Adam Kokesh & Iraq Vets Arrested at the New York Presidential Debate!

Nick Morgan is a combat vet who served as a combat engineer. One of the most peaceful people I know.
 
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Pandemonium outside Hofstra debate: Mounted police push back protesters and spectators. At least three trampled and injured. Fifteen arrested

Pandemonium erupted outside Hofstra University tonight around 8pm, just one hour before the third and final US Presidential debate.

Mounted police pushed back veterans, protesters, and spectators. Fifteen people were arrested, and at least three injured.

The incident occurred as members of Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) attempted to enter the debate and ask a question of the presidential candidates.

According to eyewitnesses, after the protesters tried to cross the street to enter the Hofstra campus, mounted police pushed the crowd back onto the sidewalk, causing at least three people to be trampled under police horses.

Exclusive video and interviews (note this article was originally written for and summarized on Huffington Post's OffTheBus):


This is an overview of Hempstead Turnpike from the southwest corner, facing north towards the entrance to Hofstra University.

The camera follows the police on horseback to the opposite (east) side of the street, where peaceful protesters are rallying.

You can hear CodePink4Peace members singing "We are singing for a peaceful world."


This is an interview with CodePink, taken about two hours prior to the incident.

The CodePink group was on the opposite (southeast) corner from where the incident would take place. The sidewalks are not very deep - only about 10 feet wide - and overflowing with people.

(NOTE: CodePink was on the opposite side of the street, and not involved in the incident).

From the interview: "We are the peace platform. We are promoting peace as the main form of change that we are all waiting for."

This video was taken about 8pm, from the southeast corner, facing west. The mounted police were trying to keep the Iraq Veterans Against the War members off the street by pushing them back onto the sidewalk, which was overflowing with observers, students, and civilians.

<Apologies for the raw footage. The light was really bad, I didn't have a strobe, and I was not able to cross over to the west side of the street to get closer to the melee.>

A higher resolution version of the tape shows that there is a person lying on the ground with their hands covering their head, under and alongside two of about six horses.

A few people started chanting "horseshit" and "bullshit," until CodePink members overwhelmed them with choruses of "Peace, Shalom, Shalom."


I finally got to the west side of the street. This video shows the injured spectator getting into an ambulance, bleeding from her face and head.

I interviewed her before she received medical attention. I suggested that she get medical attention, and directed her towards the ambulances.

I'd post that video, but I never got her approval, and anyway the light was really bad and people were shouting so loudly that you can't really hear her.


Blood on the streets in Hempstead, NY. The crowd chants "Shame! Shame!" at the assembled police line.


Three eyewitnesses from IVAW: Sargent Jason Wayne Lemieux (sp?), USMC; Sargent Liam Madden, USMC and co-chair, IVAW; and Jabar McGruder (sp?), Blackhawk helicopter mechanic, Army National Guard.


According to Jason:

"Six veterans attempted to get into the debate. They tried to move past the police line and were arrested. The riot line started pushing us back across the street. They just kept pushing and pushing. Occasionally one officer would charge their horse forward into the crowd. One of the times that they charged forward...they actually stepped on several of our members including one member who was stepped on the face by a horse. A civilian was also trampled. "


According to Liam:

"We were trying to peacefully enter the debates to ask <the candidates> questions. ... We arranged this with the police beforehand, they knew that we were being non-violent. ... The police continued to charge the horses at the protesters, activists and civilians...resulting in the stepping on an Iraq veteran by a horse..."



According to Jabar (sp?):

"The horses began to essentially push us across the street, and we got pushed back so far there was nowhere to go. And the last charge, is when our member got stepped on."

"I have not seen injuries like that since Iraq. Seeing people laying on the ground like that. I don't need to go through that here in the streets. I don't need to go through that here in America."

"And this is what I got tonight for trying to peacefully bring a message to these candidates. Both of them claim that they support veterans, and this is how we got supported tonight. By being pushed back and trampled and arrested."


Two spectator eyewitnesses:

"They kept pushing us further back until we got to the sidewalk, and they told us to get onto the sidewalk. And they continued to bring the horses up onto the sidewalk. A few IVAW members tried to break through the line and they were trampled, along with another woman."

About 45 minutes after the incident, the only corporate outlet to cover the event was Fox. They interviewed three eyewitnesses, one of whom was apparently injured.

Woman One:

"There was no violence by anybody. They called for non-violence."

Woman Two:

"All of us said that it was non-violent. They sent out press releases that told all the men in charge that it was going to be a non-violent protest."

"I got pushed with horses, I got pushed down by a man with a nightstick. I got pushed down onto the ground by a SWAT team. We kept on saying "non-violent, non-violent," and they continued to push all of us."

Man One:

"They weren't just backing us up slowly, they shoved her to the ground. And that officer did not have a badge, or any kind of identification on his chest, so that we could know who our civil servant is that's supposed to be protecting us. Who shoved her to the ground so carelessly,and putting her life in danger."

"The same officers who led their horses out of control that might have killed an Iraqi veteran here tonight, stomping his head with their horse."

<Me: I'd be interested in seeing if this appears on Fox, and if so, what angle they will take...>

In this clip, I asked a few patrol officers for some information on those arrested. They gave me the number for Police Investigations.

According to police, fifteen people were arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, including IVAW DC chapter members Adam Kokesh, Geoff Milard, and Nick Morgan. Morgan suffered injuries to his head and chest when he was trampled, but was released from the hospital as of this writing.

As of 1am eastern time, fourteen people were released on court appearance tickets scheduled for November 10. One person is still being held for refusing to sign paperwork.
 
 
Palin speech live right now where she thanks a veteran:

"Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you for allowing us to assemble peacefully here. Thank you for our freedoms"

Seems ironic considering last night's assault on veterans.
 
I am wondering if agents provocateurs were rallying protesters to cross the street. This is the type thing they do. It seems a majority of those that followed were teens, the rest stayed on the sidewalk. Why Adam did it is anyone's guess.
 
Can someone who can do videos intersperse that footage with Tianmen (sp?) Square footage? Is there really a difference between a tank and a horse from a pedestrian point of view?

Americans have been tut-tutting T. Square footage for years. I don't think this is all that different an incident. Except, of course, that this isn't college students it's an honest-to-God sapper.
 
Sandra said:
... Why Adam did it is anyone's guess.
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Here is why...

Dear Mr Schieffer,

I'm writing you today as a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War to
make clear the details of a demonstration we will be leading Oct. 15th
at Hofstra University prior to the final presidential debate and what
our demands are and will be.

We in IVAW demand that two of our members, myself and Kristofer
Goldsmith, be permitted entry to the debate and be allowed to ask each
candidate one question. If this demand is not agreed to IN FULL by 7 p.m. EST on the 15th, members of IVAW will lead a large contingent of veterans and our supporters on a NON-VIOLENT procession to the debate center and are prepared to risk arrest and/or bodily harm attempting to enter to have our voices heard. (This action will look very similar to our marches at the DNC and RNC which were widely covered in the media and on youtube, should you wish to see what's coming.)

As the economy has continued its downhill slide this election season,
the issue of Iraq has been pushed further and further away from peoples'
minds, as well the platforms of the candidates. In addition, little to
no attention has been paid this election season to the abysmal failure
of the Veterans Administration to adequately care for our returning
troops and their families and how we can work as a nation to fix this
problem.

As a result, more and more veterans are falling into debt, starving,
going homeless and killing themselves while the government REFUSES to
allocate sufficient funds for our much needed and deserved care while
simultaneously lining the pockets of the richest with $700 billion in
taxpayer (including servicemembers and veterans) money.

Such blatant betrayals of our services and sacrifices cannot go
unaddressed by IVAW, thus we will have our voices heard on the issues one way or the other, be it from inside the debate hall, or be it to a hoard of domestic and international press outside the event who have already expressed great interest in and dedication to covering our demonstration.

What yourself and the candidates must decide now, Mr. Schieffer, is
what the legacy of this debate will be. Will this be remembered as an
event where both sides of the isle and the media came together to hear from our nation's heroes, even if only for five minutes, or will the words
and promises of both candidates be forever shrouded in the image of a
host of uniformed veterans and their supporters going to jail because
these campaigns cared too little to hear from them?

Again, we are dedicated to 100% non-violence during this demonstration and will resist no arrest. However, we will NOT, I repeat, we will NOT back down, be intimidated or moved in any way shape or form until our demands are met or we are arrested.

I thank you for your time, sir, and look forward to meeting you in
person.

For honor and country,

Matthis Chiroux
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torchbearer said:
Every Man has a breaking point... and I've about reached mine.
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That's what I'm wondering about, are those in control just waiting for someone to snap and start shooting police officers so they can justify carrying firearms instead of batons? Or Martial Law?

Unfortunately, if it degrades to anyone getting shot, the last person on most people's mind would probably be the Fed Chairman. I doubt the first person driven to that extreme would be that savvy.

What a strong message that would send though, if someone bypassed all the government puppets and went straight at the Fed.

Then for sure it would be Martial Law!
 
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Bill M DC said:
Constituent has just about pushed me to mine with his ignorant drivel.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=163285
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+1


ronpaulhawaii:
Further, your comment about launching political careers sounds like sour grapes. Are you saying that someone like Adam joined the military to launch a poli-career?

constituent:
lol, no. other than his working as an agent provocateur adam kokesh is entirely irrelevant (though i have no doubts that posturing for a political career is exactly what these stunts are about, just look to Viet Nam and the "war resistance" movement back then, nothing new under the sun bro)
 
Sandra said:
Bill with all due respect, you've made a measly 147 posts since you joined almost a year ago. To all of a sudden scream that you're over the edge at a long time poster sounds ridiculous. Thin skinned?
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Post count has nothing to do with the debate.
 
Sandra said:
Bill with all due respect, you've made a measly 147 posts since you joined almost a year ago. To all of a sudden scream that you're over the edge at a long time poster sounds ridiculous. Thin skinned?
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A long time poster here is like a long time politician in congress. It doesn't mean anything unless their record is looked into.
 
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