Adrian Peterson indicted after giving his son a 'whooping'

[green73]

So, does anyone know of a non-violence endorsing libertarian leaning website.

Edited. Mean Forum

Yeah, take your collectivist thinking shove off. You won't be missed.

 

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Yeah, take your collectivist thinking shove off. You won't be missed.

LOL.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

1. Open handed on the buttocks causing sting
2. Administer with a level head
3. Execute very rarely
4. Only apply for extreme or destructive behavior

Strong willed kids will respect you more the next time you shout and exhibit your boiling point. They wont want you to go there again.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Parents have no rights. Only privileges. A child isn't their property they can abuse and beat to a bloody pulp for any minor infraction.

Anyone who thinks this will reduce the likely hood of misbehaving in the future is a fool. The overwhelming consensus among health care professions is that corporal punishment leads to increased crime rates and a host of other issues.

Corporal punishment is nothing more than lazy parenting that teaches might makes right. It teaches no moral values or principles. All it teaches is "fear someone stronger than you or get the shit kicked out of you", something that study after study confirms, as kids who were hit by their parents are far more prone to violence as adults.

 

[juleswin]

1. Open handed on the buttocks causing sting
2. Administer with a level head
3. Execute very rarely
4. Only apply for extreme or destructive behavior

Strong willed kids will respect you more the next time you shout and exhibit your boiling point. They wont want you to go there again.

Second point I think is the most important, but every single points you made are close 2nds and 3rds. The kid also need to know why you are doing what you are doing and why your harsh actions will benefit him/her in the end.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

The kid also need to know why you are doing what you are doing and why your harsh actions will benefit him/her in the end.

Good point. On the few occasions I've had to do this, I had explained the reasoning long before the punishment. Most parents dread doing this and go the extra mile to explain why it's necessary. Although a 10 year old may not understand it at the time, when they are older they will look back on it and realize it was in their best interest.

 

[Origanalist]

So, does anyone know of a non-violence endorsing libertarian leaning website.

Edited. Mean Forum

No, but here's a book you might be interested in. http://www.amazon.com/Takes-Village-Tenth-Anniversary-Edition/dp/1416540644

 

[Origanalist]

Parents have no rights. Only privileges. A child isn't their property they can abuse and beat to a bloody pulp for any minor infraction.

Anyone who thinks this will reduce the likely hood of misbehaving in the future is a fool. The overwhelming consensus among health care professions is that corporal punishment leads to increased crime rates and a host of other issues.

Corporal punishment is nothing more than lazy parenting that teaches might makes right. It teaches no moral values or principles. All it teaches is "fear someone stronger than you get the shit kicked out of you", something that study after study confirms that kids learn from corporal punishment, as kids who were hit by their parents are far more prone to violence as adults.

The overwhelming consensus among climatologists is man made global warming is going to cause catastrophic damage to the earth.

The overwhelming consensus in the medical community is you should take statins for high cholesterol....

(insert other examples here.....)

 

[brushfire]

I have a hard time with the use of a switch - if one is going to spank their child, I really believe that nothing more than an open hand should be used, and it should be the last resort. The idea is to discipline, not to inflict wounds, and not to vent or demonstrate the adult equivalent of the temper tantrum.

I agree with those who believe in non-violent methods of discipline, that's always the preferred option. I dont agree with those who think they have non-violent means, and they resort to endless warnings that amount to inaction, long lectures which the kids tune out, screaming incessantly, or solitary confinement for excessive amounts of time. So called ant-spanking proponents who scream at their kids, and offer no consequence, are not doing their children any good either.

One thing is for sure, I find it pretty rare to see any parent disciplining their children. In fact, I see most parents praying to their smart phones, all but ignoring their children. It truly is a rarity to see a parent give a damn. Most parents I know put their kids in day care - even when they're not at work. Someone else needs to take care of their children... Its really strange. Really, what do they do as parents? They work to keep the big screen on, keep the status symbol SUV fueled, and pay the daycare. To me this really resembles communism where all anyone has to worry about is waking up and working. Few people know how to install a toilet, or change hoses on their washing machine, let alone put a roof on their house. Leave it to the specialists to do those tasks - raising children seems to take on the same mentality.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd rather see someone doing something, rather than just ignoring their children's behavior. I certainly dont agree with my parents method of parenting, but I appreciate the fact that they gave a damn. Am I excusing Mr Peterson for what he did? Not really, but I'm not convicting him either. As someone said earlier, who knows what the circumstances are? What I can say that this family probably has a sh!tty dynamic if the police are being called. That concerns me more than the whoop'n. I can only hope things improve for him and his family, but somehow the current situation doesn't seem like its headed towards a constructive end.

Oh, and there's always the 'Ectorrr method of discipline.

"La familia es todo"

 

[pessimist]

Ah well then. I guess it was the norm, then. Shove someone, get welts and cuts that are still wide and livid a over a week later (pictures are available; not posting them here).

Carry on, RPFs.

+1.

I've seen the pics. I can't imagine what they looked like before they had a week to heal. Multiple open wounds (what would folks be saying if he got an infection?) due to repeated whippings on a 4 year old is way over the line.

 

[TaftFan]

After looking at those pictures, which are a week old, I would have him charged.

 

[alucard13mm]

I turn put ffffffffffffine. The Chinese use corporal punishment all the time. With a bamboo stick or the wooden part of a feather duster. Chinese however is vulnerable and follows the authorities every order..

 

[juleswin]

Oh my god, so that is the picture after one week? unless the little boy has some minor form of hemophilia, there is no reason why you should still be seeing blood clot after 1 week from that injury. Charge the woman with child neglect for not giving the boy a good shower after 1 week, take the child off her hands and force her to pay Adrian child support for the rest of her life.

 

[Snew]

Threads like this are why I don't post on here as often anymore.

It's so simple: don't hit your kids! How is it so difficult for people to wrap their minds around this? This is what should be the most basic thing to understand for a libertarian or anarchist. How are we going to rid ourselves of the state if we act like the state to our kids?

 

[KingNothing]

I understand that. How many times, as a four year old, were you switched upwards of 40 times to the extent it tore the skin on your scrotum? For pushing another child?

It's 2014. It isn't 1714. Can we please stop fucking beating children for acting like children? This shit makes me fucking sick. Anyone who tolerates this horrific shit is a terrible, miserable, awful, human. Period. "Well, back in my day we used to get smashed in the face with a brick by our parents!" Really, go fuck yourself. We're supposedly a civilized culture now. We DON'T hit four year olds! Period! End!

This kind of thing makes me genuinely sick to my stomach. Imagine watching a 200 pound man hit a four year old. Ugh. A four year old. Just revolting.

 

[KingNothing]

Threads like this are why I don't post on here as often anymore.

It's so simple: don't hit your kids! How is it so difficult for people to wrap their minds around this? This is what should be the most basic thing to understand for a libertarian or anarchist. How are we going to rid ourselves of the state if we act like the state to our kids?

It is sickening. This stuff actually sickens me. I don't understand why anyone, let alone those who understand destructive cycles of violence would tolerate it.

 

[KingNothing]

There is one, and ONLY one, excuse to hit a child -- you need IMMEDIATE compliance in order to keep the child, or other children, from greater harm. If you hit a kid in any other circumstance, you're admitting that you do not have the intellectual capacity to guide another human through life, and that you're relegated to using force. You're no better than a tyrannical government.

Only stupid people use violence to gain compliance.

 

[Snew]

There is one, and ONLY one, excuse to hit a child -- you need IMMEDIATE compliance in order to keep the child, or other children, from greater harm. If you hit a kid in any other circumstance, you're admitting that you do not have the intellectual capacity to guide another human through life, and that you're relegated to using force. You're no better than a tyrannical government.

Only stupid people use violence to gain compliance.

Yup. Spanking is just an easy way out of actual parenting.

 

[KingNothing]

Is there a middle path in this thread between beating children and being a smug a-hole? Perhaps it is printed on the Continental Currency of days gone by: Mind Your Business.

No. You don't fucking hit children. No four year old has ever done anything with malicious intent. This is infuriating.

 

[Snew]

Parents have no rights. Only privileges. A child isn't their property they can abuse and beat to a bloody pulp for any minor infraction.

Anyone who thinks this will reduce the likely hood of misbehaving in the future is a fool. The overwhelming consensus among health care professions is that corporal punishment leads to increased crime rates and a host of other issues.

Corporal punishment is nothing more than lazy parenting that teaches might makes right. It teaches no moral values or principles. All it teaches is "fear someone stronger than you or get the shit kicked out of you", something that study after study confirms, as kids who were hit by their parents are far more prone to violence as adults.

I bumped this excellent post so more people could read it.