Adam Kokesh endorses McAfee for Libertarian nomination

[r3volution 3.0]

I was critical of Rand at that point too. And looking back on it, I think that was Rand undermining himself. During that time, he was trying desperately to cozy up to Republicans who would have never voted for Ron, by trying to make them believe he was as far from Ron on positions as a son could be....but in doing so, he was rolling the dice that his Dad's supporters either wouldn't notice this, or that we wouldn't matter that much, since he would/should gain more voters than he would lose. Unfortunately for Rand, the whole strategy backfired. He lost a lot of Ron's supporters, and never did pick up enough from the mainstream GOP voting bloc to make as good of a showing in the 2016 primaries as Ron did in 2012. (Don't take this to mean I don't like Rand... I don't and never did like that strategy. Whoever advised him to do that should be fired from future campaigns IMHO.)

Rand was at or near the top of the polls until late 2015, well after he started moderating his message to draw in new supporters.

The strategy was working up until Muslim/Mexican hysteria gripped the country.

 

[eleganz]

LOL Kokesh? Who cares. Does that guy still even matter to anybody?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

LOL Kokesh? Who cares. Does that guy still even matter to anybody?

...to the same people who still don't understand the Romney endorsement, I'd guess.

 

[younglibertarian]

LOL Kokesh? Who cares. Does that guy still even matter to anybody?

He is an activist who is for us, not against.

 

[supermario21]

Basically what I think.

I like Rand but his "lukewarm" libertarian strategy was utter garbage.

I still think that in the end, it was worth trying. I think the we've now learned that the best strategy is to stick to the true message. Rand tried to do outreach to the mainstream, and Ron/Lew tried and failed to reach out to the populists, or as Murray Rothbard called it, the rednecks. Heck that 90s paleo flirtation might have actually been the strategy to try this election season.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

He is an activist who is for us, not against.

My us includes Rand.

We must belong to different uses.

 

[younglibertarian]

My us includes Rand.

We must belong to different uses.

I think both Rand and Adam fight for liberty in different ways.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

LOL Kokesh? Who cares. Does that guy still even matter to anybody?

...to the same people who still don't understand the Romney endorsement, I'd guess.

Yep, I still feel endorsing Romney was wrong and I prefer people who don't back down from their principles. Kokesh > Rand.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I think both Rand and Adam fight for liberty in different ways.

This.

 

[LibertyExtremist]

Not to get too far off topic, but how amazing is it that the Gary Johnson folks were some of the loudest Rand critics because Rand wasn't "pure" enough and not really libertarian. Yet, Johnson wants to force businesses to provide services to people against their will, has waffled on the 2nd Amendment, believes government may need to get involved in equal pay, wants a guy for VP who supported assaults against the 2nd Amendment and who endorsed Obama (2008) and Romney (2012), and loves the United Nations. When I or anybody else bring up these issues, they now say that we can't afford to be purists and must compromise!

 

[phill4paul]

Not to get too far off topic, but how amazing is it that the Gary Johnson folks were some of the loudest Rand critics because Rand wasn't "pure" enough and not really libertarian. Yet, Johnson wants to force businesses to provide services to people against their will, has waffled on the 2nd Amendment, believes government may need to get involved in equal pay, wants a guy for VP who supported assaults against the 2nd Amendment and who endorsed Obama (2008) and Romney (2012), and loves the United Nations. When I or anybody else bring up these issues, they now say that we can't afford to be purists and must compromise!

So who are these Johnson supporters you speak of?

 

[eleganz]

Yep, I still feel endorsing Romney was wrong and I prefer people who don't back down from their principles. Kokesh > Rand.

So you'll be the first to put up money and hard work for Kokesh 2020, right? Right?

 

[eleganz]

I still think that in the end, it was worth trying. I think the we've now learned that the best strategy is to stick to the true message. Rand tried to do outreach to the mainstream, and Ron/Lew tried and failed to reach out to the populists, or as Murray Rothbard called it, the rednecks. Heck that 90s paleo flirtation might have actually been the strategy to try this election season.

Not really, Trump has not stuck to any true message (in fact blatantly pandering in a polarized fashion to different crowds) and that was met with extreme success.

 

[eleganz]

When Rand Paul threw his father under a bus and endorsed Romney, that was stupid.
When Rand Paul decided to throw away his fathers base that voted for the man that would stand by his principles, and instead pandered to the middle, that was stupid.

I donated money to Ron, I stood in the rain at my polling location with my 5' hand made sign for 8 hours for Ron.

I wouldn't even give rand the time of day, let alone money or my time, he acts like your typical washington pandering piece of $#@!..

Jesus Christ.

There comes a time when you have to look at the numbers and throw in the towel. No matter how "hardcore conservative" Cruz was, he threw in the towel against Trump and he had an even better case to keep going to the nomination. Ron eventually suspended the 2012 campaign and they cut funding to delegates still trying to win the conventions and all campaign operations went independent. Why aren't you saying that Ron threw the liberty movement under the bus by suspending the campaign? Of course you won't say that for Ron but you'll say it for Rand because he isn't "pure". Give me a fucking break with the melodramatic purist bullshit.

 

[eleganz]

Him attacking Rand makes him more credible in my opinion.

Is it credible for Kokesh, a self-described anarcho-capitalist to endorse presidential politics by the way of McAfee?

So you previously claimed that;
Rand Paul had a lukewarm libertarian message that supposedly turns some libertarians off but he isn't cool.

But...Kokesh has an extreme libertarian message that turns an equal or greater amount of libertarians off than Rand but he is cool, in fact you think he is super cool.

For the same reason you think Rand sucks, it is also the same reason why Kokesh is cool.

How does your logic make any sense? No really, please explain I'd love to hear it? Is it the beard? Its the beard, right?

 

[younglibertarian]

Is it credible for Kokesh, a self-described anarcho-capitalist to endorse presidential politics by the way of McAfee?

So you previously claimed that;
Rand Paul had a lukewarm libertarian message that supposedly turns some libertarians off but he isn't cool.

But...Kokesh has an extreme libertarian message that turns an equal or greater amount of libertarians off than Rand but he is cool, in fact you think he is super cool.

For the same reason you think Rand sucks, it is also the same reason why Kokesh is cool.

How does your logic make any sense? No really, please explain I'd love to hear it? Is it the beard? Its the beard, right?

I don't think he "sucks." I'm just fine with Kokesh saying that he really didn't stick to his principles 100% of the time.

 

[LibertyExtremist]

So who are these Johnson supporters you speak of?

I'm talking about the LP Johnson supporters on social media, certainly not anybody here.

 

[65fastback2+2]

In otherwords compared to the R&D offerings he has a stellar reputation...

lol, excellent way of putting it