Adrian Peterson indicted after giving his son a 'whooping'

CrissyNY said:
stop pretending a slap on the butt is what is being discussed here

please.
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It depends on who. Some people here are seeing an abuse of parental authority in this particular case, others are seeing spanking as an abuse of parenting authority per say. I agree with the former and not the latter.

Snew said:
They are quite similar, though, when you think about it. A child doesn't have a choice in his/her parents.
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Is parental authority slavery?
 
I have an ancap friend who's really into "peaceful parenting." I think its a little silly myself. Parents do have real authority over their kids, and the NAP cannot be strictly applied to kids. And frankly, comparing THIS (spanking in general, not really talking about AP specifically) is to miss the point. We actually have blatant, open slavery in this country. They call it "Selective Service." They also indirectly enslave us through artifically inflated education prices, taxes, regulation, and the Fed. The State kidnaps people on a daily basis for the "crime" of selling drugs or owning "illegal" weapons (yet apparently its OK for the State to own WMDs, inhumane devices that can ONLY be used to commit mass murder.(

The Modern State is the civil rights issue of the day. Those who support it are morally equivalent to those who supported chattel slavery in the 1850s. And the reason is because the State has no legitimate authority over human beings, much like "masters" had no legitimate authority over "slaves." The specifics of actually legitimate parental authority are not on that level at all.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
I have an ancap friend who's really into "peaceful parenting." I think its a little silly myself. Parents do have real authority over their kids, and the NAP cannot be strictly applied to kids. And frankly, comparing THIS (spanking in general, not really talking about AP specifically) is to miss the point. We actually have blatant, open slavery in this country. They call it "Selective Service." They also indirectly enslave us through artifically inflated education prices, taxes, regulation, and the Fed. The State kidnaps people on a daily basis for the "crime" of selling drugs or owning "illegal" weapons (yet apparently its OK for the State to own WMDs, inhumane devices that can ONLY be used to commit mass murder.(

The Modern State is the civil rights issue of the day. Those who support it are morally equivalent to those who supported chattel slavery in the 1850s. And the reason is because the State has no legitimate authority over human beings, much like "masters" had no legitimate authority over "slaves." The specifics of actually legitimate parental authority are not on that level at all.
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/in b4 you're accused of hyperbole. I happen to agree with you. :) ~hugs~
 
FreedomFanatic said:
The Modern State is the civil rights issue of the day. Those who support it are morally equivalent to those who supported chattel slavery in the 1850s. And the reason is because the State has no legitimate authority over human beings, much like "masters" had no legitimate authority over "slaves." The specifics of actually legitimate parental authority are not on that level at all.
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Just because there is some 'greater ill' out there doesn't mean that we can't also oppose child abuse.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
It depends on who. Some people here are seeing an abuse of parental authority in this particular case, others are seeing spanking as an abuse of parenting authority per say. I agree with the former and not the latter.
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I don't think spanking is abuse. What I saw in the pics was excessive but not abuse. It was some scratches from a branch. There was no need to get the government involved and from what I read he already knew he went too far.
 
MelissaWV said:
Ah well then. I guess it was the norm, then. Shove someone, get welts and cuts that are still wide and livid a over a week later (pictures are available; not posting them here).

Carry on, RPFs.
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I'm with you. I'm pretty sure that was never the norm unless you live in an area heavily populated by deadbeat low-lives, which is entirely possible.
 
tod evans said:
I suppose Barrington Ill. is pretty "low life" eh?

I lived there until the 60's only my dad would use his belt for major infractions...
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See, this is what I was talking about.

I guess I will have to ask again: How many times did you have wide, bloody, livid welts on your four-year-old self a week after the punishment? How many times did your dad's belt split your scrotum? How many times did he shove sticks/leaves in your mouth so you wouldn't scream while he was doing it?

The response to "um this looks rather extreme" isn't "well something less extreme happened to me as a child (but older than this child) so I don't get the fuss."

69360 said:
I don't think spanking is abuse. What I saw in the pics was excessive but not abuse. It was some scratches from a branch. There was no need to get the government involved and from what I read he already knew he went too far.
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“Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”

Peterson's son had pushed another one of his kids off a video game to prompt the punishment, according to the report.

Well as long as it was a godawful offense that prompted being hit with a switch over... and over... and over....

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Oh and back to the "well the child won't do THAT again" logic? If that's really the only end goal you could just kill the child. Stupid? Yeah. That's why it's not a logical justification here. I don't think a four-year-old is even likely to associate pushing another child with getting these injuries. If they do, then I wince to think of what else they'll never do purely out of fear. Some of you are the same ones that bemoan kids not going out and being allowed to play. Shoving one another --- within reason --- was always part of that. Man I hope this kid never grows up to be in a game where he shoves other similarly-sized people around and gets paid for it. How pissed would Adrian Peterson be then!

And no, before it starts flying around again, I don't really think the police needed to be in on this one, though most of you are missing a buried lesson here. He "cooperated" so it doesn't look like there'll be much to this (there shouldn't be). What if he didn't cooperate to the opinion of the police? Would there be such an outpouring of "this is just a loving daddy disciplining his son"? Or would people react more along the lines of calling him a thug? What if there had been a "gun in the home"? More importantly, what if this were you or me discovered after the fact with a child whose skin looked like that and who we'd admitted to "whooping"? I don't think we'd be holding a single press conference on it.

And in the end, the kid is going to wind up with a spotlight on him, the mother is apparently suspected by some people of orchestrating the whole thing (don't see how that's even a little likely), and nothing is fixed or resolved in the entire matter.
 
MelissaWV said:
See, this is what I was talking about.

I guess I will have to ask again: How many times did you have wide, bloody, livid welts on your four-year-old self a week after the punishment? How many times did your dad's belt split your scrotum? How many times did he shove sticks/leaves in your mouth so you wouldn't scream while he was doing it?
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That was over 50 years ago, I can't say for sure that I even got a belt whuppin' at 4, however knowing my parents I seriously doubt that I did.

I don't whip my child with anything, but I'm not going to say I never will either....He does have my genes so the predisposition to severely mess up is there...

As I said earlier "I'm in no position to judge the father in the OP."

My sole justification for the quoted post was to dispel the myth that "lowlife" people whip problem children while the educated and affluent don't...
 
tod evans said:
That was over 50 years ago, I can't say for sure that I even got a belt whuppin' at 4, however knowing my parents I seriously doubt that I did.

I don't whip my child with anything, but I'm not going to say I never will either....He does have my genes so the predisposition to severely mess up is there...

As I said earlier "I'm in no position to judge the father in the OP."

My sole justification for the quoted post was to dispel the myth that "lowlife" people whip problem children while the educated and affluent don't...
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He addressed my quote, which was not about all people who spank/strike/whip. It was about this specific case, and how age and action -inappropriate it was. I would agree with him. It takes a special kind of lowlife to go this far, and a lowlife with money or a college degree is no less a lowlife for having them.
 
MelissaWV said:
He addressed my quote, which was not about all people who spank/strike/whip. It was about this specific case, and how age and action -inappropriate it was. I would agree with him. It takes a special kind of lowlife to go this far, and a lowlife with money or a college degree is no less a lowlife for having them.
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Obviously you and Paul feel qualified to judge the father in the OP...

I don't.

And I can assure the both of you neither is qualified to judge my folks or me.
 
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