Afghan Prison Break!

People like you assume the following: "if they are the USA's enemy, they must be good." It's not so black-and-white, i'm afraid

You are so freakin' wrong.
In this case the U.S. and NATO forces are the criminal.
I don't care if they are "wife beaters" or Goat frackers, or communists or any other derogitory term you want to throw out there.
It is their land, not ours. We have NO RIGHT to be there.
We are in the wrong, there is no justification.

I am sorry our guys are stuck in this mess, but the blame is on the Neo-Con crowd and their masters.
Yes, I will root for those that are fighting in their own lands against a foreign aggressor.
Good on them.
 
You are so freakin' wrong.
In this case the U.S. and NATO forces are the criminal.
I don't care if they are "wife beaters" or Goat frackers, or communists or any other derogitory term you want to throw out there.
It is their land, not ours. We have NO RIGHT to be there.
We are in the wrong, there is no justification.

no right? no justification? May i remind you, a terrorist organization based in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban did kill 3,000 of our citizens.

I agree that we have the wrong mission (spreading "democracy", rather than finding bin Laden), but i do not feel sympathy for these guys at all
 
All kidding aside: No it's not a good thing IMO. However, facts are facts and looks like this going to be bigger problem for Pakistan and the USA too. UGH just what we need. So, we are backing both Afganistan and Pakistan but Pakistan has openly refused to allow US troops to search and destroy Alqeada and/or Taliban within Pakistani borders because Musharif whats his army to do it, but they aren't. So now Karsai from Afganisan is going to send his army in to weed out the Taliban in Pakistan. So, we all know whats next....(Thats right)...we train and equip more Afgani troops to mount the offensive that Musharif wont in the mountainous border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan. So if your a Taliban leader what do you want to do? They were responsible for the assasination of Bhutto and Karsai has survived four attempts so far, this guy should play the powerball! he's one lucky S.O.B. thats all I'm sayin.
watch and see this play out...(hope I'm wrong).
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080615/ap_on_re_as/afghan_karzai

Musharif wants his army to do it? Don't make me laugh! The Pakistani ISI under Musharraf created Al Qaeda and the Taliban and has been caught funding Al Qaeda up through 2005!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4249525.stm
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FD08Aa01.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/
http://afghanistanica.com/2007/05/13/revisiting-the-airlift-of-evil-a-blunder-via-pragmatism/

Mussharif is part of the REAL "axis of evil".

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
no right? no justification? May i remind you, a terrorist organization based in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban did kill 3,000 of our citizens.

I agree that we have the wrong mission (spreading "democracy", rather than finding bin Laden), but i do not feel sympathy for these guys at all

And now this terrorist organization has a safe haven in Pakistan with the full blessing of the Bush administration. The GWOT is a joke.

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
At least we will know how to get out of the FEMA camps most of us will be placed in :D
 
maybe they were let out... you dont have to spend time and money to put them on trial if they are free, drop a couple bombs and that takes care of them, legally.
 
no right? no justification? May i remind you, a terrorist organization based in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban did kill 3,000 of our citizens.

l

I might remind you that the story you are pushing is propaganda.
A few Saudi radicals with with loose ties to a Figurehead/Leader trained to fly planes in the U.S., and flew planes into buildings.
That person is (by all accounts) no longer in Afghanistan.
There is no terrorist "organization" but a lot of independent groups with a common enemy who are all lumped into a nebulous" al Quida."
 
I might remind you that the story you are pushing is propaganda.
A few Saudi radicals with with loose ties to a Figurehead/Leader trained to fly planes in the U.S., and flew planes into buildings.
That person is (by all accounts) no longer in Afghanistan.
There is no terrorist "organization" but a lot of independent groups with a common enemy who are all lumped into a nebulous" al Quida."

Al Qaeda is a unified grouping. It started as a sparse alliance of groups, but by now it is a clearly organized and deadly force.

All the hijackers met bin Laden personally at some point in their training, while in camps run by his money, and executed an attack ordered by him. So i don't know why you believe the ties are "loose"
 
Musharif wants his army to do it? Don't make me laugh! The Pakistani ISI under Musharraf created Al Qaeda and the Taliban and has been caught funding Al Qaeda up through 2005!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4249525.stm
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FD08Aa01.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/
http://afghanistanica.com/2007/05/13/revisiting-the-airlift-of-evil-a-blunder-via-pragmatism/

Mussharif is part of the REAL "axis of evil".

Regards,

John M. Drake

Forgive my forgetfulness I remember Musharif "assuring" US delegates/envoys that he would press/make efforts to do just that. Why in the F*&CK we believe it is beyond me. Dam, if only I could remember the timeline...maybe before bhutto's assasination and a renewal of a pledge of US $$$ sound familar to anyone? nonetheless I distinctly remember him telling us hands off to operations there.
 
Al Qaeda is a unified grouping. It started as a sparse alliance of groups, but by now it is a clearly organized and deadly force.

All the hijackers met bin Laden personally at some point in their training, while in camps run by his money, and executed an attack ordered by him. So i don't know why you believe the ties are "loose"

Is this first hand knowledge of yours? Will you testify and give up your sources on public record? We would like to subpoena them, thanks for your patriotic efforts.
 
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Things in Afghanistan seem to be heating up as Iraq calms down (relatively speaking, of course- Iraq is no picnic)

Man,...and this crazy scenario plays out in my head. Karsai gets whacked, civil war/unrest breaks out in Afganistan (not Iraq as predicted/wanted), Taliban madmen stream from the mountains screming "Death To America!" and Iran opens a second terrorist front from thier East or Western Afganistan. It becomes the Mid-East version of the Tet-Offensive. Possible?
 
Al Qaeda is a unified grouping. It started as a sparse alliance of groups, but by now it is a clearly organized and deadly force.

All the hijackers met bin Laden personally at some point in their training, while in camps run by his money, and executed an attack ordered by him. So i don't know why you believe the ties are "loose"

What? Do you have the membership lists? Have you got some minuets of their meetings.
Or are you just repeating the MSM or the "party line".

Bin Laden was created by the U.S.
"Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."

Another view,
Claims of an American invention

What exactly al-Qaeda is, or was, remains in dispute. In the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares, writer and journalist Adam Curtis contends that the idea of al-Qaeda as a formal organization is primarily an American invention. Curtis contends the name "al-Qaeda" was first brought to the attention of the public in the 2001 trial of Osama bin Laden and the four men accused of the 1998 United States embassy bombings in East Africa. As a matter of law, the U.S. Department of Justice needed to show that Osama bin Laden was the leader of a criminal organization in order to charge him in absentia under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, also known as the RICO statutes. The name of the organization and details of its structure were provided in the testimony of Jamal al-Fadl, who claimed to be a founding member of the organization and a former employee of Osama bin Laden.[31] To quote the documentary directly:

The reality was that bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri had become the focus of a loose association of disillusioned Islamist militants who were attracted by the new strategy. But there was no organization. These were militants who mostly planned their own operations and looked to bin Laden for funding and assistance. He was not their commander. There is also no evidence that bin Laden used the term "al-Qaeda" to refer to the name of a group until after September the 11th, when he realized that this was the term the Americans had given it.[32]

Questions about the reliability of al-Fadl's testimony have been raised by a number of sources because of his history of dishonesty and because he was delivering it as part of a plea bargain agreement after being convicted of conspiring to attack U.S. military establishments.[33][34] Sam Schmidt, a defense lawyer from the trial, had the following to say about al-Fadl's testimony:

There were selective portions of al-Fadl's testimony that I believe was false, to help support the picture that he helped the Americans join together. I think he lied in a number of specific testimony about a unified image of what this organization was. It made al-Qaeda the new Mafia or the new Communists. It made them identifiable as a group and therefore made it easier to prosecute any person associated with al-Qaeda for any acts or statements made by bin Laden.[35]
Now this is from the Wiki , for quick reference., but the same information is available elsewhere.

They are not based anywhere, They are anywhere that racicalized Islam is taught and where cells are formed.
It was the CIA that taught bin Laden to radicalize Islam to recruit fighters. And it worked.
 
That's one of the most brazen attack I've ever heard of.
Yep.

Report: U.S. Gave Green Light For Taliban Prison Attack
Staged incident to justify continued military occupation in Afghanistan
Paul Joseph Watson
Reports out of the Middle East indicate that U.S. forces gave the green light for the Taliban to attack a government prison in Kandahar this past Friday and stood idly by while Taliban fighters violently freed more than 1000 inmates.

"Experts in regional affairs believe that Taliban militants attacked the Kandahar prison with the green light from US forces,"
reports Press TV.

"They say it is questionable - how could the militants dare attack the prison with US-led troops stationed just northeast of the jail?"

"The sources also noted that although clashes between Afghan security forces and the militants lasted for several hours, US-led troops did not intervene."

Reports out of the Middle East indicate that U.S. forces gave the green light for the Taliban to attack a government prison in Kandahar this past Friday and stood idly by while Taliban fighters violently freed more than 1000 inmates.

"Experts in regional affairs believe that Taliban militants attacked the Kandahar prison with the green light from US forces," reports Press TV.

"They say it is questionable - how could the militants dare attack the prison with US-led troops stationed just northeast of the jail?"

"The sources also noted that although clashes between Afghan security forces and the militants lasted for several hours, US-led troops did not intervene."


"Ordinary people share the idea, asking how is it possible that hundreds of militants could attack a government prison, detonating more than 800 kilograms of explosives and foreign forces show no reaction."

Why would U.S. forces stand idly by while 600 hundred Taliban fighters were freed?


The report notes that "Afghans are tired of war and that only a few illiterate people, called Taliban, are fighting foreign forces."

Without an enemy to fight, there would be no justification for a continued U.S. and NATO presence in Afghanistan. There would be no more weapons sales contracts and no more rebuilding contracts for Halliburton.

Remember, this miraculous prison break occurred just days before Gordon Brown agreed to send hundreds more British troops into Afghanistan to put the British presence there at an all time high.

The necessity for continued violence in Afghanistan exists just like it does in Iraq, for the pretext of justifying an endless military occupation and the opportunity to build military bases that will be used as launch pads for future wars, as is now being discussed for Iraq.

As we have highlighted in the past, links between Taliban leadership and the U.S. military-industrial complex are documented.

As Seymour Hersh reported in January 2002, at the height of the war in Afghanistan, hundreds of Taliban fighters "accidentally" ended up on U.S. organized special safety corridor airlifts right before the fall of Kunduz.

The Taliban itself was a creation of the CIA having been set up and bankrolled by the U.S. in tandem with Pakistan's ISI.

“In the 1980s, the CIA provided some $5 billion in military aid for Islamic fundamentalist rebels fighting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, but scaled down operations after Moscow pulled out in 1989. However, Selig Harrison of the DC-based Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars recently told a conference in London that the CIA created the Taliban “monster” by providing some $3 billion for the ultra-fundamentalist militia in their 1994-6 drive to power," reported the Times of India.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/061608_green_light.htm
 
Quoting prison planet is like the truther version of Godwin's law.
:rolleyes:

US role in Afghan prison attack

PRESS TV
US-led forces have played a part in a Taliban attack on an Afghanistan prison that set hundreds of militants free, some reports speculate.

Experts in regional affairs believe that Taliban militants attacked the Kandahar prison with the green light from US forces.

They say it is questionable - how could the militants dare attack the prison with US-led troops stationed just northeast of the jail?


The sources also noted that although clashes between Afghan security forces and the militants lasted for several hours, US-led troops did not intervene.

Ordinary people share the idea, asking how is it possible that hundreds of militants could attack a government prison, detonating more than 800 kilograms of explosives and foreign forces show no reaction.

They say the blasts were deafening and awakened everyone in the region. No one can claim not being aware of the attack.

"There are two opinions among Afghans following up the attack; non-political individuals say the Taliban managed to attack the prison with the help of God, while those more political believe that US forces helped them," Ahmad Saadat, a political expert, said.

He compared the foreign forces' struggle with Afghan insurgents to a movie that ends before reaching a conclusion.

Saadat added that Afghans are tired of war and that only a few illiterate people, called Taliban, are fighting foreign forces.

He emphasized that while these groups should oppose foreign forces, they do things in favor of them with consequences that they are not aware of.

He said foreign forces have chosen these militant groups to achieve their own objectives under the pretext of defending Islam.

He also said that since the number of Taliban militants is shrinking, foreign forces planned the attack with Pakistan's assistance to encourage the militants' move.

This political expert believes that the assault on the prison was essentially a US plan. Otherwise, after the first blast, the heavily armed US, Canadian, and Afghan troops would have intervened.

Showing no reaction proves that foreign forces had a role in the escape of more than 1000 inmates, 400 of them Taliban, from the prison.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=60249&sectionid=351020403
 
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Is this first hand knowledge of yours? Will you testify and give up your sources on public record? We would like to subpoena them, thanks for your patriotic efforts.

no, i actually read/listen/watch experts who have experience dealing with this shit...rather than find the viewpoint that best fits my preconceived notions and then ignore evidence.
 
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