli government that Israel has the right to expand beyond the 1967 borders.

AP's irresponsible reporting is like taking the Obama administration's line that "Assad needs to go" and reporting it as "Obama: 'Destroy Syria'".

With any reports on the Middle East, it's imperative that you pay attention to where the quote begins and ends, and that the reporter is using a reliable translation. This all started with the infamous - and extremely false - "face of the map" quote that was (a) misquoted (the Farsi word for 'map' is not in the actual words spoken); (b) reported without context (Ahmadinijad was quoting a previous leader, not making an original statement); (c) also a reference to the regime and not to the country itself.

 

[musicmax]

Has al-Jazeera put this up with their own translation to English? Or maybe the Irani gov't itself?

Actually the whole "face of the map" misquote started from a bad Iranian government translation.

There are still people who believe Khruschev said, "We will bury you".

But Sting is always right....

 

[ExPatPaki]

They fight trough pawns like Hezbollah and the Shia militias in Iraq.Also their goal has for a long time been to take down the Saudis and their emir allies.The problem is that they are the USA allies so that is where the problems come from.

What Demigod said. Iran also supports Shia groups all around the Islamic world; countries like Pakistan, Bahrain, Qatar etc. They support Palestinians groups as well. Saudi Arabia sees this as a threat to its interests around the Islamic world and they usually counter it by supporting terrorist groups which do suicide bombings, be-headings, etc. Analysts will say that Pakistan has been a central location for a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, although Saudi Arabia is the one which supports groups which use barbaric methods.

 

[ExPatPaki]

musicmax,

Do you know Farsi?

 

[angelatc]

They fight trough pawns like Hezbollah and the Shia militias in Iraq. Also their goal has for a long time been to take down the Saudis and their emir allies.The problem is that they are the USA allies so that is where the problems come from.

Really? I've never seen anything documented about Iran invading other nations. I thought the government was making all that up.

 

[James Madison]

Actually the whole "face of the map" misquote started from a bad Iranian government translation.

Of course, it is. "Wipe off the face of the map" is an idiom unique to the English language, meaning it wouldn't translate to Farsi (or anything for that matter). So right away, we know this translation is, at best, someone's interpretation of the original script.

 

[RickyJ]

I think they want either Israel or the United States to attack them, because they know how much damage it will do to both us and Israel if we get dragged into yet another war.

I don't think any nation wants to be wiped out, and they would be wiped out if we attacked them and they retaliated, which of course they would do. But we are attacking them right now indirectly through sanctions, cyber warfare, and more than likely funding of revolutionary groups in Iran. The economic sanctions are hurting the Iranian citizens with sky high inflation right now. This is uniting the Iranian people behind their government because they see and feel how unfair this is to them. Like Ron Paul says, if some nation did this to us we wouldn't like it one bit either. There is no question who started this new cold-war, Israel and the USA did. Iran would like to just rise up out of a third world status, they are not particularity looking for a fight from anybody or want to fight anybody.

This is something you should consider, if Iran is so hostile to Jews, then why is it that Iran has the largest Jewish population of any Muslim nation and that they actually prefer to live there over Israel?

The Israeli government has offered all Iranian Jews all expenses paid relocation to Israel, yet very few have taken them up on that offer.

 

[mac_hine]

Ahmadinejad Greeted by Anti-Zionist Jews in New York


On Monday Sep. 24, '07 in the Intercontinental Hotel, at 48th St. and Lexington Ave. New York City at 9:00am anti-Zionist Orthdox Rabbis met with Iranian President Ahmadinejad then participated in a counter demonstration against protestors of the Iranian President in the Dag Hamerskold Plaza at the United Nations followed by a counter demonstration during the speech of the Iranian president at Colombia University. http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/24516.html

25,000 Jews live in Iran. It's the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside of Israel. Iranian Jews are not persecuted or abused by the state, in fact, they are protected under Iran's constitution. They are free to practice their religion and to vote in elections. They are not stopped and searched at checkpoints, they are not brutalized by an occupying army, and they are not herded into a densely-populated penal colony (Gaza) where they are deprived of the basic means of survival. Iranian Jews live in dignity and enjoy the benefits of citizenship.

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is demonized in the western media. He is called an anti-Semite and the "new Hitler." But if those claims are true, then why did the majority of Iran's Jews vote for Ahmadinejad in recent presidential elections? Could it be that most of what we know about Ahmadinejad is just baseless rumor and propaganda? This excerpt appeared in an article by the BBC:

"(Ahmadinejad's) office recently donated money for Tehran's Jewish hospital. It is one of only four Jewish charity hospitals worldwide and is funded with money from the Jewish diaspora -- something remarkable in Iran where even local aid organizations have difficulty receiving funds from abroad for fear of being accused of being foreign agents."

When did Hitler ever donate money to Jewish hospitals? The Hitler analogy is a desperate attempt to brainwash Americans. It tells us nothing about what Ahmadinejad is really like.

The lies about Ahmadinejad are no different than the lies about Saddam Hussein or Hugo Chavez. The US and Israel are trying to create the justification for another war. That's why the media credits Ahmadinejad with saying things that he never really said.

read more... http://www.opednews.com/articles/25-000-Jews-live-in-Iran-by-Mike-Whitney-100817-972.html

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Not stopped,,, delayed.
It will happen when the time is right.

And out of that destruction a "leader' will stand up,, Promising peace.
I expect an announcement from the smoking remains of Jerusalem.

Oh, no 21 Dec 2012!

 

[musicmax]

musicmax,

Do you know Farsi?

I do not. My comments on the AP article refer to their conflation of "Zionist regime" with "Israel". For purposes of this discussion, I am accepting AP's translation of the original Farsi as they present it further on down in the article; I am objecting to them using "The existence of the Zionist regime is an insult to all humanity" as an excuse to claim he said "Israel's existence is an insult to all humanity".

For more on the "wipe off the map" controversy, including translations from multiple sources, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#Translation_controversy

 

[Carson]

What are the odds they would start telling the truth now?

 

[Carson]

A while back I heard there were only seven nations on the world left without being part of the global controlled network of central banks. The list had Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya on it then. Now I think it is down to Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Cuba.

I suppose now that Iceland has thrown the shackles they are now on the watch list.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/8318-%E2%80%9Clibyan-rebels%E2%80%9D-create-central-bank-oil-company

 

[chudrockz]

I would just think that all of the incendiary rhetoric would make the United States more likely to attack Iran, not less. It gives more ammunition to the neo-conservatives within the United States. They would be less likely to be attacked if they didn't make these kinds of comments.

That last part is just as untrue as is possible. Consider Saddam and Khadafi. They both layed down and "cooperated" up a storm with the United States. And both died fairly horrible deaths at our hands for it.