Adam Kokesh & Iraq Vets Arrested at the New York Presidential Debate!

[Bill M DC]

He's consistant with it, I wish he was more in tune with the others.

The "others?"?

 

[torchbearer]

We're a military family... I will!

You are speculating on someone else mind, and doing so in a negative way. the only possible outcome is negative.
read up on game theory. I don't care if you are rambo, you still lose on this line of discussion.

 

[Sandra]

We won't agree on everything. You do have a "my way or the highway" attitude almost every time there's a disagreement. We disagree, on this and we can just leave it at that.

 

[torchbearer]

We won't agree on everything. You do have a "my way or the highway" attitude almost every time there's a disagreement. We disagree, on this and we can just leave it at that.

In all interactions between people, there are four possible outcomes.
Win-WIn, win-lose, lose-win, and lose-lose.
its really that simple: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory

I've studied these type of things enough to be able to tell someone in advance, that the path of discussion will lead to one of the four boxes.
Nothing to do with "my way", everything to do with what the final score will be.
Just trying to prevent the train wreck.

 

[torchbearer]

If I didn't care about ya, I wouldn't bother telling you.
I often enjoy watching people crash and burn on here. I don't want to see my fellow state member look foolish.

 

[Bill M DC]

I road the China Town bus Friday evening to Philly and drove Nick Morgan back to DC
Saturday since he couldn't drive himself. The surgery went well. His face looks much better though he now has a titanium plate where his cheek bone use to be. The doctor was nice enough to prescribe copious amounts of narcotics for the pain so Nick is high as a kite and in good spirits.

Nick got a nice "Keep your head up son" phone call from Mike Gravel Saturday. Would be nice if Dr. Paul did the same.

The attorneys are coming out of the wood work. I'm confident Nick will be able to bring successful litigation against NCPD and those responsible for his injuries.

I'll be starting another thread: "The Hempstead 15" Updates.

 

[DAFTEK]

^ Great news I hope those criminals are brought to justice and fired from the force...

 

[JK/SEA]

What i'm getting sick of is it seems everytime i tune in to see how the markets are doing they have Palin doing her speech and i hear her asking if there are any veterans out there and to ''raise your hand by golly, yes, we support you by golly''....

Phony BS.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

Next time, make sure its the officer's wife crying at his funeral.
The have no honor, and they are the fucking traitors.
This shit needs to stop. It never will if they don't fear us.

I haven't posted in months, but this little gem deserved a response. I'll yield my time to the gentleman from Georgia.


"Perhaps my faith in love was temporarily shaken by the philosophy of Nietzsche. I had been reading parts of The Genealogy of Morals and the whole of The Will to Power. Nietzsche's glorification of power---in his theory, all life expressed the will to power---was an outgrowth of his contempt for ordinary mortals. He attacked the whole of the Hebraic-Christian morality---with its virtues of piety and humility, its otherworldliness, and its attitude toward suffering---as the glorification of weakness, as making virtues out of necessity and impotence. He looked to the development of a superman who would surpass man as man surpassed the ape.

Then one Sunday afternoon I traveled to Philadelphia to hear a sermon by Dr. Mordecai Johnson, president of Howard University. He was there to preach for the Fellowship House of Philadelphia. Dr. Johnson had just returned from a trip to India, and, to my great interest, he spoke of the life and teachings of Mahatma Gandhi. His message was so profound and electrifying that I left the meeting and bought a half-dozen books on Gandhi's life and works.

Like most people, I had heard of Gandhi, but I had never studied him seriously. As I read I became deeply fascinated by his campaigns of nonviolent resistance. I was particularly moved by his Salt March to the Sea and his numerous fasts. The whole concept of Satyagraha (Satya is truth which equals love, and agraha is force; Satyagraha, therefore, means truth force or love force) was profoundly significant to me. As I delved deeper into the philosophy of Gandhi, my skepticism concerning the power of love gradually diminished, and I came to see for the first time its potency in the area of social reform. Prior to reading Gandhi, I had about concluded that the ethics of Jesus were only effective in individual relationships. The "turn the other cheek" philosophy and the "love your enemies" philosophy were only valid, I felt, when individuals were in conflict with other individuals; when racial groups and nations were in conflict a more realistic approach seemed necessary. But after reading Gandhi, I saw how utterly mistaken I was.

Gandhi was probably the first person in history to lift the love ethic of Jesus above mere interaction between individuals to a powerful instrument of social and collective transformation. It was in this Gandhian emphasis on love and nonviolence that I discovered the method for social reform that I had been seeking. The intellectual and moral satisfaction that I failed to gain from the utilitarianism of Bentham and Mill, the revolutionary methods of Marx and Lenin, the social contracts theory of Hobbes, the "back to nature" optimism of Rousseau, the superman philosophy of Nietzsche, I found in the nonviolent resistance philosophy of Gandhi."

-Martin Luther King, Jr. (as interpreted by Clayborne Carson)

MLK was jailed 30 times, almost died of a stab wound to the chest, and had bombs placed at his home, church and friends homes. He remained an advocate of nonviolent confrontation. In my humble opinion, I think he might have been on to something.

 

[torchbearer]

MLK was jailed 30 times, almost died of a stab wound to the chest, and had bombs placed at his home, church and friends homes. He remained an advocate of nonviolent confrontation. In my humble opinion, I think he might have been on to something.

George Washington led people to slaughter 50,000 Brits.
I think he had the right idea.

The colonies taking it in the ass from the king didn't do to much.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

George Washington led people to slaughter 50,000 Brits.
I think he had the right idea.

The colonies taking it in the ass from the king didn't do to much.

Are you kidding me? How about compiling a list of all the nonviolent actions taken by the colonist to defy the king before they were forced into war. And we almost lost that war! We were incredibly lucky to have George Washington. If you really believe that killing and slaughter are the right tools for the job then you are on the wrong side of this fight my friend.

 

[Bill M DC]

George Washington led people to slaughter 50,000 Brits.
I think he had the right idea.

The colonies taking it in the ass from the king didn't do to much.

I remain to this day a proponent of peaceful non-violent action. I am proud of the stead fastness our vets showed at Hempstead while being bullied and injured by fellow public servants. The stark contrast between their conduct and the conduct of those less informed - less evolved, is a testament to the power of love. Love of peace, country, countrymen and a compassion for those lacking, as we once were, in the moral direction and fortitude to take a stand against treading upon the liberties of others that we ascribed to ourselves.

An honorable Peace is and always was my first wish! I can take no delight in the effusion of human Blood; but, if this War should continue, I wish to have the most active part in it.
John Paul Jones, letter to Gouverneur Morris, Sept 2, 1782

 

[torchbearer]

Are you kidding me? How about compiling a list of all the nonviolent actions taken by the colonist to defy the king before they were forced into war. And we almost lost that war! We were incredibly lucky to have George Washington. If you really believe that killing and slaughter are the right tools for the job then you are on the wrong side of this fight my friend.

A pacifist has no rights. He is a victim of every aggressor.
You only have the rights you are willing to fight and die for... all others will be consumed by the mobs.

The people in power want you to continue getting crushed by their horses.
You are welcomed to it.

I will fight back...

"Give my liberty or give me death"
Most people today would rather live as subjects, than live as free men because they aren't willing to do what is required to remain free. The government is but a reflection of the virtues of its people.

If I was the asshole dictator of this country, i'd want all my opposition to observe peaceful resisitance, because no tyrant was ever removed, except by force.

 

[Sandra]

Torchbearer, you MUST realize that your posts are actually harming our movement at this point. It sounds like you're advocating violence as if there is no alternative.

 

[torchbearer]

Torchbearer, you MUST realize that your posts are actually harming our movement at this point. It sounds like you're advocating violence as if there is no alternative.

Did I tell you to grab a gun and kill someone?
I'm talking philosophy.
When the government comes to your door step to take what's left of your dignity, what will you do?
I'm not saying, "Hey let's form a militia and kill people".

 

[Bill M DC]

Did I tell you to grab a gun and kill someone?
I'm talking philosophy.
When the government comes to your door step to take what's left of your dignity, what will you do?
I'm not saying, "Hey let's form a militia and kill people".

From another thread:

I always thought this was the best way to go. Let the party implode, crash and burn if you will. Lose in 2008 and 2010 and lose BIG. This they will learn and will learn much more quickly that they need to heed the freedom message. I for one find this refreshing and actually relish the opportunities this will afford us in the future. We know we have the right message, we just need the right time for others to listen and that time is coming as the GOP implodes, looks around and wonders what the hell happened?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081027/pl_politico/14986

that's the plan.
how can they ever expect to win a national election without the help of grassroots.

You see Torch bearer. My writings on this subject are laced with subtleties of what I am willing to go to in order to preserve my freedoms. I have always been from the beginning, as were our founders, the "reluctant warrior". The Boston Tea Party was an escalation from peaceful non-violent action to aggressive civil disobedience and monetary loss through vandalism to the trading companies driving the machine of imperial conquest. Those "Indians" knew what the back lash of their actions would be. Always, the tactical advantage is that our enemy must always appear to the public as the aggressor and you the unfortunate victim of unwarranted aggression. It is then that public opinion shifts to pity of the "under dog" and finally to outrage. Going off half cocked with a pittance of support would either get you killed or incarcerated.

By holding my tongue, putting away from me violent and inflammatory language I hope to bide my time, remain "free" from confinement and lull my enemies into a state of complacency while I build around me a mass so voluminous that the "peace keepers" lay down their weapons and flee in terror.

Would be a waste to go out and buy bullets and guns to only be gunned down in a "blaze of glory" in your living room and be reported by the MSM as "a lone crazed gun man killed by police when he fired, unprovoked, upon officers in the execution of their duties."

In the end you lose, heck we all lose if just one of our numbers is taken in vain.

I myself will live, for now, to fight another day by any means necessary even if it be, God forbid, by watering "The Tree". Let the grass roots run it's course. It hasn't had time to fully come into it's own and realize it's full potential. When we rush to violence and blood shed we are then no better than those who have already done the same.

Peace

 

[torchbearer]

I agree with what you are saying.