After Nice, Newt Gingrich wants to ‘test’ every Muslim in the U.S. and deport sharia believers

[orafi]

My belief is that only a man or woman can have rights. G-d granted these to every man and woman. Rights are immutable, non transferable, unalienable, unseverable, etc.

Citizens, immigrants, foreigners, emigrants, employees, officers, etc, any legal entities or fictions, have no rights- zero zilch nada - only privileges with certain benefits to whichever legal society they are a part of.

So, you may have a right as a man or woman (creator of legal fiction) to "violate" the "rights" of a citizen, but you don't have the right to interfere with the rights of another (wo)man.

That includes going from point "a" to point "b", anywhere on g-d's green earth, unless it is trespass on private property.

A "country" isn't private property. You don't have a right to expel any man or woman from anywhere you have zero vested interest in where no harm or injury has occurred.

Even if they practice Shariah or Talmudic law or etc as long as they do not impose their beliefs on people outside of their society, then it's none of your business what they practice.

 

[kahless]

Making the 1st Amendment void is destroying the Constitution.

Defending our borders is not in violation of the 1st amendment and you know that. I therefore question whether you are being truthful telling me you are a Christian and support individual liberty when you are so adamant about allowing people to enter our borders that would deny us individual liberty and freedom of religion.

 

[Ender]

I can attest to this and really cannot believe anyone here would be surprised or behave as if it did not exist.



It is an insult and I did not accuse of being Muslim. I asked if you were.

As an insult to my integrity from your anti-muslim stance.

You also said, in a reply to me:

I am going to go out on a limb here and believe we have a group of RPFers that are Muslim and are opposed to individual liberty. It totally defies logic that there is a group of RPF posters that supposedly believe in individual liberty yet are loudly demanding that as a country we import people that oppose individual liberty, that oppose the bill of rights, the constitution, believe Sharia should be the law of the land and in some cases wishes to kill us as infidels if they achieved power if we do not convert.

This was directed at me and any others who do not lockstep with your POV.

 

[Ender]

My belief is that only a man or woman can have rights. G-d granted these to every man and woman. Rights are immutable, non transferable, unalienable, unseverable, etc.

Citizens, immigrants, foreigners, emigrants, employees, officers, etc, any legal entities or fictions, have no rights- zero zilch nada - only privileges with certain benefits to whichever legal society they are a part of.

So, you may have a right as a man or woman (creator of legal fiction) to "violate" the "rights" of a citizen, but you don't have the right to interfere with the rights of another (wo)man.

That includes going from point "a" to point "b", anywhere on g-d's green earth, unless it is trespass on private property.

A "country" isn't private property. You don't have a right to expel any man or woman from anywhere you have zero vested interest in where no harm or injury has occurred.

Even if they practice Shariah or Talmudic law or etc as long as they do not impose their beliefs on people outside of their society, then it's none of your business what they practice.

^^THIS^^

THANK YOU.

 

[kahless]

My belief is that only a man or woman can have rights. G-d granted these to every man and woman. Rights are immutable, non transferable, unalienable, unseverable, etc.

Citizens, immigrants, foreigners, emigrants, employees, officers, etc, any legal entities or fictions, have no rights- zero zilch nada - only privileges with certain benefits to whichever legal society they are a part of.

So, you may have a right as a man or woman (creator of legal fiction) to "violate" the "rights" of a citizen, but you don't have the right to interfere with the rights of another (wo)man.

That includes going from point "a" to point "b", anywhere on g-d's green earth, unless it is trespass on private property.

A "country" isn't private property. You don't have a right to expel any man or woman from anywhere you have zero vested interest in where no harm or injury has occurred.

Even if they practice Shariah or Talmudic law or etc as long as they do not impose their beliefs on people outside of their society, then it's none of your business what they practice.

A majority of Muslims in this world believe Sharia requires everyone regardless of faith to adhere to it. That is imposing their beliefs on people outside of their society.

 

[Smitty]

I am a Christian Minister .

Genesis 16-12 NIV

He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

 

[LibertyEagle]

If you have no borders, you have no nation.

 

[cajuncocoa]

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[Ender]

A majority of Muslims in this world believe Sharia requires everyone regardless of faith to adhere to it. That is imposing their beliefs on people outside of their society.

Repeat:

Indeed, the truth about Muslims in America is perhaps surprising -- but not in the way Trump and his supporters might think.

A look at polls and studies conducted in the last few years shows that Muslims have been crucial in helping law enforcement find terror suspects in the United States. Many have served in the military protecting the country against terrorists. And in many ways, they're a lot like other everyday Americans.
Here's the reality of Muslims in America -- and how it smashes stereotypes:

They are a minuscule portion of the U.S. population
It's difficult to come by hard numbers because the U.S. Census doesn't collect religious data. But the fear of Muslims taking over and imposing Sharia law is unfounded. By some estimates, Muslims make up less than 1% of the U.S. adult population. By 2050, their numbers will grow -- to 2.1%. Of all the Muslims in America, 63% are exactly the kind Trump wants banned -- immigrants.

They're better educated than most Americans
U.S. Muslims have the second-highest level of education among major religious groups in the country; Jews have the highest. And a greater proportion of them have college degrees than the general U.S. population.

They have more gender equality
While in many parts of the Muslim world, women are confined to second-class status, that's not the case among American Muslims. Virtually all of them, 90%, agree that women should be able to work outside the home. American Muslim women hold more college or postgraduate degrees than Muslim men. And they are more likely to work in professional fields than women from most other U.S. religious groups.

They've been here since the birth of the nation ...
Scholars estimate about a quarter to a third of the Africans brought to the United States as slaves were Muslims. Most were then forced to convert to Christianity.

... and they're not just clustered in big cities
American Muslims live in cities big and small all across the United States. The first mosque built in America was in, of all places, Ross, North Dakota, back in 1929.

They're as religious as Christians ...
The general perception of Muslims has one thing right: Most Muslims are very religious. About half say they attend the weekly Friday prayers. But that makes them similar to Christians: About 70% of Christians say religion is important in their lives, and about 45% go to a weekly service.

... but they're not as dogmatic as they are portrayed
Much has been made about fundamentalist Muslims and their strict interpretation of the Quran. But most American Muslims are different. A Pew religious landscape survey found that 57% of American Muslims say there is more than one way to interpret Islam's teachings. A similar number say many different religions can lead to eternal life.

There have been Muslims involved in terrorism ...
From September 11, 2001, until the end of 2014, 109 Muslim-Americans plotted against targets in the United States. And terrorism by Muslim-Americans killed 50 in the same time period. Contrast that with the deaths from other mass shootings just last year: 136 -- more than twice as many as all the deaths from 13 years of Muslim-American terrorism.

... but they've also spoken out against it
After every terrorist attack at home and abroad, the refrain rises, "Where is the Muslim condemnation?" American Muslims have spoken out -- and done much more. A Duke University study found more terrorism suspects and perpetrators were brought to the attention of law enforcement by members of the Muslim-American community than were discovered through U.S. government investigations. And a Pew survey found that roughly half of U.S. Muslims say their religious leaders aren't speaking out enough against Islamic extremism.

 

[Ender]

Genesis 16-12 NIV

He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

^^Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and be known as one.^^

 

[69360]

That's the end of the discussion about allowing them into America.

No, it's not. Just because I think they are more likely to be terrorists doesn't mean they all are. I'm sure many of them are upstanding people and some of them are even legitimate refugees.

These laws were about rather national security and homogeneity. The feelings of hate or discrimination are irrelevant.



I believe we can achieve individual liberty within our borders. An impossibility due to people with your open border ideology.



Hyperbole. Newt nor anyone here is proposing or promoting that. This is just your typical Progressive talking point to shutdown any discussion or opposition concerning border controls.

This is crap, we all know it's crap and you are trying weave a word quilt to explain away your hatred.

You most assuredly are taking away people's liberty. What if a white person wanted to convert to islam? Kick them out? Kill them? What if a US citizen wanted to marry a muslim? Deny them their spouse?

 

[Smitty]

^^Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and be known as one.^^

The theology school you went to must not have been very good.

 

[kahless]

Repeat:

51% Sharia law within the US.

Should Muslims in the U.S. have their own courts or tribunals in America to apply shariah law or

should they be subject to American laws and courts?

39% AMERICAN COURTS ONLY

36% BE FREE TO CHOOSE EITHER

15% SHARIAH COURTS ONLY

7% DON’T KNOW

3% NO ANSWER

Outside the US.

 

[kahless]

No, it's not. Just because I think they are more likely to be terrorists doesn't mean they all are. I'm sure many of them are upstanding people and some of them are even legitimate refugees.



This is crap, we all know it's crap and you are trying weave a word quilt to explain away your hatred.

You most assuredly are taking away people's liberty. What if a white person wanted to convert to islam? Kick them out? Kill them? What if a US citizen wanted to marry a muslim? Deny them their spouse?

You believe stopping people from coming here is taking away their liberty, yet you have no problem with allowing them to come here to take MY liberty.

I do not believe you and several here are what you say you are since it completely defies logic if you support individual liberty you demand importing Muslims that would deny my liberty or open our borders to them to effect the same result.

 

[orafi]

Like I said, dear Kahless:

They should be allowed to practice whatever they wish so long as they do not interfere with another man or woman's rights.

You don't have a right to deny travel to another man or woman from any piece of earth you do not own or have interest in (unless you are granted title as trustee,enlisted or employed etc by the property owner) who isn't causing harm or injury to another (wo)man/property.

This goes with any belief system ,not just "Islamic" law.

After all, this country is a Common Law land and thank g-d it still is one.

That's my belief. But what do I know? Only g-d does.

 

[nikcers]

You advocated for Trump before Rand dropped out. I do not believe you and several here are what you say you are since it completely defies logic if you support Trump

 

[kahless]

Like I said, dear Kahless:

They should be allowed to practice whatever they wish so long as they do not interfere with another man or woman's rights.

You don't have a right to deny travel to another man or woman from any piece of earth you do not own or have interest in (unless you are granted title as trustee,enlisted or employed etc by the property owner) who isn't causing harm or injury to another (wo)man/property.

This goes with any belief system ,not just "Islamic" law.

After all, this country is a Common Law land and thank g-d it still is one.

That's my belief. But what do I know? Only g-d does.

In a perfect world I would agree with you. This is not one. We have a duty as a people to defend our borders from people that wish deny us our liberty.

 

[Ender]

The theology school you went to must not have been very good.

Save it for the Religious Forum.

 

[nikcers]

In a perfect world I would agree with you. This is not one. We have a duty as a people to defend our borders from people that wish deny us our liberty.

The military industrial complex creates blowback, if we stop that we will not be in a perfect world, but we won't attract terror with our anti Russia foreign policy.

 

[Ender]

The military industrial complex creates blowback, if we stop that we will not be in a perfect world, but we won't attract terror with our anti Russia foreign policy.

Absolutely.